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Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: LordSegan
I suggest you STFU, grow a pair, get your degree, and act like a man. When you are 25, if all you want to do is smoke pot, you will have a good 40-50 years to do that. A BA from a good school is hard to replace in this day and age.

a piece of paper that says you're smart, while worth something, isn't nearly as much as what you actually know. there has to be some difference between a D student receiving a BA and an A student doing the same. it isn't so much the college as it is the person, IMO - you get out what you put in :)
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: boredhokie
Ohh man I am SO smart, this college just doesn't appreciate my genius intellect! Being a rich boy who never had any real hardships, I feel guilty and enjoy making the motions of being helpful to society (as long as I don't get shot at LOL). Won't someone give me the advice that I'm not really looking for? I have some new words I looked up that I want to use!

What are you talking about? As long as I don't get shot at? I have always sought out the worst areas to do youth outreach programs, and being in a middle-upperclass area is one of the reasons that I am not enjoying college because it limits the different opportunities for me to explore social work.

Why makes you think I'm looking to demonstrate my superior writing skills and vocabulary? The bullet points and poor grammar? The admission of my writing failures in school?

It is this type of unprovoked anger that bothers me.

"He suddenly recalled how he had once in the past been asked, 'Why do you hate so and so, so much?' And he had answered them, with his shameless impudence, 'I'll tell you. He has done me no harm. But I played him a dirty trick, and ever since I have hated him.'"
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: JEDI
how is this thread like catcher in the rye ?

I'm a lonely white kid from a good background who is performing mediocre in school even though I'm narcissistic in believing I'm a genius, while everyone else is just a phony.

You really do greatly overestimate yourself

Drop out of college if that's what you want to do. Your grades suck, so sticking around really won't do you any good anyway. Northwestern is alright, it's not like you're at the greatest school ever. Go find something that you want to do
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: JEDI
how is this thread like catcher in the rye ?

I'm a lonely white kid from a good background who is performing mediocre in school even though I'm narcissistic in believing I'm a genius, while everyone else is just a phony.

You really do greatly overestimate yourself

Drop out of college if that's what you want to do. Your grades suck, so sticking around really won't do you any good anyway. Northwestern is alright, it's not like you're at the greatest school ever. Go find something that you want to do

The paradoxical use of narcissistic was intended to be self-depricating to acknowledge that I'm not any smarter than most people in school. In fact, I'm far from the best or brightest, but so have a deep 24/7 passion for my interests that I find redeeming.
Thank you for the advice.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
do you have a core group of friends?

Not particularly. 1 close friend, a handful of decent friends who I don't hang with too much, and then a large number of people I'll say hi to or would be fine just sitting down at their table in the cafeteria.
I can't really invite people to come hang out and shoot the breeze in my room, play videogames, etc... because my roommate is there watching Chronicles of Narnia for the 12th time or sleeping from 8-4am on a Saturday night (Like he did tonight while I went out)
 

s0ssos

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so, if you're smart, you don't need college. at least in tech. look at bill gates. he dropped out.
in tech we value intelligence above all else. the problem is, sometimes it's hard for people to see your intelligence. as in, they just met you right now for the first time. so, degrees and stuff (master's don't mean anything. phd's do) help you get your foot in the door. otherwise, you can work your way up.
one guy in our company got a BS in chemical engineering, then started working at my firm as a applications engineer (support, basically). my firm does EE stuff, process equipment. he did really well, really put himself into it. then he asked to be transferred to research. EVERYBODY in research has a phd. and in some related field, not chem E (i guess chem E is somewhat related to process, lots of chemistry involved, like in polishing and stuff). and he got it. then he worked really hard there. and finally, he got a product engineer position at micron, where he is responsible for a memory chip. his very own. and he doesn't even have an EE background, other than learning what he did on the job.
so, that's a more realistic story than bill gates. because there are very few bill gates. some people are obviously the bill gates of today. but from reading what you wrote, sorry, it doesn't seem like you are one of them.
but it seems your interest is not in technology first and foremost, but rather policy? policy as ceo policy? or policy as lawmaker/ngo policy? cause that is a different path. and one most of here at AT probably don't know too much about.

