Anyone just going to say "the heck with it" and not going to vote?

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

Bullshit. November 4th, 2008 will have less bearing on the future of our country then you think.

 

[gorcorps]

I'm not voting. Mainly because I'm just ready for a change, and I don't care who it comes from.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I think it's pathetic that someone wants to knock on someone for exercising their right. I don't keep up enough with local politics to get into those, but either way I'm not quite sure who would be right for the country as the POTUS in that election. So I abstain.

Contray to the beliefs of most, local elections matter the most. Too bad no one ever really researches their local elections.

Yah, I understand about locals - but it's pretty hard trying to find consolidated information about those running.

I agree, but 3 minutes with google gave me this:
http://www.vote411.org/bystate.php

an example of the info available for my state when you click on the map, then the link for candidates/ballot:
http://www.smartvoter.org/2008...4/ca/state/ballot.html

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

 

[hclarkjr]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

hmmm, lazy. lets see, i have a 40 hour per week job and do not collect welfare or anything else for free. yeah i am lazy

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: buck
So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

Excuse me, sir, but I thought that you might need this for that really high horse.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

hmmm, lazy. lets see, i have a 40 hour per week job and do not collect welfare or anything else for free. yeah i am lazy

So you dont have time to vote (or register to vote) but you have time to trade on the forums and send out money/hardware?
Sounds like your priorities are out of whack.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

Question: If I were to have the guts to go to a booth and pick one and he wins and turns out to be a bust, do I still get to complain about the direction of the country? By not voting, I think I do get to complain if either of them win and does a horrible job. Now the right that I don't have in this choice is taking credit for voting if either of them does a great job. And as I've said, I'm not impressed with either of them or their ability so I decide not to vote(for the POTUS). Locals is another matter.

terrible logic is terrible.

again: you state once that you have no opinion, then you suddenly have one when you feel you can claim you were right all along...for not caring?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

And while you think it's pointless to vote for a third-party candidate, it's not, and far from it. Sure, it's almost guaranteed that candidate will not win, what with our desire to stick to a two-party system, it get's the message across. Not to the other candidates, but to that third-party candidate, and to the country. That other candidate will see how many voted for him, and judge the possibility of running again. Voters will see the total for him, and might give that guy another look next time around. If nothing else, it gives that party more of a chance at local and state levels, and if that ever happens in meaningful numbers, then it can trickle down. Maybe, eventually... one far off bright and sunny day in the future, we'll move to a true multi-party government, where more than just the two main parties actually receive measurable donations and media coverage.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: buck
So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

Excuse me, sir, but I thought that you might need this for that really high horse.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Not voting isn't the way to go about it IMO. I'd vote 3rd party before abstaining.

totally agree.

I bet Brian Moore could use some votes.

Great, now I've been flagged by that big database in the Pentagon

At least you're not on the Google servers with a "socialist candidate for president" search....

 

[hclarkjr]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

hmmm, lazy. lets see, i have a 40 hour per week job and do not collect welfare or anything else for free. yeah i am lazy

So you dont have time to vote (or register to vote) but you have time to trade on the forums and send out money/hardware?
Sounds like your priorities are out of whack.

see there you go judging somebody you do not even know. imagine if a lot of others in this country had my priorities of going to work on time every day, paying my taxes every year and obeying the laws. bet there would be a lot less crime and a lot fewer people on welfare sucking up my taxes i pay

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

And while you think it's pointless to vote for a third-party candidate, it's not, and far from it. Sure, it's almost guaranteed that candidate will not win, what with our desire to stick to a two-party system, it get's the message across. Not to the other candidates, but to that third-party candidate, and to the country. That other candidate will see how many voted for him, and judge the possibility of running again. Voters will see the total for him, and might give that guy another look next time around. If nothing else, it gives that party more of a chance at local and state levels, and if that ever happens in meaningful numbers, then it can trickle down. Maybe, eventually... one far off bright and sunny day in the future, we'll move to a true multi-party government, where more than just the two main parties actually receive measurable donations and media coverage.

