Anyone on here a small business owner?

Cuda1447

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So I'm curious how many business owners we have here. I'm not talking about people who were born into a business that their family has owned. I'm talking about people who started a business from scratch that they have built to be successful.


Whose got one and what type of business is it? Also, if you want to provide the details I'd be very curious as to what type of start up costs you were looking at and how you raised that kind of money.




<---- future business owner, hopefully.....
 

pstylesss

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I own a computer consulting company. I setup networks and websites for small businesses. I wouldn't say I'm very successful, but I've never operated in debt and have regular clients. I do this on top of my full time job. My side jobs got to a point where I couldn't do it under the table anymore.
 

Fern

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CPA, and own a small accounting firm. Mostly taxes and consulting (no financial audits).

Fern
 

Cuda1447

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Hmm, I guess I'm probably more concerned about retail or service based establishments. Problem is a lot of my ideas that have run through my head require fairly significant start-up costs. I'll have to pick up a few books and do some reading. I was just hoping for some insight from the wonderful ATOT.
 

AlienCraft

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< Former Electrical / Systems Integration Company owner
< Current Small Parcel Delivery And Logistics Support Company owner

Start up costs?
Are you a single owner, simple business, or a corporation?
The delivery company is going to incorporate before I buy my next piece of property.
Business Lic. vary , check your local regulating agency.

Insurance costs depend.
Getting commercial insurance on a vehicle used in delivery is an enlightening experience when you're used to sub one thousand dollar rates, :shocked:

Equipment? Depends... was going to get a truck and get one of my main clients to pay me for their logo on the thing, but they screwed that program.
So It's all about the mileage.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
There's more money to be made as a B2B then a B2C.

Care to elaborate on what type of B2B's you'd be talking about? Some sort of office supplies type of business?
 

oynaz

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I own a small wine import company.

Tell us of your ideas, and let's see what we can work out.
 

Cuda1447

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Well I've had a LOT of ideas over the years. I always seem to find flaws in every one of them, but sure I'm game. I like being battered and beaten by the greats of ATOT.

First of we've all heard time and again that you should do something you enjoy. I (like most guys) love sports. I've always been around sports. I ref'd high school soccer games for a bit just out of enjoyment. I like being around sports etc...


Anyways, an idea that I thought had a lot of potential is a driving range. I'll briefly explain my vision...


Florida, good weather. I live near Tampa, lots of golfers around here. I have a few good areas in mind where there doesn't appear to be much competition whilst having a quickly growing population. In addition to the driving range I'd love to have a batting cage, a small sandwich shop (golf themed) and maybe even a mini-golf course. Maintenance for driving range/batting cages is low. Starting off its something I could run on my own, for the most part. I'd absolutely love to be around golf all day long. I have quite a few marketing ideas in mind, but thats not that important initially.

In terms of risks I figured this was a good idea. If I happened to not be successful, the land I purchased for this driving range would hold its value, if not go up. (Assuming the economy does pick up eventually). Sure I'd be out the time and equipment costs, but for something like that it wouldn't be insanely expensive. Failure is toward the back of my mind though. I realize its a possibility, but I like to think of myself as a determined individual with a knack for people and the ability to make sound business decisions (I realize I have a lot to learn though).

Ya, thats my idea in a nutshell. Big problems the. The biggest of which is the cost of land. For just a driving range I'd probably need a minimum of 6 acres, closer to 10 to really fit what I envision. Costs of something like that around here, probably around $500k minimum. Better areas will probably drive that cost WAAAY up.

Once I started researching and realizing how much it would cost I thought to my self "well, fuck that". How would I get that kind of money? SBA's site says they typically require 20-40% of the business cost to be financed by you. I guess they don't want to give me 500k if I don't have any of my own money at stake, makes sense. So what other options do you really have? You could build a business model and then pitch your idea to investors, but I don't know how realistic that is. Like I said, Ive got some learning/reading to do. Which reminds me, if anyone has any good business books to recommend - feel free.


So, I pretty much abandon that idea, even though it would be a dream come true. But I still want to do something... just what? I've got about a year to figure that out, running out of time.
 

Heller

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well I've had a LOT of ideas over the years. I always seem to find flaws in every one of them, but sure I'm game. I like being battered and beaten by the greats of ATOT.

