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Deeko

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Except they don't say "you can't do this without an iPhone." They highlight three very distinct products in the 'App Store', 'iPod', and 'iBooks'. And guess what you actually can't use any of those on Android, can you? No. Lie not found.

so you don't have your favorite books in your pocket

Frankly, this one is not even misleading. It is an outright lie. It is false advertising. Why beat around the bush? You can make a case for, say, the app store one - but this one is false. Period.

Seriously - why are you arguing this? Its undeniable. You fanboys are a funny bunch.
 

zerocool84

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Frankly, this one is not even misleading. It is an outright lie. It is false advertising. Why beat around the bush? You can make a case for, say, the app store one - but this one is false. Period.

Seriously - why are you arguing this? Its undeniable. You fanboys are a funny bunch.

and you guys are being just as bad. It's advertising.
 

runawayprisoner

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Curious, how large of a PDF? I've got a few D&D manuals in PDF format. My Witstech tablet hasn't had any problems displaying, believe I was using QuickOffice. These were ~40-50MB in size.

Large in resolution, not in size.

Yours is just image-heavy, I assume. i was talking about really large PDFs that require a lot of panning. Most apps crash on Android. Adobe Reader works, but the panning and scrolling is so slow that it takes forever to read a fineprint in a super high resolution graph.
 

Bateluer

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Large in resolution, not in size.

Yours is just image-heavy, I assume. i was talking about really large PDFs that require a lot of panning. Most apps crash on Android. Adobe Reader works, but the panning and scrolling is so slow that it takes forever to read a fineprint in a super high resolution graph.

Haven't tested any super high resolution PDFs on my MID or phone. I've brought up extremely large architectural designs on my home PC, and Reader will struggle with them. Far as I know, its rendering them right, just very slowly.
 

Deeko

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and you guys are being just as bad. It's advertising.

Its misleading, or even false advertising, which is both unethical and illegal. Unlike the many fanboys of this forum, I'd say the same if a product I liked had similar.
 

theeedude

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iBook one is outright lie.
App store one, they are showing them running a Delta app also available on Android.
So basically yeah, if you don't have an iPhone, you don't have an iPhone, you have something else that does the same things, plus maybe even more.
 

Puddle Jumper

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Considering iBooks also doubles as an excellent PDF viewer, which, if I may add, is SEVERELY lacking in Android (nothing in Android renders really large PDF files right, even Adobe's own reader), I think the remark is fair.

Quickoffice has flawlessly handled every pdf I have thrown at it, it's considerably better than Adobe Reader which does suck if you actually need to zoom in or pan.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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Do Android phones have something like iTunes on it? Where you can download legitimately music, movies, and tv shows?
 

QueBert

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All Apple needs to do is have a commercial with an iPhone on the right using the App Store. and an Android phone on the left using Google Marketplace. It's shocking how piss poor the Marketplace is after what, almost 2 years? And that commercial would be 100% factual. I dunno why they gotta show all this shit that's iffy. Or they could show an Android phone syncing music with Doubletwist, which makes iTunes look like the greatest program ever written.
 

akugami

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That Android Police article sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me by an Android fanboy. The article is here to call Apple out on the falsehoods contained in its new ads. The funny part is the article does little to prove how Apple is making false claims.

If you don’t have an iPhone, you don’t have the App Store. So you don’t have the world’s largest selection of apps.

First, they agree Apple's app store has the largest selection of apps. In other words, Apple didn't lie. Then they'll point to Android's huge boost in available apps. But that's not what Apple was claiming. While Android has made massive gains in available apps it's not like iOS is standing still. Also, for all the crying about crapware on iOS you can't convince me at least 95% of those apps (150k+ since last Oct vs 115k+ on iOS) aren't crap either. That's just the nature of the beast.

I'm not saying Android won't surpass iOS in terms of numbers of apps at some point but at this point in time when the commercials were released, Apple made a factual claim. So their claim is Apple made a false claim by making a factual claim? Okay...

