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Anyone in a Parttime MBA or eMBA program here?fulltime MBA? (USC/UCLA preferred)

ajtyeh

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I'm doing it. I'm going to start studying for my GMATs and plan for a 2011 parttime MBA program. i'm considering UCLA/USC as my top two choices since im in Socal.

took my first practice math portion of the test and got a complete bonerrrrrrrr got a 33/37 on my first shot .... now to do the verbal/essay portion... which ill probaly fail..

i'm asian and only good at math.

so please tell me your experience in applying to mba programs and any pointers/ suggestions would be nice.

Also, i think i already missed the 1st deadline for both (around early november) but 2nd deadline is feburary. Do the 2nd/3rd deadlines have a lower acceptance rate?
 
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I graduated from University of Maryland: College Park, Smith business school with a double degree in Finance and Logistics/Supply Chain management with a 3.3 (i know its horrible).

Went to work in a accelerated leadership track in contracts/ for the Navy in Wash D.C. for 2 years. Then i went to Edwards AFB in Socal for another 2 years and got promoted to a Contracting Officer (the guy that signs all the contracts). Considering the average age of a Federal Contracting Officer is probaly around 35-40 (my guess). I'm only 24 with a $10 million dollar warrant. My supervisors say im on the fast track to becoming a leader.

So i know my job resume is very slim. But i feel like most Goverment folks dont get real MBA's. I see everyone around me (maybe 95&#37😉 getting an online degree. I think online degree's are defintely not for me. I was thinking about either going to the pentagon and eventually becomign a GS15/SES (top level managment) or private. So i feel like a top tier mba program would be more fitting.
 
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I wouldn't say your experience is NOT thin at all. If you are on the fast track already why would you want to leave to goto school full time? Seems like a step backward.
 
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What does a $10 million dollar warrant mean?

Short answer: A certificate of appointment under the authority of the Gov that i am authorized to enter the US Gov into any contract or contractual obligation worth up to $10 million bucks.


In Goverment contracting (particularly federal, thats all i know) you have entry/mid/senior level guys called contract specialist. they pretty much do the same work, but once senior execs feel you are trustworthy enough/smart enough/knowledgable enough they ask you to get a warrant which is authority to sign contracts.

If i have a limited warrant that means i can legally bind the Gov to any contract worth up to $10 mill. Warrants range from $100k to 2 mill/10mill/50mill/unlimited.

I had to to be interviewed by 2 air force colonel's/ top GS 15 execs to get the warrant and pass a difficult 4 hour exam. Also secret clearance and higher is required for most DoD warrants.
 
I wouldn't say your experience is thin at all. If you are on the fast track already why would you want to leave to goto school full time? Seems like a step backward.

Well to climb or get promoted to mid level management, an MBA or some sort of masters/ JD is required. I dont want it just to have a piece of paper. I want a real MBA that i put alot of effort into getting. Not that online MBAs are easy, but rather i know i would not learn as much online when compared to a B&M MBA. Also i want to get into a top tier school... so that if i decide to go to private i will have more connections and more opportunites there.
 
Well to climb or get promoted to mid level management, an MBA or some sort of masters/ JD is required. I dont want it just to have a piece of paper. I want a real MBA that i put alot of effort into getting. Not that online MBAs are easy, but rather i know i would not learn as much online when compared to a B&M MBA. Also i want to get into a top tier school... so that if i decide to go to private i will have more connections and more opportunites there.

I understand the need to get an MBA eventually. I really understand that piece. However the part of it being just a piece of paper is where I think my view splits from yours. I work for a fortune 50 and having seen the promotions and resumes of management over the years, yes they almost all have some MBA or masters degree. Very few(<10&#37😉 of our top execs have top tier MBAs. They have decades of experience though(within the company).

What are you really going to learn in business school that you can't learn on the job? Especially with how fast you seem to be advancing.

Just another point of view I guess. I do plan on getting an MBA or some masters just to have it to pad my resume. I don't expect to get much out of it.
 
An eMBA program would be difficult to get into, if not impossible, given your age. The people admitted for those programs are nearly or already in executive positions and have had like 15-20 years experience working and multiple management positions - so think of classmates that are in their late 30s and 40s, maybe even early 50s.

I do know people who have done or are currently completing part time MBAs. The guy I know who completed a part time program said that he wishes he would have just quit working for 2 years and done a full-time program to get more out of it. The guy I know currently completing his part time MBA said it's pretty difficult balancing full time work responsibilities with school work, but if you can do it, more power to you since you won't lose out on 2 years of compensation and have a $100,000 tuition/living expense.
 
