Anyone know anything about Kerry?

Nitemare

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Kerry was educated at Swiss boarding schools and attended an elite private school in New Hampshire, before enrolling in Yale University.

He was a member of the exclusive club Skull and Bones.

He led a group of veterans that hurled their war medals onto the Capitol steps to protest the war. Though it later became clear that Kerry had only thrown his ribbons on the steps (to this day his medals are proudly displayed in his office)

In 1991 the Senate created the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to investigate the possibility that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam. Acting as chairman, Kerry helped persuade the group to vote unanimously that no American servicemen still remained in Vietnam.

But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992 when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin.

Kerry has continuously criticized the Bush administration for its abandonment of the Kyoto protocol

Assets, notice how most is in his wife's name to deny their influence]http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=4&act=details#asset[/L][/L] It's coming back to bight him now that he can't use it for campaigning

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On a related note, an actual recording of his 1971 Senate testimony might be up on the web for download in a few days.

As one observer comments: "The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful..."
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Net worth: $165.4 million-$626.3 million
Middle name is Forbes....yes as in the loaded Forbes

Kerry was educated at Swiss boarding schools and attended an elite private school in New Hampshire, before enrolling in Yale University.

He was a member of the exclusive club Skull and Bones.

He led a group of veterans that hurled their war medals onto the Capitol steps to protest the war. Though it later became clear that Kerry had only thrown his ribbons on the steps (to this day his medals are proudly displayed in his office)

In 1991 the Senate created the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to investigate the possibility that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam. Acting as chairman, Kerry helped persuade the group to vote unanimously that no American servicemen still remained in Vietnam.

But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992 when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin.

Kerry has continuously criticized the Bush administration for its abandonment of the Kyoto protocol

Assets, notice how most is in his wife's name to deny their influence]http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=4&act=details#asset[/L][/L] It's coming back to bight him now that he can't use it for campaigning

Paid for already by the telecom industry


I don't believe Kerry was ever super rich. Most of is in his wifes name because it is mostly hers. That is why he mortgaged his Boston townhouse to fund his campaign in the fall. He doesn't have that kind of money and his wife can't give it to him directly.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: burnedout
On a related note, an actual recording of his 1971 Senate testimony might be up on the web for download in a few days.

As one observer comments: "The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful..."

That would be nice. In reading transcripts and quotes it's almost unbelievable that anyone who uttered that could have at one time served in the military and then ran for an elected office and won it.
 

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Politics is like a box of choclates . . .
those on the bottom get crushed by those on the top.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Net worth: $165.4 million-$626.3 million
Middle name is Forbes....yes as in the loaded Forbes

Kerry was educated at Swiss boarding schools and attended an elite private school in New Hampshire, before enrolling in Yale University.

He was a member of the exclusive club Skull and Bones.

He led a group of veterans that hurled their war medals onto the Capitol steps to protest the war. Though it later became clear that Kerry had only thrown his ribbons on the steps (to this day his medals are proudly displayed in his office)

In 1991 the Senate created the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to investigate the possibility that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam. Acting as chairman, Kerry helped persuade the group to vote unanimously that no American servicemen still remained in Vietnam.

But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992 when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin.

Kerry has continuously criticized the Bush administration for its abandonment of the Kyoto protocol

Assets, notice how most is in his wife's name to deny their influence]http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=4&act=details#asset[/L][/L] It's coming back to bight him now that he can't use it for campaigning

Paid for already by the telecom industry


I don't believe Kerry was ever super rich. Most of is in his wifes name because it is mostly hers. That is why he mortgaged his Boston townhouse to fund his campaign in the fall. He doesn't have that kind of money and his wife can't give it to him directly.


In all fairness, he was not super rich until he married Heinz, but he has never been anywhere remotely close to poor, middle class or the lower echelons of rich
 
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I am so confused:confused:

After listening to Kerry over the years, I would have guessed that he was born the son of a coal miner and was dirt poor, is proud of his military service and having served in Vietnam, is a champion of the "little guy", will take the special interests out of Washington D.C., Pro-NAFTA, Pro-Patriot Act, for the war in Iraq, anti-Kyoto, proponent of "No Child Left Behind"..etc, etc, etc?I either had him pegged wrong, or he took a page out of the Gore play book and reinvented himself when I wasn?t looking?which way do I go, George; which way do I go?
 

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I believe this is a complete record of then Ltjg Kerry's tetsimony in 1971.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations

April 23, 1971

I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. The term Winter Soldier is a play on words of Thomas Paine's in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriots and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country, we could be quiet, we could hold our silence, we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, not the reds, but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out....

In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.

We found that not only was it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever, but also we found that the Vietnamese whom we had enthusiastically molded after our own image were hard put to take up the fight against the threat we were supposedly saving them from.

We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone in peace, and they practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Viet Cong, North Vietnamese or American.