and why do you think just because you go to stanford or harvard it'll be better? there are still dumb people there. won't mention any famous examples though. but there are dumb people everywhere.
and grading is subjective. hey, it's life! the really smart, brilliant, excellent people can do well everywhere. that's why they are so excellent. they never have to give excuses "the teacher didn't like me" or anything, cause they impress everybody. that's what makes a writer great. a talented writer will impress most of the people. and some will say he sucks. a great writer will impress everybody. some may dislike what he's writing, but they will all acknowledge that he's great (now that may not really be true, cause most people are acknowledged after they are dead ...). so, if you can't succeed at northwestern, i doubt you can succeed elsewhere. as in, succeed in going towards your great goals. you need to be able to do well everywhere you go, even if you hate it.
and, as for travelling: that is a good idea if you're going into policy. you'll learn lots more about other culture (something americans are horrible at), expand your mind, see how the real world works (yea, there's more of the world than just north america). but, if you want to go into tech, you'll fall miserably behind.
and lastly, but sort of important-it appears you aren't really interested in technology. a lot of us (most of us) like tech and all its ideas (CS is great. where else can your words create a whole new universe?). but you like people. helping them, caring for them. making a difference in the world.
well, someone i know decided that was more important, and went down the path of becoming a doctor instead. and there are many fields where you can make a personal difference in people's lives, though to me it seems like a doctor is one of the best choices, cause you can go anywhere in the world almost.
but think about what you really want to do in this world.
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or, the easier to read version, suggested by whisper:
so, if you're smart, you don't need college. at least in tech. look at bill gates. he dropped out.

in tech we value intelligence above all else. the problem is, sometimes it's hard for people to see your intelligence. as in, they just met you right now for the first time. so, degrees and stuff (master's don't mean anything. phd's do) help you get your foot in the door. otherwise, you can work your way up.

one guy in our company got a BS in chemical engineering, then started working at my firm as a applications engineer (support, basically). my firm does EE stuff, process equipment. he did really well, really put himself into it. then he asked to be transferred to research. EVERYBODY in research has a phd. and in some related field, not chem E (i guess chem E is somewhat related to process, lots of chemistry involved, like in polishing and stuff). and he got it. then he worked really hard there. and finally, he got a product engineer position at micron, where he is responsible for a memory chip. his very own. and he doesn't even have an EE background, other than learning what he did on the job.

so, that's a more realistic story than bill gates. because there are very few bill gates. some people are obviously the bill gates of today. but from reading what you wrote, sorry, it doesn't seem like you are one of them.

but it seems your interest is not in technology first and foremost, but rather policy? policy as ceo policy? or policy as lawmaker/ngo policy? cause that is a different path. and one most of here at AT probably don't know too much about.

and why do you think just because you go to stanford or harvard it'll be better? there are still dumb people there. won't mention any famous examples though. but there are dumb people everywhere.

and grading is subjective. hey, it's life! the really smart, brilliant, excellent people can do well everywhere. that's why they are so excellent. they never have to give excuses "the teacher didn't like me" or anything, cause they impress everybody. that's what makes a writer great. a talented writer will impress most of the people. and some will say he sucks. a great writer will impress everybody. some may dislike what he's writing, but they will all acknowledge that he's great (now that may not really be true, cause most people are acknowledged after they are dead ...). so, if you can't succeed at northwestern, i doubt you can succeed elsewhere. as in, succeed in going towards your great goals. you need to be able to do well everywhere you go, even if you hate it.

and, as for travelling: that is a good idea if you're going into policy. you'll learn lots more about other culture (something americans are horrible at), expand your mind, see how the real world works (yea, there's more of the world than just north america). but, if you want to go into tech, you'll fall miserably behind.
and lastly, but sort of important-it appears you aren't really interested in technology. a lot of us (most of us) like tech and all its ideas (CS is great. where else can your words create a whole new universe?). but you like people. helping them, caring for them. making a difference in the world.

well, someone i know decided that was more important, and went down the path of becoming a doctor instead. and there are many fields where you can make a personal difference in people's lives, though to me it seems like a doctor is one of the best choices, cause you can go anywhere in the world almost.
but think about what you really want to do in this world.
 

s0ssos

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
I'm kind of one of those people who doesn't really do anything for fun. The closest things I do to fun are play computer games (Simcity is the latest one, Homeworld 2 before that), watch TV, or kill time on Anandtech. I've never been especially social. If I'm with more than maybe 2 other people, and they start talking, I just feel like clamping my hands over my ears and screaming, "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!". I just can't stand it when multiple people are talking at once. And this campus, probably like most campuses, is designed for social people. The activities, the living arrangements, even some of the homework, is meant to keep everyone in close proximity.
So anyway, this lack of having fun kind of makes it tough for me to find a major. I picked ME/MET because I'm generally good at working with inanimate objects, and I also keep seeing ways of improving existing designs, or just finding better, more efficient ways of doing things. People also tell me that I think about things too much, or I'll overthink things more than anyone else. I'm hoping that that'll be an asset with engineering.

you know, i always wondered about people like you. i mean, how do you exist without other people? you go against the whole "no man is an island" phrase

 

Brackis

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To clarify... I stated my affinity for Harvard and Stanford was based on my experiences with school funded academic achievement programs for inner-city youth in the surrounding areas. I'm from Boston and work fulltime at a program there, and then lived near Stanford and worked at their program. Both took kids from some of the worst areas and gave them access to college tennis courts for tennis instruction and 1 on 1 or small group tutoring from undergraduates. I would like to continue at one of these programs.

