imho, that Media Matters article doesn't really get to what I would think are liberal issues. Not privatizing Social Security isn't necessarily liberal nor the stem-cell research issue. Minimum wage is and a stance on abortion, sure, but 20% of the newly elected are pro-life (presumably anti-abortion?). Quite a large % for "liberals"
I think, by far, the funniest spin I've seen has come from Thomas Sowell, a conservative pundit who's columns frequently appear in the Washington Times and who is the poster boy for living outside of the reality based community. His commentary on November 9th ("A new voter fraud") suggested that the Democrats' values and principles STILL greatly differ from those of "most Americans", the same chant we've been hearing from the right for years. But if that's true, why did the Dems just beat the Republicans like a team of rented mules? Well, in Mr. Sowell's opinion, it's because the Democrats are far more skilled at politics than the Republicans are. They are so shrewd and the media is so biased in their favor that "it is remarkable Republicans have had any political success at all." If there is a better example of spin based on living in a fantasy world, I have yet to see it. And yet it seems to represent the spin many Republicans are trying to give this election, somehow the Dems are still a bunch of radicals totally out of the mainstream...they won through trickery and deceit. In other words, the Republicans still represent the average American, the average American is just too stupid to see past the Democratic tricks. In still other words, the exact same spin the Dems put on the results in 2004. Hmm, same sh!t, different channel...the only difference is that it seems remotely plausible that the Republicans are better at politics than the Democrats, I don't see how you can make the opposite argument with a straight face.
Given the broad support for the Social Security program and stem cell research from all sorts of Americans, I think the conservatives are in the minority there.
As for abortion, again, most Americans support at least some pro-choice positions...a fairly small percentage want to totally ban abortion, or even ban abortion in the first three months of pregnancy. Personally I see the pro-lifers and the pro-choicers coming together to help REDUCE the number of abortions, because that's something everyone can agree on and it's a lot more productive for the pro-life folks than supporting militant anti-abortion folks like Coburn...who's ranting and raving has not stopped a single abortion. The pro-life Dems ARE a significant group, and they seem to realize the more reasonable approach to take to the issue.
Rush Limbaugh says:
< sarcasm >
We believe you, Rush! :roll:
< /sarcasm >
It's strangely reminiscent of Bush's admission, immediately after the election, that he straight up lied about keeping Rumsfeld immediately before the election because he thought the truth could affect the election.
I wonder if he ever heard of Thomas Jefferson's statement:
We believe you, Bushie! :roll:
< /sarcasm >
Translation: He feels free to admit he's been lying continuously to support the ultra-right liars in power because that's where his bread was buttered. Now that they've had their collective asses handed to them on a platter, he'll be moving on to suck off any other platter that will take over feeding his overstuffed pork face and drug habit while he lies for them.
< sarcasm >
We believe you, Rush! :roll:
< /sarcasm >
It's strangely reminiscent of Bush's admission, immediately after the election, that he straight up lied about keeping Rumsfeld immediately before the election because he thought the truth could affect the election.
I wonder if he ever heard of Thomas Jefferson's statement:
< sarcasm >
We believe you, Bushie! :roll:
< /sarcasm >
It's gonna be amusing, listening to the squeals, as the new congress serves up bills to fund embryonic stemcell research, comprehensive sex-ed, negotiated medicare drug prices, real trials for "terrorists", and a variety of other highly popular and beneficial legislation...
Every Bush veto is just another nail in repubs' political coffins...
Even as the Dems swat down initiatives to destroy the separation of church and state, fund religious whackos, install more bush cronies on the bench... We'll need a whole fleet of Wahmbulances, before it's over...
Ahh, and the investigations... can't wait for low-level staffers to testify, guys who were only doing their jobs, who have no reason to lie... guys like Alexander Butterfield...
Every Bush veto is just another nail in repubs' political coffins...
Even as the Dems swat down initiatives to destroy the separation of church and state, fund religious whackos, install more bush cronies on the bench... We'll need a whole fleet of Wahmbulances, before it's over...
Ahh, and the investigations... can't wait for low-level staffers to testify, guys who were only doing their jobs, who have no reason to lie... guys like Alexander Butterfield...
Whoozyerdaddy
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Sowell said that? What an idiot. I'd love to see that link. The Dems ran a smart campaign... In the more conservative districts where they thought the electorate was upset at the current situation they ran moderate to conservative candidates. The idea was that when a pissed off/disaffected conservative/republican entered the voting booth, the D candidate was not that far off on the issues and represented an option to enact change without compromising their core beliefs. That's not trickery... that's just smart candidate selection.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Dems are better at the game than the Rs are... It will take a few more election cycles to determine that. Personally I think that the R machine is much more finely tuned than the D machine is. Although the Ds are catching up... Like I said before... this wasn't an election of ideologies. This was a protest election.
Agreed, which is probably why the typical Republican strategy of "Imagine what it would be like if terrorists killed your entire family...now go vote!" didn't work like I was expecting it to.
