Shiva...it's not that people are poo pooing Creative for their products. it's their practices. what have the offered customers that has been truly new in years? In my mind i can't stand creative because not only did the bully and kill one of the most innovative companies in the audio card industry, Aureal, but they have done almost nothing for like 3 years but offer the same old stuff with flashy new packaging, bloated, buggy driver packs and bundled software. To use the worn out analogy (sp?), they are the M$ of sound cards. They can't handle a little competition. How's the saying go? they can dish it out, but they can't take it.
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