First of we've all heard time and again that you should do something you enjoy. I (like most guys) love sports. I've always been around sports. I ref'd high school soccer games for a bit just out of enjoyment. I like being around sports etc...


Anyways, an idea that I thought had a lot of potential is a driving range. I'll briefly explain my vision...


Florida, good weather. I live near Tampa, lots of golfers around here. I have a few good areas in mind where there doesn't appear to be much competition whilst having a quickly growing population. In addition to the driving range I'd love to have a batting cage, a small sandwich shop (golf themed) and maybe even a mini-golf course. Maintenance for driving range/batting cages is low. Starting off its something I could run on my own, for the most part. I'd absolutely love to be around golf all day long. I have quite a few marketing ideas in mind, but thats not that important initially.

In terms of risks I figured this was a good idea. If I happened to not be successful, the land I purchased for this driving range would hold its value, if not go up. (Assuming the economy does pick up eventually). Sure I'd be out the time and equipment costs, but for something like that it wouldn't be insanely expensive. Failure is toward the back of my mind though. I realize its a possibility, but I like to think of myself as a determined individual with a knack for people and the ability to make sound business decisions (I realize I have a lot to learn though).

Ya, thats my idea in a nutshell. Big problems the. The biggest of which is the cost of land. For just a driving range I'd probably need a minimum of 6 acres, closer to 10 to really fit what I envision. Costs of something like that around here, probably around $500k minimum. Better areas will probably drive that cost WAAAY up.

Once I started researching and realizing how much it would cost I thought to my self "well, fuck that". How would I get that kind of money? SBA's site says they typically require 20-40% of the business cost to be financed by you. I guess they don't want to give me 500k if I don't have any of my own money at stake, makes sense. So what other options do you really have? You could build a business model and then pitch your idea to investors, but I don't know how realistic that is. Like I said, Ive got some learning/reading to do. Which reminds me, if anyone has any good business books to recommend - feel free.


So, I pretty much abandon that idea, even though it would be a dream come true. But I still want to do something... just what? I've got about a year to figure that out, running out of time.

Lets become partners.
 

sniperruff

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im currently doing some research on coney island, and realize the importance of land zones... i don't know about florida, but here in NYC certain areas are designated for a specific purpose: residential, businesses, amusement, etc. while it's true that land can only become more expensive, i think a golf course will stay a golf course for years.
 

Descartes

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I'm a small-business owner and have been for about 6 years now. I started out as an S-Corp and partnered with another company that was an LLC. I'm now in that same partnership with about 12 employees. At our highest point, we had about 25 employees. Our revenue is impressive, but our expenses are high due to the cost of resources.

We are a consulting company. We specialize in business process, software architecture and implementation (that's a bit of a simplification, but no sense in boring anyone with the details). We also have a few products that we market to our clients, but typically the majority of our income comes from services. Our primary industries are manufacturing, finance, healthcare and security. We've worked with some Big 4s, and many of the software companies that I'm sure most people would recognize.

Most of our capital comes from investors we know or simply our own personal capital. We often allocate this capital into side ventures, so we will invest in ideas presented to us and then either stay on as investors or try to market it ourselves.

Not sure if that's helpful or not. If you have any specific questions about running a small-business, please let me know. If I were to pick the biggest issue to address, I'd say taxes. It's the bane of my professional existence.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: Descartes
I'm a small-business owner and have been for about 6 years now. I started out as an S-Corp and partnered with another company that was an LLC. I'm now in that same partnership with about 12 employees. At our highest point, we had about 25 employees. Our revenue is impressive, but our expenses are high due to the cost of resources.

We are a consulting company. We specialize in business process, software architecture and implementation (that's a bit of a simplification, but no sense in boring anyone with the details). We also have a few products that we market to our clients, but typically the majority of our income comes from services. Our primary industries are manufacturing, finance, healthcare and security. We've worked with some Big 4s, and many of the software companies that I'm sure most people would recognize.

Most of our capital comes from investors we know or simply our own personal capital. We often allocate this capital into side ventures, so we will invest in ideas presented to us and then either stay on as investors or try to market it ourselves.

