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Originally posted by: Gibson486
16yo and 25K on a car.

.........my thougts exactly
.........

dont start this argument again like when i asked a while ago. its not bad, it should be good. i just dropped in this thread because i would also like to know about VW's reliability. ive heard great and horrible, whats the REAL scoop on it? no bias!

btw raiseup, if you like the golf and have 20k to spend. why not pick up a gti vr6? 🙂. or an rsx for that matter 🙂.
 
Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Then whats a good car for a 16 yr old around 20-25k ? Used or new. From Carmax.com thats all that matters.

nissan altima V6. your parents should have cash left over!

i test drove a golf GLS and i was really impressed with the interior quality and it was quiet. engine didn't have juice though. 2.0L
 
Originally posted by: Gibson486
16yo and 25K on a car.

.........my thougts exactly
.........

ditto... just take the money, buy a cheap cheap cheap Ford / GM POS and learn to drive first before you invest in a newish car that you are almost certain to dent, scratch or abuse. I am glad that i bought and an old Ford POS to start driving on. If the market works out I can get enough out of my shares to buy a more newish car in about half a year.
 
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Something Audi/VW I am looking for.

why audi/vw ?

these cars have electrical problems through the roof.

:|

Don't get me started again.

started on what ?
it's a know fact that VW/Audi suffer from electrical problems.

You can't handle that fact can you ?

If you were talking about older VW's (< 1997) , i'd agree with you.

He's buying a *NEW* VW, which are not bothered by the electrical problems of the past. Kthxbye, dipshit.

rofl talk about dipshit.
new doesn't mean it's not plagued. They're on the bottom for a reason dumbass

You seem to think electrical problems = burnt out taillights. I have news for you, all cars burn out lights and or fuses. You seem to know alot about VW's considering you've never owned one.

Take your thread crapping somewhere else.

Can't you handle the fact that he's not considering a Japanese import?
rolleye.gif

 
My Passat is super reliable. The new Jettas and Golfs aren't as reliable. The older cars are quite good, but they have their quirks.
 
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Something Audi/VW I am looking for.

why audi/vw ?

these cars have electrical problems through the roof.

:|

Don't get me started again.

started on what ?
it's a know fact that VW/Audi suffer from electrical problems.

You can't handle that fact can you ?

If you were talking about older VW's (< 1997) , i'd agree with you.

He's buying a *NEW* VW, which are not bothered by the electrical problems of the past. Kthxbye, dipshit.

rofl talk about dipshit.
new doesn't mean it's not plagued. They're on the bottom for a reason dumbass

You seem to think electrical problems = burnt out taillights. I have news for you, all cars burn out lights and or fuses. You seem to know alot about VW's considering you've never owned one.

Take your thread crapping somewhere else.

Can't you handle the fact that he's not considering a Japanese import?
rolleye.gif

Rofl who said I'm just mentioning burnt out taillights ? Enough people have been reporting electrical problems on the cars that it's a widely known fact.

I wouldn't purchase a VW even if I had the money to spare. Why would I risk getting a car plagued with problems when I can purchase something that has a good reliability reputation, backed with proof ?
I could care less what he purchases. I'm just letting him know that VW and Audi's have a known electrical problem, whether it be the gauge clusters or whatever else electrical it may be.

You're the one that has a problem about people telling how a VW is and their previous reputation.
Read up on other owners reviews.

Just because you got one that isn't plagued with problem doesn't mean many other people who bought one aren't getting the shaft.



Can we say Pwn'd ?


Published Wednesday, July 9, 2003

American Cars Show Gains in a Survey of Dependability

By DANNY HAKIM

DETROIT, July 8 ?Mercedes-Benz has fallen behind its sister brand Chrysler in a closely watched report on vehicle dependability, while General Motors has surged. And Japanese vehicles continue, over all, to hold up the best.

The report, issued today by J. D. Power & Associates, focuses on problems that arise over three years of ownership. Its rankings are important because most consumers say a vehicle's reputation for long-term durability is their top consideration in buying.

Lexus, Toyota's luxury brand, had the fewest reported problems in the report, which was based on responses from 55,000 owners of 2000 model vehicles. Owners were asked about 147 potential problems. The most common complaint over all was wind noise, followed by noisy brakes and uneven tire wear.

According to the report, Lexus owners reported 163 problems per 100 vehicles, versus the industry average of 273. Infiniti, Nissan's luxury brand, came in second, with 174 problems. The Buick brand of G.M. was third, with 179 problems.

The most surprising results involved DaimlerChrysler. Since Daimler-Benz bought Chrysler in 1998, auto experts have often asked whether the manufacturer of the Mercedes could bring respectability to a struggling American icon.

But in the J. D. Power report, both the Chrysler and Dodge brands outperformed Mercedes-Benz, which in turn only narrowly edged out Chrysler's Jeep brand. Mercedes averaged 318 problems per 100 vehicles, versus 295 for all the Chrysler Group brands.

While automakers are not far apart in initial quality ?which spans the first three months of a vehicle's life ?the report shows that there are still wide gaps in performance over longer periods. Automakers covet even small gains in the J. D. Power report, knowing that it takes years of sustained results, either good or bad, to change the perceptions of buyers broadly. And customers will pay more for both new and used cars with fewer problems.

"Some vehicles age gracefully," said Joe Ivers, a partner at J. D. Power, "and others get disproportionate problems."

Most of G.M.'s major brands scored better than the industry average, including Cadillac, Chevrolet, Saturn and GMC. Pontiac, with 293 problems per 100 vehicles, was below average. So was Oldsmobile, which is being discontinued.

"The world turned upside down," said David Healy, an analyst at Burnham Securities, describing both Mercedes's decline and G.M.'s rise.