If you're going part time, don't waste your money @USC. The "top-tier" programs charge a stellar buttload and the education isn't that much more valuable; you pay for the connections. Unfortunately many top-tier full time programs aren't necessarily related to top tier part time programs; part time students typically want a different experience.

If you do go part time be prepared for a metric shit-ton of work. You won't have much of a social life if you work full time and go to school half time. Be prepared to basically give up 3 years of your life.

When studying for your GMAT, spend more time on the verbal/written portion. There are many MBA students who have an engineering background and they throw the curve off on both sections- they raise the curve on math and lower it on verbal. I got more answers right on math than I did on verbal and scored higher on verbal since the engineers can't write. Additionally since many MBA programs are inundated with engineer/business types who view the degree as the only path to upper management they tend to look more favorable on students with writing skills as they are becoming more rare in the industry. Unless you want to be a quant or banking monkey your gross computational skills matter a lot less than your ability to convey an idea verbally or in writing in an effective manner.
 
I was in a part time MBA program (not online but state university) a few years ago.

The only thing I can tell you is budget your time between work and school wisely. Like others said, by the time you are done with full time work and part time school, you won't have much time left. I hope you are single because I don't know how you would be able to do it if you are married with kid(s).

It will not be easy but worth it. Good luck from a MBA grad.
 
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I graduated from University of Maryland: College Park, Smith business school with a double degree in Finance and Logistics/Supply Chain management with a 3.3 (i know its horrible).

Went to work in a accelerated leadership track in contracts/ for the Navy in Wash D.C. for 2 years. Then i went to Edwards AFB in Socal for another 2 years and got promoted to a Contracting Officer (the guy that signs all the contracts). Considering the average age of a Federal Contracting Officer is probaly around 35-40 (my guess). I'm only 24 with a $10 million dollar warrant. My supervisors say im on the fast track to becoming a leader.

So i know my job resume is very slim. But i feel like most Goverment folks dont get real MBA's. I see everyone around me (maybe 95%) getting an online degree. I think online degree's are defintely not for me. I was thinking about either going to the pentagon and eventually becomign a GS15/SES (top level managment) or private. So i feel like a top tier mba program would be more fitting.

I wouldn't exactly call your job resume slim. I would even go as far as to say you have an edge due to military business background candidates being slim to none. B-schools love people with rare/special backgrounds. I say get a very high GMAT score and you have a great shot at Marshall or Anderson.
 
I wouldn't exactly call your job resume slim. I would even go as far as to say you have an edge due to military business background candidates being slim to none. B-schools love people with rare/special backgrounds. I say get a very high GMAT score and you have a great shot at Marshall or Anderson.
I thought you were generally against getting an MBA? Changing your tune?
 
I thought you were generally against getting an MBA? Changing your tune?

Nope. I think MBA is a waste of time for most people (esp full time at non-top 10-15). But if he can get into a part time program at USC/UCLA and get it paid by Uncle Sam, its hard to argue against.
 
Well to climb or get promoted to mid level management, an MBA or some sort of masters/ JD is required. I dont want it just to have a piece of paper. I want a real MBA that i put alot of effort into getting. Not that online MBAs are easy, but rather i know i would not learn as much online when compared to a B&M MBA. Also i want to get into a top tier school... so that if i decide to go to private i will have more connections and more opportunites there.

What about doing a part-tiime MBA? Could you get some kind of tuition reimbursement? That's what I did and had my company pay a good chunk of it. A nice thing about part-time is that you'll find lots of other working students. Great for networking and being able to use real-life experiences is very valuable.

I found as I got closer to graduating and being mixed with full time students, most weren't able to translate school teaching to real-life situations when it came to assignments and group projects.
 
thegimp03: i understand eMBA's are for executives with 15-20 years of exerience. but some schools call their part time programs eMBA anyhow.

I also understand part time programs are not exactly comparable to full time programs. BUT.... UCLA and USC rank #2 and #19 in Businessweek's part time program. I think that says alot.

Also JS80, uncle sam is going to foot a good 10-15k a year so i'lll fork over the other 15ish per year. Also i'm a GS12 in socal so im making 77k (this is public info), single, no car bill, ill be able to afford the rest of the tuition. I figure after 3 years. I'll be a GS13, with an MBA from usc/ucla, great resume, and my options are endless where i want to head from there.
 