Not sure if that's helpful or not. If you have any specific questions about running a small-business, please let me know. If I were to pick the biggest issue to address, I'd say taxes. It's the bane of my professional existence.

You should embrace the FairTax ;)

/P&N
 

Cuda1447

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Thx for the info descartes. I suspect most people here will be in computer related industry. Startup costs would most likely be relatively small compared to things I've been considering. I don't really have any high level of expertise in computers either, just your typical young male hobby experience. So that type of idea is out.
 

Greenman

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I own a small construction company, start up costs were almost nothing, and other than payroll and insurance, ongoing expenses are neglegable.
Most people around here wouldn't have anything to do with it because it requires that you be out of doors a lot, and sometimes even (gasp) get dirty.
 

Cuda1447

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I don't mind outdoor hardwork. In fact, I'd LOVE to work outdoors sometimes. It'd beat the hell out of sitting in a store all day selling shit to dumbass rednecks. I don't know much about construction though and I don't really have the knack for that type of work. Not to mention the market down here is saturated with that.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: Descartes
I'm a small-business owner and have been for about 6 years now. I started out as an S-Corp and partnered with another company that was an LLC. I'm now in that same partnership with about 12 employees. At our highest point, we had about 25 employees. Our revenue is impressive, but our expenses are high due to the cost of resources.

We are a consulting company. We specialize in business process, software architecture and implementation (that's a bit of a simplification, but no sense in boring anyone with the details). We also have a few products that we market to our clients, but typically the majority of our income comes from services. Our primary industries are manufacturing, finance, healthcare and security. We've worked with some Big 4s, and many of the software companies that I'm sure most people would recognize.

Most of our capital comes from investors we know or simply our own personal capital. We often allocate this capital into side ventures, so we will invest in ideas presented to us and then either stay on as investors or try to market it ourselves.

Not sure if that's helpful or not. If you have any specific questions about running a small-business, please let me know. If I were to pick the biggest issue to address, I'd say taxes. It's the bane of my professional existence.

You should embrace the FairTax ;)

/P&N

Or become non-profit and receive funding from the government.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
24 hr open driving range that serves beer...

You front the money for it, I'll run it and repay initial investment with interest. Plus you get free access to driving range and beer FOR LIFE!
 
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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
24 hr open driving range that serves beer...

You front the money for it, I'll run it and repay initial investment with interest. Plus you get free access to driving range and beer FOR LIFE!

sure.. Lets see how we can do this..

send me a PM. I am starting my own company, i am waiting for the S-Corp paperwork to show up. But at least i can get some ideas on getting a loan and doing it.

Seriously, 24 hr golf course with beer.. and perhaps food

I knew this place in sacramento that was open 24 hrs but no beer or food. We used to go after the bars closed for hitting a few balls. BUt if that place served food and beer we would have been happy to do that.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well I've had a LOT of ideas over the years. I always seem to find flaws in every one of them, but sure I'm game. I like being battered and beaten by the greats of ATOT.

First of we've all heard time and again that you should do something you enjoy. I (like most guys) love sports. I've always been around sports. I ref'd high school soccer games for a bit just out of enjoyment. I like being around sports etc...


Anyways, an idea that I thought had a lot of potential is a driving range. I'll briefly explain my vision...


Florida, good weather. I live near Tampa, lots of golfers around here. I have a few good areas in mind where there doesn't appear to be much competition whilst having a quickly growing population. In addition to the driving range I'd love to have a batting cage, a small sandwich shop (golf themed) and maybe even a mini-golf course. Maintenance for driving range/batting cages is low. Starting off its something I could run on my own, for the most part. I'd absolutely love to be around golf all day long. I have quite a few marketing ideas in mind, but thats not that important initially.

In terms of risks I figured this was a good idea. If I happened to not be successful, the land I purchased for this driving range would hold its value, if not go up. (Assuming the economy does pick up eventually). Sure I'd be out the time and equipment costs, but for something like that it wouldn't be insanely expensive. Failure is toward the back of my mind though. I realize its a possibility, but I like to think of myself as a determined individual with a knack for people and the ability to make sound business decisions (I realize I have a lot to learn though).

Ya, thats my idea in a nutshell. Big problems the. The biggest of which is the cost of land. For just a driving range I'd probably need a minimum of 6 acres, closer to 10 to really fit what I envision. Costs of something like that around here, probably around $500k minimum. Better areas will probably drive that cost WAAAY up.