… [apps] that are this easy to find and this easy to download right to your phone.

… so [your iPhone] can be almost anything, like a boarding pass…

… or do almost anything – like pay for your coffee.

Again, it isn't about whether it is easy or hard on competitor's phones. It isn't even about whether the other phones can do it. You'll notice all Apple is saying is that it's dead easy to do it on an Apple iPhone and that they have apps that allow such and such functionality. This again is a factual claim. Nowhere did Apple claim other phones can't do it. They don't mention other phones at all. So once again, they proved Apple lied by saying other phones can do it. Something Apple never said.

If you don’t have an iPhone, you don’t have iBooks.

… and you don’t have the iBookstore – an entire bookstore in your pocket.

But the statement is still true and Android still does not have iBooks nor the iBookstore. Again, not a lie. There are more than one app that provides equal, and in the case of Amazon better, functionality. But what Apple claimed is not a lie.

… so you don’t have your favorite books in your pocket.

Here we get into a lie, the first and only one actually mentioned. There are other bookstores, most notably the Amazon bookstore, and you can have good old paperbacks in your pocket. I'll give them this one.

If you don’t have an iPhone, you don’t have an iPod in your phone.

Android Police's claim was that Apple is being false by saying that Android can play MP3's. But you still don't have an iPod in any other phone except an iPhone. Apple's statement is still true no matter how many audio player software has been written for Android.

… with your music, and your playlists
(yes, the word "your" is accentuated by the voice-over actor reading the commercial).

This is merely a statement. Android Police is reading too much into it. This statement isn't one of those black and white either it's true or it isn't type statements. I'd say misleading at best, but not a lie. Let's all remember this is an ad involving marketing which, regardless of company, is always full of misleading statements.

… and you don’t have iTunes on your phone – the world’s number one music store.

Again. Factual statement. The iTunes store is the largest music store. Android Police's bringing in DRM and other factors doesn't change the fact that iTunes is the largest music store. And they neglect to mention DRM has always been at the behest of the music industry. That was the only way Apple was able to obtain digital distribution rights. Nor does it mention Jobs' open letter denouncing DRM on music. Granted Apple hasn't been eager to promote interoperability by licensing their Fairplay DRM. Still doesn't change the fact Apple made a factual claim.


So we have a grand total of one lie. The rest are either outright true and only a couple are ambiguous enough that it can be true or it can be false. Wow Android Police, you sure debunked those two Apple ads. As others have noted, Apple has made much worse claims in ads before. I think we can all agree that when Apple makes an ad, there is going to be a few spikes in the BS meter but these two are pretty tame.


And regarding growth of Android market, do I really have to take screenshots of... 20 pages in the Android Market showing the same widget but with slight variation in visuals to get the point across? I don't see growth. The top apps have always been there since... I was on my first Android phone a year and a half ago. It's littered with more garbage than I can find on the iPad searching for the same term.

To be fair, Apple has its shares of this as well.I don't know how rampant it is on iTunes or Android but I have seen it on some apps in the iTunes store.
Curious, how large of a PDF? I've got a few D&D manuals in PDF format. My Witstech tablet hasn't had any problems displaying, believe I was using QuickOffice. These were ~40-50MB in size.

I'd be willing to try loading them if you want to send them my way for testing purposes. I have iBooks downloaded but I don't use it. I also have Quickoffice on my iPhone.
 
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Mopetar

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What's up with people getting so bent out of shape over commercials, and not even particularly good commercials at that?

Of course it's going to embellish; it's advertising, that's what it's there for. If advertisers gave you the straight dope no one would ever buy anything in an ad, thus defeating the entire purpose. Watching people argue about honesty in advertising is as sad as (and at least twice as depraved as) watching a loop of Old Yeller dying.
 

cheezy321

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The only legit lie in the whole commercial is the 'so you cant have your favorite books on your phone'.

End of story. The rest is what most people like to call marketing.
 

theeedude

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The only legit lie in the whole commercial is the 'so you cant have your favorite books on your phone'.