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thegimp03: i understand eMBA's are for executives with 15-20 years of exerience. but some schools call their part time programs eMBA anyhow.

I also understand part time programs are not exactly comparable to full time programs. BUT.... UCLA and USC rank #2 and #19 in Businessweek's part time program. I think that says alot.

Also JS80, uncle sam is going to foot a good 10-15k a year so i'lll fork over the other 15ish per year. Also i'm a GS12 in socal so im making 77k (this is public info), single, no car bill, ill be able to afford the rest of the tuition. I figure after 3 years. I'll be a GS13, with an MBA from usc/ucla, great resume, and my options are endless where i want to head from there.

Would you be pretty much holed into federal contracting? Although I guess you can expand your wings to private companies that want federal contracts. I have a buddy (from LA actually) that quit his career as an accountant five years ago to start a consulting firm in DC specializing in government contracts that favor minority owners (he is Asian). He's banking it in right now.
 
Full-time MBA right now. Just finishing up, although I'm in Canada.

My main pointer wrt the GMAT was said before: Do as well as you can on verbal. Also, I'd recommend the princeton review cracking the gmat book as it has a lot of tips on how to actually take the test (which is just as important as knowing the stuff).
 
Would you be pretty much holed into federal contracting? Although I guess you can expand your wings to private companies that want federal contracts. I have a buddy (from LA actually) that quit his career as an accountant five years ago to start a consulting firm in DC specializing in government contracts that favor minority owners (he is Asian). He's banking it in right now.

do you know what his consulting firm does exactly?
what does he do with the govt contracts?
 
do you know what his consulting firm does exactly?
what does he do with the govt contracts?

Frankly he was very vague/secretive when he tried explaining it to me what "consulting" he exactly did. As I understood it, it was leveraging government giving preference to minority owned businesses. I'll ask him more details when I see him next time.
 
Frankly he was very vague/secretive when he tried explaining it to me what "consulting" he exactly did. As I understood it, it was leveraging government giving preference to minority owned businesses. I'll ask him more details when I see him next time.

It's not vague, it's just hard to explain. He works for an 8(a), most likely, so my guess is that his firm chases contracts with set-asides for that group of businesses - 8(a), HUBZone, SDV, etc. They either try to get on a prime's bid as a sub, or bid as prime and usually sub it out. Sometimes, these firms use their 8(a) status to win a contract, then sub it out to a larger firm that does all of the work. See the recent GTSI debacle for an example of how this isn't supposed to work.

This is different than the kind of work the OP does. The OP, most likely, is an 1102 - a contract specialist. He does a lot of the heavy lifting with procurement efforts, some of which might be set aside for firm's like your friend's. If OP were to go to the private sector, his lateral role would probably be a contracts manager or proposal manager (or both). The FAR/DFARS are very complicated, so government-trained folks in this specialty can do pretty well. I'm told by others that the private sector pays pretty well for a seasoned 1102, but I don't personally know anyone that has made the jump. There might be another member on these forums that can tell you more, if he happens to see this thread.

OP - my advice to you is along these lines. You're doing well. You're 24 and already a GS-12 with a $10MM warrant. I'm guessing you're damn close to your Acq/Con Level III cert. An MBA fits if you want to keep going, or maybe even diversify your options a little bit. Try to get a top tier degree, because there is a dropoff, but the most important thing (IMHO) is that you do not take on too much debt to do it. You might also consider a JD, but again, the school's rank and your grades still matter. You might think that your resume will get you in at a firm, but it won't - no matter your experience (barring something really big), they hire on class rank and the comparative rank of your school. Government, long said to be a "fallback" is still very competitive. I know first hand, and I took on a lot of debt to get my law degree, as well as having a very strong resume. Overall, no one treats you as good as Uncle Sam when it comes to work-life balance, benefits, and people (depending on where you are).

Have you considered applying to some of the development programs in the Department? Something like ELDP?
 
It's not vague, it's just hard to explain. He works for an 8(a), most likely, so my guess is that his firm chases contracts with set-asides for that group of businesses - 8(a), HUBZone, SDV, etc. They either try to get on a prime's bid as a sub, or bid as prime and usually sub it out. Sometimes, these firms use their 8(a) status to win a contract, then sub it out to a larger firm that does all of the work. See the recent GTSI debacle for an example of how this isn't supposed to work.

lol Larry is that you?

Very well explained. I think this is exactly what he does. He's a "SBA-Certified 8(a)."
 
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