Question Anyone know of RAM list besides b-die?

[beginner99]

Anyone has a link to list of ram modules based on:

micron e-die
samsung m-die
hynix cjr

These are all supposedly good at OC and could replace Samsung b-die (for which there are many lists around).

 

[ozzy702]

Curious on this as well since it looks like B-die is basically impossible to find now.

I just picked up a 32gb (8gbx4) set of GSKILL 3200mhz cas 16 memory for my Z390 Master that OC horribly and I want a replacement. I can't even get 3400mhz 15-15-15-35 out of it @ 1.4v.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Samsung stopped making b die memory a few months ago. Inventory surely will dry up.

 

[beginner99]

Samsung stopped making b die memory a few months ago. Inventory surely will dry up.

That's exactly why i'm looking for these lists. b-die kits already are easily double-cost to other kits.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That's exactly why i'm looking for these lists. b-die kits already are easily double-cost to other kits.

Don’t get too obsessed, Ryzen 3000 appears to do good enough with other options.
Provided the goal isn’t top performance with no cost restraints, look into other memory.

 

[ozzy702]

Don’t get too obsessed, Ryzen 3000 appears to do good enough with other options.
Provided the goal isn’t top performance with no cost restraints, look into other memory.

The problem for many of us is the support for 32GB AND fast memory just isn't there with the absence of B-Die.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The problem for many of us is the support for 32GB AND fast memory just isn't there with the absence of B-Die.

Well there is that. I’m just saying paying $200-300 more for a few percent better performance may not be worth it vs ddr3000

 

[ozzy702]

Well there is that. I’m just saying paying $200-300 more for a few percent better performance may not be worth it vs ddr3000

Oh I agree completely. The remaining B-Die stock is crazy overpriced, but there may be other alternatives that have some overclocking ability. It will be interesting to see how things go moving forward, at the moment the high speed memory market looks pretty dismal compared to six months ago. Overall prices are way down, but performance stuff just isn't available.

 

[beginner99]

but there may be other alternatives that have some overclocking ability

And these alternatives are listed in my intial post and that's exactly why I'm searching for a list of them:

micron e-die
hynix cjr
samsung m-die

Order is proven track record. e-die should according to rumors be good enough for 3400 16 or even 3600 16. Now we need to know parts numbers for such sticks

 

[FedericoUY]

I hope this b-die chips do not end up like elpida hypers, that were flawless and suddenly they went EOL and it was really hard to get those modules. Non of the other modules in that time would OC even close :|

 

[ozzy702]

Does anyone know if Samsung will be bringing B-Die like performance back to the table anytime soon?

 

[ldwilliams]

Samsung stopped making b die memory a few months ago. Inventory surely will dry up.

That is completely incorrect, try watching this from BZ (actually hardcore overclocking)

 

[ldwilliams]

I hope this b-die chips do not end up like elpida hypers, that were flawless and suddenly they went EOL and it was really hard to get those modules. Non of the other modules in that time would OC even close :|

see my post above, it is Not being discontinued

 

[ldwilliams]

Does anyone know if Samsung will be bringing B-Die like performance back to the table anytime soon?

They are NOT discontinuing them see my post above

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That is completely incorrect, try watching this from BZ (actually hardcore overclocking)

Words please, I’m not watching a video

 

[ldwilliams]

Words please, I’m not watching a video

YOUR loss then mate, Stop being petty just because you have been proved wrong, how PATHETIC. Just watch the damn video.
He goes onto Samsung's website, shows All the B-die listed and shows that none of them are showing as end of life, but all in mass production.
Now You can continue to believe and spout what you like, but between a well known overclocker that does ram and VRM reviews for various YouTube reviewers and yourself, I Know who I am going to believe.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

YOUR loss then mate, Stop being petty just because you have been proved wrong, how PATHETIC. Just watch the damn video.
He goes onto Samsung's website, shows All the B-die listed and shows that none of them are showing as end of life, but all in mass production.
Now You can continue to believe and spout what you like, but between a well known overclocker that does ram and VRM reviews for various YouTube reviewers, I Know who I am going to believe.

Um okay, I guess I lost. So the choice is
Believe many, many major tech hardware sites & Samsung who announced EOL for this memory

or

Some YouTube guy who couldn’t print words anywhere

 

[ldwilliams]

Um okay, I guess I lost. So the choice is
Believe many, many major tech hardware sites & Samsung who announced EOL for this memory

or

Some YouTube guy who couldn’t print words anywhere

Like I said, Your loss mate. You continue giving wrong advice and you will soon see who listens to you in the future

he even proved that there is no shortage of B-die either, seeing as folk were saying that there was - went onto various sites and showed stock being available.

Since when did words typed on a site carry any more weight than spoken?

 

[ldwilliams]

Believe many, many major tech hardware sites & Samsung who announced EOL for this memory

proof of those sites if you would be So kind, otherwise it is just Your words (again)

Oh and As stated - he went onto Samsung's site and showed that B-Die was not end of life


Tell you what, to make it easy for you, watch it from this point in time, where he specifies what is being discontinued

 

[Fanatical Meat]

proof of those sites if you would be So kind, otherwise it is just Your words (again)

Oh and As stated - he went onto Samsung's site and showed that B-Die was not end of life


Tell you what, to make it easy for you, watch it from this point in time, where he specifies what is being discontinued

I’m not in the market for memory and your combativeness is tiring

 

[ldwilliams]

Samsung B-die (20 nm): Has EOL been Canceled, Mass Production Continued?

As reported by seemingly every computer technology website, Samsung Semiconductor had recently announced the end of life status for its famed 20 nm B-die DDR4 SDRAM. Samsung's own website also indicated this, as we can see below in the screenshot I clipped when the news was making the rounds...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ldwilliams]

Samsung Kills Production of Famed B-die DDR4 Memory in Favor or Higher Densities

As the world becomes more and more centered on data, as well as its processing and storage, increased memory density across products is becoming more of a necessity. It seems that out of this necessity and a need to streamline its memory production towards favoring denser outputs, Samsung is...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ldwilliams]

they've only ended production of 20 nm B-die and have started production of 10 nm B-die

 

[Fanatical Meat]

they've only ended production of 20 nm B-die and have started production of 10 nm B-die

I saw that in one of the links but 10nm appears to be for “industrial” applications as in not for sale to consumers.
Per my limited time working at a VAR, I know vendors keep small amounts of discontinued parts in production or warehouse some old parts so they can fill warranties and service their major customers.
I think it is possible to still get some b-die just be aware it will cost more and finding it in the future may be challenging. Plus most CPUs don’t overclock like they have in the past.

 

[VirtualLarry]

they've only ended production of 20 nm B-die and have started production of 10 nm B-die

That's really NOT the same thing. And my understanding is that these so-called "a-die, b-die, etc.", are effectively revisions for each different process node.

So yes, the dies that are called "B-die" among enthusiast circles, according to YOUR OWN WORDS, are cancelled.

The fact that they have a new die, also labelled "b-die" by the mfg, but on a different process, is largely irrelevant. Different process, different product, we'll see how the enthusiast crowd reacts to them.

That's almost like saying, "Hey Corsair Vengeance (DDR3) is cancelled, but you can still get Corsair Vengeance (DDR4)". That's basically what you're saying, by way of analogy.

(*Nota Bene: AFAIK, Corsair Vengeance in both DDR3 and DDR4 are still being made, that was just a hypothetical analogy example.)