The report was particularly well timed for G.M., which recently began a major advertising campaign ?with the slogan "Road to Redemption" ?that claims its vehicles' quality is improving and asks consumers for a second chance. It was the only one of the Big Three to rank better than the industry average.

"This is consistent with the message we've had out there," said Pat Morrissey, a spokesman for G.M. "The quality initiatives we have had in place over the last three years are starting to pay off."

Still, Mr. Healy said G.M. had miles to go. "G.M. has the problem of making some of their alienated ex-customers, like me, actually go into a showroom," he said.

Japanese automakers continue to lead in durability, with 228 problems per 100 cars for the average Japanese brand, 282 for the average Big Three brand, 331 for European brands and 406 for Korean brands.

Not all European automakers fared poorly. Porsche was among the industry's best, and BMW and the Jaguar division of Ford were better than average, as was G.M.'s Saab division.

But Volkswagen and its Audi division continued to have quality problems: Volkswagen was among the five worst brands in the industry, among 37 ranked. Ford's Volvo and Land Rover divisions also performed below average, with Land Rover ranking behind the beleaguered Daewoo brand and better only than Kia, made by the Korean automaker Hyundai. According to the study, Kia made the two least durable vehicles: the Sportage sport utility and the Sephia sedan, which has been discontinued.

At Mercedes-Benz, the report said, the most troublesome vehicles were the M-Class sport utility and the E-Class, one of its highest-volume sedans, which starts just under $50,000 and can cost considerably more.

The E-Class showed the highest rate of deterioration over three years among all vehicles, with 215 percent more problems after three years than owners reported after three months. The most common reported problems were excessive brake dust, which can be a result of worn brake pads; malfunctioning side windows; and uneven tire wear.

Donna Boland, a spokeswoman for Mercedes, dismissed the comparison to Chrysler's performance. "If we're coming in below industry average, we're troubled," she said. "But this is one measurement, and our feeling is that quality is a more holistic thing that takes into account how owners feel at the end of the ownership experience. Do they stay with the brand or walk away?"

She said that Mercedes had one of the highest customer loyalty rates in the industry and added that many of the problem areas identified by owners had been fixed in later models.

Analysts said it would take a prolonged slide in results to damage Mercedes's sales or image. "I don't see it as a meaningful indicator for projecting sales," said Susan Jacobs, president of Jacobs & Associates, a New Jersey firm that tracks luxury cars. "The real indicator is what customer care and corrective actions Mercedes has already taken."

"Your brand cachet would begin to suffer if you maintained a position below average over an extended life cycle of products, five to eight years," she added.

Ronald A. Tadross, auto analyst at Banc of America Securities, said warranty costs were a more pertinent indicator of vehicle dependability than survey data. "I would argue it's hard to derive a conclusion from a survey, because you don't know what the consumer is thinking," he said. "It begs the question: what is vehicle dependability? Is it warranty costs or the nuances of wind noise?"

In the past, J. D. Power surveyed owners after they drove a vehicle for four and five years. The firm switched to examining vehicles after three years so that automakers ?its clients ?could better use the information as they developed future models. The typical car or truck is on the road five years, but plans for a major redesign are typically under way three years into a vehicle's life.

 
I'm currently in the process of buying a 95 GTi vr6 with 130 on the clock for 4500. I'm gonna be really happy the day I get to drive it away (if i get it).

Anyhow, my research just cuz of looking into this car has made me even more of a Vdub fan than I was before. I've seen 2 possible looks for the MkV, 1 with the black plastic sh!t in the front and 1 that was all body colored with nice front fascia. The 2nd one looked doooope.


I'm suprised you haven't been flamed a lot yet. But seriously bro, I wouldn't spend 25k on a car for a 16 year old, even if mommy and daddy were footing the bill. I'm 18 and it's gonna feel good to buy this car with every buck I have 🙂 If you want a VW I'd go for a 3 or so year old GTi with the vr6. Keep the rest of the money for a rainy day or if you wanna toss a blower on the car or something 🙂
 
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Something Audi/VW I am looking for.

why audi/vw ?

these cars have electrical problems through the roof.

:|

Don't get me started again.

started on what ?
it's a know fact that VW/Audi suffer from electrical problems.

You can't handle that fact can you ?

If you were talking about older VW's (< 1997) , i'd agree with you.

He's buying a *NEW* VW, which are not bothered by the electrical problems of the past. Kthxbye, dipshit.

rofl talk about dipshit.
new doesn't mean it's not plagued. They're on the bottom for a reason dumbass

You seem to think electrical problems = burnt out taillights. I have news for you, all cars burn out lights and or fuses. You seem to know alot about VW's considering you've never owned one.

Take your thread crapping somewhere else.

Can't you handle the fact that he's not considering a Japanese import?
rolleye.gif

Rofl who said I'm just mentioning burnt out taillights ? Enough people have been reporting electrical problems on the cars that it's a widely known fact.

I wouldn't purchase a VW even if I had the money to spare. Why would I risk getting a car plagued with problems when I can purchase something that has a good reliability reputation, backed with proof ?
I could care less what he purchases. I'm just letting him know that VW and Audi's have a known electrical problem, whether it be the gauge clusters or whatever else electrical it may be.

You're the one that has a problem about people telling how a VW is and their previous reputation.
Read up on other owners reviews.

Just because you got one that isn't plagued with problem doesn't mean many other people who bought one aren't getting the shaft.

two lifers going at it. :Q who will win>!
 
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Every car company has their fair share of problems. Buy new, or buy used and get a warranty.

Yes you're right, every car company has problems, but VW/Audi's problems exceed those fair share. They don't rank amonst the bottom feeders for nothing 😉
 
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