Once I started researching and realizing how much it would cost I thought to my self "well, fuck that". How would I get that kind of money? SBA's site says they typically require 20-40% of the business cost to be financed by you. I guess they don't want to give me 500k if I don't have any of my own money at stake, makes sense. So what other options do you really have? You could build a business model and then pitch your idea to investors, but I don't know how realistic that is. Like I said, Ive got some learning/reading to do. Which reminds me, if anyone has any good business books to recommend - feel free.


So, I pretty much abandon that idea, even though it would be a dream come true. But I still want to do something... just what? I've got about a year to figure that out, running out of time.

As I noted above I'm a CPA, A lot of the consulting-type work I do involves helping start a business etc.

The most likley solution to your capital problem (the most common problem for new businesses) is to arrange the land acquisition as a lease with an option to purchase.

That way you don't need to tie up a bunch of capital right away with the land acquisition. You may be able to arrange it so that upon excercising the option to purchase, your lease payments will credited towards the purchase. If you do buy the land, you'll want to hold it either personally or in an LLC apart from the company/entity established to hold to driving range etc. This will provide you some tax and other benefits benefit. E.g., suppose someone is injured (hit in the head by another's golf club), if you are successfully sued you may lose the range, but not the land ;)

I cannot emphasize how important it is to establish any new business with the lowest posiible capital burden. High monthly mortgage payment with an unknown revenue stream is highly undesirable. If, for whatever reason, the business doen't work out walking away from a lease (or assigning the lease to another) is much easier than walking away from a mortgage.

Don't just think you could flip the land. maybe you could, but many buyers will be aware of your plight even if you do not tell them. They will know that they can either negotiate directly with your bank, or purchase in forclosure cutting you out of the deal. It's a tough world, and "justice" from the courts is almost exclusively a luxury enjoyed by the "big players".

You may wish to start out with limited operations, then later expand out to the sandwich shop etc. It'll help keep your upfront captial investment minimized and allow you the ability to learn how to run a business with fewer complications.

Most people do not realize all the "roles" they are responsible for in starting a new business. You are: CEO, CFO, in charge of HR, IT, advertising, legal and accounting. You are the secretary and bookkeeper and must maintain all the files etc. Learning how to deal with all these responsibilities and day-to-day tasks when you are also sweating the cash flow can be difficult.

Your starting point is to create a budget of capital costs/investment required to get you to "Day 1" of operations.

Your next step is to, month by month, forcast operations etc for the 1st year. Then carry this out to year 3.

Do not forcast big sales only to find yourself short of capital/money in the first 3 - 5 years.

You must also budget for your personal needs (food, utlity rent/mortgage, health auto etc.)

The SBA (retired execs) will usually help you for free in compiling much of this info.

Only after you have this info can/should you proceed. You'll know if it's do-able, and how much money you need for start-up. Once you know how much, then you can work on how to get it.

There are many more issues, but that should suffice for now. The above generally applies to any business you may ultimately wish to start.

Fern
 

Mr Pickles

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Florida, good weather. I live near Tampa, lots of golfers around here. I have a few good areas in mind where there doesn't appear to be much competition whilst having a quickly growing population. In addition to the driving range I'd love to have a batting cage, a small sandwich shop (golf themed) and maybe even a mini-golf course. Maintenance for driving range/batting cages is low. Starting off its something I could run on my own, for the most part. I'd absolutely love to be around golf all day long. I have quite a few marketing ideas in mind, but thats not that important initially.

So... Missing Links on East Bay in Pinellas?
 

Cuda1447

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Great info Fern, things I had not thought about yet. Any other advice you have is awesome, or better yet resources you could point me towards so I could do some reading would be great. I do have one question, something i think I know the answer to but am going to ask anyone.

Judging from your response to my initial idea it seems that I am not completely loony with this idea. It may be something that is possible given my current financial situation (or lack of finances I should say) assuming that I do my research and really know what I'm getting myself into. Just the fact that you, someone knowing the business, didn't laugh at me and say I've got to big of sights is encouraging. With the right amount of effort its something I could really pull off and not have to win the lottery before I could do it.