Search for Sowell and "A new voter fraud" on Google, or here's the link to his latest column (will change eventually) http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/tsowell.htm.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. The american people have been hearing that mantra for five years now. "Terror terror terror... elect us and we'll protect you!"
Ok... what has the average american actually seen on that subject? Well... A trip through airport security now takes an hour longer despite having twice as many security personnel and we pay an extra $15 per plane ticket for the inconvenience. (It's even called the "Federal 9/11 Tax" on your ticket) The latest incarnation of this (no liquids on planes) was proof to EVERYONE who was flying that security was worthless as most of them walked through security, bought a bottle of water and carried it on the plane anyway.
After a while the "we'll protect you" message fades from a feeling of security to a nuissance and eventually to an obnoxious waste of time and money.
Thanks for the link!
And I hear that in 2 years there will be 40 Republican Senators up for re-election.
Hopefully we can clean out some of that deadwood then.
It's not like your hero won the 2000 election with any kind of mandate, he actually had less votes, so what did he do? Unite the country? Move to the middle?
No, he ran a scorched earth right wing campaign, to reverse every law and act that has ever pissed off a Republican.
But the Democrats need to move to the middle and not press their agenda-Wrong.
Siddhartha
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Conservatives were screaming "Liberal! Liberal! Liberal!" and rather than say, "Yeah... what about it?" liberals ran away from the term.
The good news is, your big bad neo[/b]CON[/b] traitors got their lying asses handed to them on a platter. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Overlooked in this Democrat take-over in the Senate and House is the fact that there are still 9 House seats in play -
some of which may be added to the list for the Democrats.
The 'Victory' lists the seats that were won which turned the tide agaist the GOP, and when these unawarded results are finalized,
there may be an even bigger shift of power.
9 Seats Left to Decide
Looking at the raw data - the Democratic sweep has been in the House, the Senate, the State Governorships,
and accross the board, heavily in favor of the Democrats in the State Legislatures as well.
The Republicans which were thrown out were in the most part moderates, and in the next cycle there will be
a larger amount of those GOP constituants that are more Conservative or downright devisive Pro-Evangelicals.
If the Democrats play this hand smartly, and get the middle of the road American Voter back on their side,
the Republicans may have even more hell to pay for thier power grab and pandering under the Lost Bush Administration.
some of which may be added to the list for the Democrats.
The 'Victory' lists the seats that were won which turned the tide agaist the GOP, and when these unawarded results are finalized,
there may be an even bigger shift of power.
9 Seats Left to Decide
Looking at the raw data - the Democratic sweep has been in the House, the Senate, the State Governorships,
and accross the board, heavily in favor of the Democrats in the State Legislatures as well.
The Republicans which were thrown out were in the most part moderates, and in the next cycle there will be
a larger amount of those GOP constituants that are more Conservative or downright devisive Pro-Evangelicals.
If the Democrats play this hand smartly, and get the middle of the road American Voter back on their side,
the Republicans may have even more hell to pay for thier power grab and pandering under the Lost Bush Administration.
40 Republican Senators? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. THERE ARE ONLY 33 SEATS UP FOR RE-ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS...idiot.
CaptnKirk
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As of November 9, 2006, election results indicate that the composition of the Senate going into the 2008 election will include 49 Republicans and 51 Democrats (including two independents that will caucus with Democrats). Of the seats up for election in 2008, 21 are held by Republicans and 12 by Democrats.
There may be some additional changes of incumbent to the list below if Senators die or resign. If Senators in other classes die or resign between 2006 and 2008, there may be additional special elections in 2008. The dates between which the death or resignation of a Senator would lead to a special election in 2008 vary from state to state.
Which brings us to the fact that the Republicans - all 21 of them, are mre vulnerable than the 12 Democrats,
providing that the Democrats play fair politics, and make gains with the voting public.
Wait till next time, paybacks are hell
Whoops, no that was stupid of me. An idiot is someone who still supports this right wing administration.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm
"I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward
"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
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Republicans are still in denial. That's why they will keep losing until they get a grip on reality. This is a moderate country. They can't govern it from their base and expect to stay in power.
They still think that it's only because of Iraq and Foley, etc. In reality it is about their ideology, and not reality, based governing. They keep throwing red meat to their base, regardless of whether the majority of the country agrees with it or not. And the majority just whacked them for it. If it wasn't for 9/11, they would have been out in 2002.
I am very encouraged by the statements a lot of the rightwing talking heads are making that they lost because they weren't conservative enough. If GOP buys into that, they will remain a minority party that they deserve to be.
They still think that it's only because of Iraq and Foley, etc. In reality it is about their ideology, and not reality, based governing. They keep throwing red meat to their base, regardless of whether the majority of the country agrees with it or not. And the majority just whacked them for it. If it wasn't for 9/11, they would have been out in 2002.
I am very encouraged by the statements a lot of the rightwing talking heads are making that they lost because they weren't conservative enough. If GOP buys into that, they will remain a minority party that they deserve to be.
I know a lot of Republicans who are happy that Bush got his wake up call. I thionk it's just the hard core righties that are in denial. ANone disagree with me on this? Pabster, any comment? 
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