We found also that all too often American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies. We saw first hand how monies from American taxes were used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by the flag, and blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Vietnam ravaged equally by American bombs and search and destroy missions, as well as by Viet Cong terrorism - and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Viet Cong.

We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals.

We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others.

Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese.

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?....We are here in Washington to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country - the question of racism which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions such as the use of weapons; the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage at the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. That is what we are trying to say. It is part and parcel of everything.

An American Indian friend of mine who lives in the Indian Nation of Alcatraz put it to me very succinctly. He told me how as a boy on an Indian reservation he had watched television and he used to cheer the cowboys when they came in and shot the Indians, and then suddenly one day he stopped in Vietnam and he said, "my God, I am doing to these people the very same thing that was done to my people," and he stopped. And that is what we are trying to say, that we think this thing has to end.

We are here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We're here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatrick, and so many others? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned? These are the commanders who have deserted their troops. And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They've left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country....

We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped away their memories of us. But all that they have done and all that they can do by this denial is to make more clear than ever our own determination to undertake one last mission - to search out and destroy the last vestige of this barbaric war, to pacify our own hearts, to conquer the hate and fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more. And more. And so when thirty years from now our brothers go down the street without a leg, without an arm, or a face, and small boys ask why, we will be able to say "Vietnam" and not mean a desert, not a filthy obscene memory, but mean instead where America finally turned and where soldiers like us helped it in the turning.

This text is made available by the Sixties Project, sponsored by Viet Nam Generation Inc. and the Institute of Advanced Technology in the Humanities at the University of Virginia at Charlottesville. The Sixties Project is a collective of humanities scholars working together on the Internet to use electronic resources to provide routes of collaboration and make available primary and secondary sources for researchers, students, teachers, writers and librarians interested in the 1960s.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Net worth: $165.4 million-$626.3 million
Middle name is Forbes....yes as in the loaded Forbes

Kerry was educated at Swiss boarding schools and attended an elite private school in New Hampshire, before enrolling in Yale University.

He was a member of the exclusive club Skull and Bones.

He led a group of veterans that hurled their war medals onto the Capitol steps to protest the war. Though it later became clear that Kerry had only thrown his ribbons on the steps (to this day his medals are proudly displayed in his office)

In 1991 the Senate created the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to investigate the possibility that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam. Acting as chairman, Kerry helped persuade the group to vote unanimously that no American servicemen still remained in Vietnam.

But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992 when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin.

Kerry has continuously criticized the Bush administration for its abandonment of the Kyoto protocol

Assets, notice how most is in his wife's name to deny their influence]http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=4&act=details#asset[/L][/L] It's coming back to bight him now that he can't use it for campaigning

Paid for already by the telecom industry


I don't believe Kerry was ever super rich. Most of is in his wifes name because it is mostly hers. That is why he mortgaged his Boston townhouse to fund his campaign in the fall. He doesn't have that kind of money and his wife can't give it to him directly.


In all fairness, he was not super rich until he married Heinz, but he has never been anywhere remotely close to poor, middle class or the lower echelons of rich


Neither was President Bush, and he was elected.
 

tnitsuj

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For the record. I find Lieutenant Kerrys testimony to be eloquent and in line with what I know about the Vietnam war (which obviously was before my time).

It is a scathing indictment of the leadership of the country, the conduct of the war, and a plea for an end to it all.

The only thing that I see that is probably incorrect is the statement about blacks taking the highest percentage of casualties. I don't believe that is accurate.

I don't see it as anti-American at all.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Net worth: $165.4 million-$626.3 million
Middle name is Forbes....yes as in the loaded Forbes

Kerry was educated at Swiss boarding schools and attended an elite private school in New Hampshire, before enrolling in Yale University.

He was a member of the exclusive club Skull and Bones.

He led a group of veterans that hurled their war medals onto the Capitol steps to protest the war. Though it later became clear that Kerry had only thrown his ribbons on the steps (to this day his medals are proudly displayed in his office)

In 1991 the Senate created the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to investigate the possibility that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam. Acting as chairman, Kerry helped persuade the group to vote unanimously that no American servicemen still remained in Vietnam.

But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992 when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin.

Kerry has continuously criticized the Bush administration for its abandonment of the Kyoto protocol

Assets, notice how most is in his wife's name to deny their influence]http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=4&act=details#asset[/L][/L] It's coming back to bight him now that he can't use it for campaigning

Paid for already by the telecom industry


I don't believe Kerry was ever super rich. Most of is in his wifes name because it is mostly hers. That is why he mortgaged his Boston townhouse to fund his campaign in the fall. He doesn't have that kind of money and his wife can't give it to him directly.


In all fairness, he was not super rich until he married Heinz, but he has never been anywhere remotely close to poor, middle class or the lower echelons of rich


Neither was President Bush


Agreed. I will state like I have in numerous posts. The only reason to relect Bush is because he is the only one who will not appease terrorists
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: burnedout
On a related note, an actual recording of his 1971 Senate testimony might be up on the web for download in a few days.

