Anyone look at the Boehner's Republican healthcare plan?

[SP33Demon]

Some of you have probably already read this. Boehner's plan.

The health care reforms outlined are designed to:
1.Make quality health care coverage affordable and accessible for every American, regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

2.Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care.

3.Let Americans who like their health care coverage keep it, and give all Americans the freedom to choose the health plan that best meets their needs.
4.Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats.

5.Improve Americans? lives through effective prevention, wellness, and disease management programs, while developing new treatments and cures for life-threatening diseases.

Most disturbing:

Encourages states to create a Universal Access Program by establishing and/or reforming existing programs to guarantee all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable coverage.

Wait a second, how are you going to get coverage "FOR EVERY AMERICAN" without funding it federally? Isn't that a catch-22? Private companies sure as hell aren't going to buy into that. Oh, it's clear now: a state UNIVERSAL ACCESS PROGRAM? Isn't that the same or very similar to UHC? Ah, so that's how Republicans plan to pay for it, through a socialistic state "universal access" plan instead of federal. So when they go bankrupt, they can cry to the government to bail them out and instead of just paying for it through federal taxes, we get violated in two holes instead of one via state taxes too. Brilliant plan! Correct me if I'm wrong but that is very close to the SOCIALISM BS that righties have been spewing since the last election.

 

[ayabe]

Sounds awesome, especially because I'm certain that my tanning will be covered.

Love this one:

4.Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats.

Much better than insurance company doctors who only have the best interests of their patients in mind, as long as it doesn't affect P&L.

 

[her209]

So how does he plan to lower costs?

 

[SammyJr]

Sounds like the Democrat's plan without the public option.

 

[MovingTarget]

The Republicans have a healthcare plan?

Honestly, this seems less of a plan and more a set of principles or goals. It contains no specifics. You could easily substitute this with what the Dems are trying to do if you don't include the details. Those are what really makes/breaks a healthcare plan.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Sounds like the Democrat's plan without the public option.

Sounds like Republicans. Democrat-lites ever since the 2,000 election. They think they'll win popularity and elections by half assing the Democrat's agenda as if they can cut them to the chase and sweep the rug out from under them.

How well did that work under Bush? Not very.

 

[theeedude]

That is going to bankrupt every state in the union. This has to be done on the federal level.
Also, did Boner vote for Bush's medicare prescription drug benefit? If he did, he has no leg to stand on when whining about costs.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Some of you have probably already read this. Boehner's plan.

The health care reforms outlined are designed to:
1.Make quality health care coverage affordable and accessible for every American, regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

2.Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care.

3.Let Americans who like their health care coverage keep it, and give all Americans the freedom to choose the health plan that best meets their needs.
4.Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats.

5.Improve Americans? lives through effective prevention, wellness, and disease management programs, while developing new treatments and cures for life-threatening diseases.

Most disturbing:

Encourages states to create a Universal Access Program by establishing and/or reforming existing programs to guarantee all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable coverage.

Wait a second, how are you going to get coverage "FOR EVERY AMERICAN" without funding it federally? Isn't that a catch-22? Private companies sure as hell aren't going to buy into that. Oh, it's clear now: a state UNIVERSAL ACCESS PROGRAM? Isn't that the same or very similar to UHC? Ah, so that's how Republicans plan to pay for it, through a socialistic state "universal access" plan instead of federal. So when they go bankrupt, they can cry to the government to bail them out and instead of just paying for it through federal taxes, we get violated in two holes instead of one via state taxes too. Brilliant plan! Correct me if I'm wrong but that is very close to the SOCIALISM BS that righties have been spewing since the last election.

They're not providing coverage for every American. They're making it accessible for every American. The mechanisms to do so are already in place - your state has an Insurance Comissioner.

Now, what was it you were crying about? Mommy, mommy - the republicans said one thing and did another!!! Jesus Christ...

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: inspire
They're not providing coverage for every American. They're making it accessible for every American.

I made the key words bold so that everyone here understands your point -- which happens to be a very good point that I sincerely hope applies to the inevitable Federal legislation as well.

Unfortunately, Boehner's "plan" lacks the details necessary to judge it appropriately.

 

[Pens1566]

It's not a plan, and someone already beat me to the "tanning being covered" joke. Damn.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: senseamp
That is going to bankrupt every state in the union. This has to be done on the federal level.
Also, did Boner vote for Bush's medicare prescription drug benefit? If he did, he has no leg to stand on when whining about costs.

I'll try to find that, but in the meantime here's the list of Yay senators:

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)
*************************************

So yeah anyways, pretty much every small government R douche voted for this boondoggle.

 

[CPA]

Now wait a minute, I thought you libs used Massachusettes state run plan as the golden child of what a universal plan can do.

BTW, I don't want either the state nor the feds running this.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: senseamp
That is going to bankrupt every state in the union. This has to be done on the federal level.
Also, did Boner vote for Bush's medicare prescription drug benefit? If he did, he has no leg to stand on when whining about costs.

So we can just bankrupt the country with one fell swoop.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: senseamp
That is going to bankrupt every state in the union. This has to be done on the federal level.
Also, did Boner vote for Bush's medicare prescription drug benefit? If he did, he has no leg to stand on when whining about costs.

I'll try to find that, but in the meantime here's the list of Yay senators:

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)
*************************************

So yeah anyways, pretty much every small government R douche voted for this boondoggle.

Quite a few D's I see there too. And seriously, what the fuck did you expect? The current bill in the Senate essentially demolishes each and every State Insurance Commissioner's Office's power with regards to Health Insurance, and replaces it with a Federal counterpart. Whether your prefix is D or R, if you're for small or decentralized government at all, you'd support this.