:thumbsup:

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: buck
So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

Excuse me, sir, but I thought that you might need this for that really high horse.

yea 6 feet isnt nearly enough

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Dare to admit it here?

not voting. I was gonna vote for mccain just to give my wife a hard time though

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: buck
So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

Excuse me, sir, but I thought that you might need this for that really high horse.

yea 6 feet isnt nearly enough

Have anything else to add?

 

[Pacemaker]

I moved from Florida to IL and didn't switch my license in time to vote tomorrow, therefore I will not be voting. However, I did register so that next time I can.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

yet you still reap the benefits of living here

thats funny because the last time i checked there seemed to be some money taken out of my check by uncle sam

If you had somewhere better to go, you'd be there, or be planning to go there.

 

[Reckoner]

I guess I'll make a trip down to vote on the propositions.

 

[Muse]

No!

 

[hclarkjr]

but you have time to trade on the forums and send out money/hardware? Sounds like your priorities are out of whack

seems like you have the same problem

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

hmmm, lazy. lets see, i have a 40 hour per week job and do not collect welfare or anything else for free. yeah i am lazy

So you dont have time to vote (or register to vote) but you have time to trade on the forums and send out money/hardware?
Sounds like your priorities are out of whack.

imagine if a lot of others in this country had my priorities.....

Thank God they don't, we don't need more lazy people who aren't going to vote.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I'll play Fallout 3 instead

heh. I already voted absentee. Tomorrow is going to be dedicated to Resistance 2 playtime.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

but you have time to trade on the forums and send out money/hardware? Sounds like your priorities are out of whack

seems like you have the same problem

I work more than 40 hours a week and yet I still have time to vote. What is the problem with my priorities?

*nice edit fool

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: hclarkjr

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: NFS4
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about or praise the direction of the country. If you don't vote, STFU, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

If someone is THAT far removed from reality that they don't even have the guts to go into the booth and pick a candidate -- hell, write in a candidate, or just vote for local offices -- then I think that person is pretty pathetic..

I've never understood this mentality. Why is participation in the process the gateway to discussion of the process or its results? If Obama is elected and turns America socialist, why should only the McCain voters have the 'right' to complain? If McCain is elected and starts 100 wars, why should only the Obama voters have the 'right' to complain?

If I, as an informed voter, look at the two major-party candidates and cannot in good conscience cast a vote for either, should I be forced to go to the polls and vote for "the lesser of two evils"? Or, possibly worse yet, vote for a third-party candidate that I have no allegiance to or knowledge of, just to 'send a message'? Let me tell you, voting third-party just to vote accomplishes no more than staying home does.

If anything, those who decide not to vote because there are no acceptable candidates may have MORE of a right to complain than the voters. If you voted, then presumably you liked the candidate you voted for. If that candidate lost, well then you're SOL. If you don't vote, you don't even have a candidate that's a POSSIBILITY of being acceptable. Not only can you complain about the choices the victor makes, but you can also complain about the lack of representation in the election.

Wow. idiocy 101 here.

If you choose the life of a cipher, you should be willing to be as silent as one.

Your lack of an opinion when it matters shouldn't grant you the greater voice after the fact. Do you think not voting absolves you from paying taxes? What kind of hypocrite complains about where their money is going when they openly declared, "I don't care?" Or what has become of the country when they already declared "I don't care!"

When do you start caring?

see that is another nice thing about this country, freedom of speech. i pay my taxes, obey the laws and yes i tried to join the militarty but failed the physical so do not get on my about serving my country.

So you gave up on serving your country? Lazy people who don't vote should really shut their mouths when it comes to talking about politics.

hmmm, lazy. lets see, i have a 40 hour per week job and do not collect welfare or anything else for free. yeah i am lazy

So you dont have time to vote (or register to vote) but you have time to trade on the forums and send out money/hardware?
Sounds like your priorities are out of whack.

imagine if a lot of others in this country had my priorities.....

Thank God they don't, we don't need more lazy people who aren't going to vote.

im pretty sure the majority of people that can vote dont, voter turnout has and most likely always will be crap