As one observer comments: "The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful..."


So you are in agreement with everything the military did in Vietnam and agree that it was worth losing 50,000 QUALITY AMERICAN LIVES FOR??
 

juiio

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Net worth: $165.4 million-$626.3 million
He led a group of veterans that hurled their war medals onto the Capitol steps to protest the war. Though it later became clear that Kerry had only thrown his ribbons on the steps (to this day his medals are proudly displayed in his office)

That is only partially accurate. Yes he has his medals hanging in his office, but only because he threw someone else's medals during the protest rather than his own.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: burnedout
On a related note, an actual recording of his 1971 Senate testimony might be up on the web for download in a few days.

As one observer comments: "The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful..."


So you are in agreement with everything the military did in Vietnam and agree that it was worth losing 50,000 QUALITY AMERICAN LIVES FOR??
No. Furthermore, please read my posts about McNamara, Johnson, et al. before asking any other asinine questions. You are dismissed.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: burnedout
On a related note, an actual recording of his 1971 Senate testimony might be up on the web for download in a few days.

As one observer comments: "The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful..."


So you are in agreement with everything the military did in Vietnam and agree that it was worth losing 50,000 QUALITY AMERICAN LIVES FOR??
No. Furthermore, please read my posts about McNamara, Johnson, et al. before asking any other asinine questions. You are dismissed.

So what specifically do you disagree with in the testimony? As far as I can tell all that stuff really happened. (with the exception of the one thing I already mentioned)
 

tnitsuj

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Even Colin Powell in his biography talked about randomly shooting at "Military Age Males" in Vietnam. I don't think Kerry spoke of anything in terms of atrocities that did not happen.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
For the record. I find Lieutenant Kerrys testimony to be eloquent and in line with what I know about the Vietnam war (which obviously was before my time).

It is a scathing indictment of the leadership of the country, the conduct of the war, and a plea for an end to it all.

The only thing that I see that is probably incorrect is the statement about blacks taking the highest percentage of casualties. I don't believe that is accurate.

I don't see it as anti-American at all.
I agree.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj

So what specifically do you disagree with in the testimony? As far as I can tell all that stuff really happened. (with the exception of the one thing I already mentioned)
Where in the previous two sentences is my disagreement with the testimony? FWIW, the "observer" in question is Hugh Hewitt, and he played the audio on his radio show. More from that:

played John Kerry's 1971 testimony on the radio program, and the response was intense. The first two hours brought scores of calls and e-mails which denounced Kerry for his slander of the military that served in Vietnam and for his understanding of the war. Kerry has thus far successfully dodged a discussion of the specifics of his testimony, and it was very hard to find the audio --it took my producer Duane considerable digging to find the tape.


 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: tnitsuj

So what specifically do you disagree with in the testimony? As far as I can tell all that stuff really happened. (with the exception of the one thing I already mentioned)
Where in the previous two sentences is my disagreement with the testimony? FWIW, the "observer" in question is Hugh Hewitt, and he played the audio on his radio show. More from that:

played John Kerry's 1971 testimony on the radio program, and the response was intense. The first two hours brought scores of calls and e-mails which denounced Kerry for his slander of the military that served in Vietnam and for his understanding of the war. Kerry has thus far successfully dodged a discussion of the specifics of his testimony, and it was very hard to find the audio --it took my producer Duane considerable digging to find the tape.
Calls back then or calls in the present day? What he (Kerry)said sounds about on par with what some of my friends who were newly returned from Nam at the time said. Keep in mind that the vast majority of Soldiers there were draftees, unhappy about being there and really had no idea why they were fighting there. In their minds it was better to be safe than sorry and if that meant killing a peasant who could possibly be Cong so be it...even if they stood a chance that they were wrong.
 

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OMG, Kerry is an Anti-American!!!!
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dahunan

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: burnedout
On a related note, an actual recording of his 1971 Senate testimony might be up on the web for download in a few days.

As one observer comments: "The impact of actually hearing Kerry slander the military--his accent is unbelievable, and his tone of arrogance and condescension repulsive-- is powerful..."


So you are in agreement with everything the military did in Vietnam and agree that it was worth losing 50,000 QUALITY AMERICAN LIVES FOR??
No. Furthermore, please read my posts about McNamara, Johnson, et al. before asking any other asinine questions. You are dismissed.

I apologize if you weren't in agreement with the opinion you posted. I thought you posted that opinion because you agreed with it.
 

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Kerry's speech was right on the money, except for those who deny the truth. Maybe you Fascists in here should consider getting an education.
 

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Kerry is a fraud. That's why I hope he wins the democratic nomination. He'll be torn to shreds by the Bush election team. There is so much dirt on him. I don't agree with Edwards, but at least he's honest and up front compared to Kerry.