End of story. The rest is what most people like to call marketing.

Yeah, but even the parts that are not outright lies are pretty weak. At least they should have used an app that's not available for Android.
These ads are targeted at Android users, but an Android user is going to know that they have the features that Apple claims they don't, and will just dismiss those ads.
 

TheStu

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Yeah, but even the parts that are not outright lies are pretty weak. At least they should have used an app that's not available for Android.
These ads are targeted at Android users, but an Android user is going to know that they have the features that Apple claims they don't, and will just dismiss those ads.

I disagree, I think that the ads are targeted at people that are going into stores and are being told by sales-people that this Android/WebOS/Blackberry/WinMoPho device over here, that costs only $99 (or less) to the iPhone's $199 is just as good. To which Apple is responding, 'Yes, but you came into the store for an iPhone, don't you think that you should get the real iPhone?'

That is my take. The commercial isn't for anyone that actually knows anything. It is for the people that have heard about the iPhone, thought that it sounded pretty wicked sweet, wanted one, but then were stopped at the store because some kid would get better SPIFFs off of some other device.
 

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They should have showed the demo asking the guy to login and agree to new app store TOS when he started installing, and then showed his install disappear and taking him back to the app store after he agreed to TOS so that he could tell it to install again.
 

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They should have showed the demo asking the guy to login and agree to new app store TOS when he started installing, and then showed his install disappear and taking him back to the app store after he agreed to TOS so that he could tell it to install again.

Or maybe they should've shown someone going to the "new" section of the Android app store, and trying to find even one app that wasn't an ad-infested piece of garbage. Or even trying to find one whose description was written in clear English.
 

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I was really offended by this Burger King ad I heard the other day, saying I could have it "My way, right away." Okay, strictly speaking this might not be a lie, but it was extremely misleading. They are OBVIOUSLY implying that I can't have it my way at any other restaurant. Funny, I went to McDonald's and ordered a cheeseburger with no pickles, and they happily obliged.

And "home of the Whopper"? What a load of bullshit. I can get a burger with lettuce, mayo, onions, and tomatoes anywhere. I mean sure they technically aren't Whoppers, but it's essentially the same thing.

I've filed a complaint with the FTC. I'm still waiting for a response.
 

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i'll give apple on one of the points, there is no official starbucks android app as far as i can tell. not that i care
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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What legit ways do you get music, movies, tv shows on your devices? I'm looking at an iTunes comparison.
 

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What legit ways do you get music, movies, tv shows on your devices? I'm looking at an iTunes comparison.

Ctrl+C then Ctrl+V? I don't need some application to manage my media for me. If you actually want to buy music from your device I'm fairly sure you can use Amazon's android app to do it.
 

AstroManLuca

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The only legit lie in the whole commercial is the 'so you cant have your favorite books on your phone'.

End of story. The rest is what most people like to call marketing.

It reminds me of all those ads (and they are EVERYWHERE) where a company advertises their product or service, ONLY AVAILABLE from that company.

"Sprint Football Live(tm), only from Sprint(tm)."
"Xfinity(tm), only from Comcast(tm)."

It implies that there are no comparable services from other companies, but of course all it is really saying is that they have trademarked a product name and they are the only company that can sell that trademarked product.

I liked it when I saw a Toyota ad and it said they had "ToyotaCare" and that they were "the only company to offer anything like it." I don't even know how true that is but at least they didn't state the obvious and say that Toyota is the only company to offer ToyotaCare (what, did you think Ford would offer ToyotaCare as well?).
 

DivideBYZero

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It's simple Marketing. It plays with semantics quite well, however and that can be misunderstood by buyers to mean that nothing has anything like the iPhone in terms of function, and this is why people may get uppity about it. However, saying that no other phone has iPod, App Store, iBooks et al is 100&#37; true, just as iPhone doesn't have Android Market, Google Navigation, etc. They just leave those points out to suit their message, which they are entitled to do.

AKA, get over it.
 
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