 

[theeedude]

Wait a second, I thought Republicans were saying that a problem with current system is that people cannot cross shop insurance from different states because insurance regulation is handled a state level. Now they are fighting creating a federal insurance exchange where consumers from all states would be able to obtain health insurance. Seems like typical Republican pattern of sitting on both sides of the fence and doing nothing.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Boehner is a grandstanding, obstructionist douche of monumental proportions.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: CPA
Now wait a minute, I thought you libs used Massachusettes state run plan as the golden child of what a universal plan can do.

BTW, I don't want either the state nor the feds running this.

Romneycare?

Shhh, don't mention that until after the general.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: inspire

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Some of you have probably already read this. Boehner's plan.

The health care reforms outlined are designed to:
1.Make quality health care coverage affordable and accessible for every American, regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

2.Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care.

3.Let Americans who like their health care coverage keep it, and give all Americans the freedom to choose the health plan that best meets their needs.
4.Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats.

5.Improve Americans? lives through effective prevention, wellness, and disease management programs, while developing new treatments and cures for life-threatening diseases.

Most disturbing:

Encourages states to create a Universal Access Program by establishing and/or reforming existing programs to guarantee all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable coverage.

Wait a second, how are you going to get coverage "FOR EVERY AMERICAN" without funding it federally? Isn't that a catch-22? Private companies sure as hell aren't going to buy into that. Oh, it's clear now: a state UNIVERSAL ACCESS PROGRAM? Isn't that the same or very similar to UHC? Ah, so that's how Republicans plan to pay for it, through a socialistic state "universal access" plan instead of federal. So when they go bankrupt, they can cry to the government to bail them out and instead of just paying for it through federal taxes, we get violated in two holes instead of one via state taxes too. Brilliant plan! Correct me if I'm wrong but that is very close to the SOCIALISM BS that righties have been spewing since the last election.

They're not providing coverage for every American. They're making it accessible for every American. The mechanisms to do so are already in place - your state has an Insurance Comissioner.

Now, what was it you were crying about? Mommy, mommy - the republicans said one thing and did another!!! Jesus Christ...

Wow, it's ACCESSIBLE without pre-existing conditions? And every state is going to be "encouraged" to participate out of the goodness of their hearts? GTFOOHere.

You still didn't address the fact that we will be taxed twice for this BS once it: a) doesn't work, and b) doesn't eliminate pre-existing conditions (which is the single largest barrier to making health insurance ACCESSIBLE in the first place). UNIVERSAL ACCESS sure as sht sounds like socialistic BS to me, we're all still paying for it - twice. Let's talk wealth redistribution and Obama... oh wait.

If this comes to fruition, the only mommy, mommy I see here is your (and all of our) moms getting bent over for money by the moronic GOP who were crying SOCIALISM during the last election. More like UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO OUR MONEY plan.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: ayabe
4.Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats.

he keeps repeating this like somehow insurance doesn't revoke claims. He is so in the pocket of that industry. 20% of the economy is not going to be taken down even 1% without some major fighting. This country is so fucking corrupt.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You still didn't address the fact that we will be taxed twice for this BS once it: a) doesn't work, and b) doesn't eliminate pre-existing conditions (which is the single largest barrier to making health insurance ACCESSIBLE in the first place). UNIVERSAL ACCESS sure as sht sounds like socialistic BS to me, we're all still paying for it - twice. Let's talk wealth redistribution and Obama... oh wait.

You never said anything being taxed twice, except in your hypothetical doomsday bailout scenario. The bill specifically addresses pre-existing conditions. And, you gave no compelling rationale for why the system wouldn't work besides strawmanning the entire bill up through equivocation of universal access to health insurance with universal health care.

What I addressed was that the premise of all your arguments makes no sense because Access is not the same as Care - a point which, after all your grandstanding, remains.

If this comes to fruition, the only mommy, mommy I see here is your (and all of our) moms getting bent over for money by the moronic GOP who were crying SOCIALISM during the last election. More like UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO OUR MONEY plan.

Which will likely happen if we sit here bitching about this with our thumbs up our ass, too. I stand by my point. Access is not the same as Care.

Now, the repubs may try to make it that way - as MovingTarget said, this isn't a plan, but moreso a set of goals. If the details ever come to light and support what you're saying, I'll be right there shouting from the rooftops with you. But, for now, I think it's a bit premature.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: her209
So how does he plan to lower costs?

He's a Republican. He isn't worried about costs.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: bamacre
He's a politician. He isn't worried about costs.

fixed.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: bamacre
He's a politician. He isn't worried about costs.

fixed.

That's true. Costs, and their rate of rise, is far worse than the current insurance coverage, IMO, but both have issues.

 

[theeedude]

His plan sounds Boehneheaded :|

 

[Craig234]

Can Republicans discuss the actual pros and cons of the issue,or are they limited to the label 'socialist' as all they can 'debate'? Pretty worthless, if the latter.

And as has been discussed many times, pretty hypocritical, considering hw they'll support other 'socialist' programs as cowards unwilling to be consistent and get the public angry at them as they show how bad that simplistic approach is as they oppose public libraries and make police and fire services mostly 'for pay' private services and all roads are sold off to private owners to profits from and so on and so on.

It's idiotic not to discuss the issue of healthcare more than a label.

But funny how everything on their side, in their debating, is assumed good as there isn't any counterpart to the word 'socialist' tha's demonized the same way.

It's idiocy, not rationality.