This is my fault for not considering the socioeconomic status of the areas surrounding campus prior to applying and enrolling in college.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: s0ssos
so, if you're smart, you don't need college. at least in tech. look at bill gates. he dropped out.
in tech we value intelligence above all else. the problem is, sometimes it's hard for people to see your intelligence. as in, they just met you right now for the first time. so, degrees and stuff (master's don't mean anything. phd's do) help you get your foot in the door. otherwise, you can work your way up.
one guy in our company got a BS in chemical engineering, then started working at my firm as a applications engineer (support, basically). my firm does EE stuff, process equipment. he did really well, really put himself into it. then he asked to be transferred to research. EVERYBODY in research has a phd. and in some related field, not chem E (i guess chem E is somewhat related to process, lots of chemistry involved, like in polishing and stuff). and he got it. then he worked really hard there. and finally, he got a product engineer position at micron, where he is responsible for a memory chip. his very own. and he doesn't even have an EE background, other than learning what he did on the job.
so, that's a more realistic story than bill gates. because there are very few bill gates. some people are obviously the bill gates of today. but from reading what you wrote, sorry, it doesn't seem like you are one of them.
but it seems your interest is not in technology first and foremost, but rather policy? policy as ceo policy? or policy as lawmaker/ngo policy? cause that is a different path. and one most of here at AT probably don't know too much about.

and why do you think just because you go to stanford or harvard it'll be better? there are still dumb people there. won't mention any famous examples though. but there are dumb people everywhere.
and grading is subjective. hey, it's life! the really smart, brilliant, excellent people can do well everywhere. that's why they are so excellent. they never have to give excuses "the teacher didn't like me" or anything, cause they impress everybody. that's what makes a writer great. a talented writer will impress most of the people. and some will say he sucks. a great writer will impress everybody. some may dislike what he's writing, but they will all acknowledge that he's great (now that may not really be true, cause most people are acknowledged after they are dead ...). so, if you can't succeed at northwestern, i doubt you can succeed elsewhere. as in, succeed in going towards your great goals. you need to be able to do well everywhere you go, even if you hate it.
and, as for travelling: that is a good idea if you're going into policy. you'll learn lots more about other culture (something americans are horrible at), expand your mind, see how the real world works (yea, there's more of the world than just north america). but, if you want to go into tech, you'll fall miserably behind.
and lastly, but sort of important-it appears you aren't really interested in technology. a lot of us (most of us) like tech and all its ideas (CS is great. where else can your words create a whole new universe?). but you like people. helping them, caring for them. making a difference in the world.
well, someone i know decided that was more important, and went down the path of becoming a doctor instead. and there are many fields where you can make a personal difference in people's lives, though to me it seems like a doctor is one of the best choices, cause you can go anywhere in the world almost.
but think about what you really want to do in this world.

I honestly find it hard to read something formatted so poorly. And this is by no means a personal attack, but to get your point across in anything you do, it really is necessary to learn how to properly format sentences and paragraphs.

Beyond that, as far as I could make it into the post, I will say that people I've met with masters are, in some instances, better in their research methodologies than people with Ph.D's; it really depends on the bend of the program from which they've received their degrees.

As far as the OP goes, do whatever makes you happy. However, also realize that sometimes, what makes you happy isn't always going to be what's most enjoyable for you. All worthwhile things in life require sacrifice; that's what makes them so worthwhile to begin with.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: Brackis
To clarify... I stated my affinity for Harvard and Stanford was based on my experiences with school funded academic achievement programs for inner-city youth in the surrounding areas. I'm from Boston and work fulltime at a program there, and then lived near Stanford and worked at their program. I would like to continue at one of these programs.

This is my fault for not considering the socioeconomic status of the areas surrounding campus prior to applying and enrolling in college.

Honestly, I'd say it wouldn't be hard finding programs aiding under-privileged youths in any area, low SES or not.
 

snes tor

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I quit going to college after a year, and got a job maintaining offsite customer backups. Did that for about 6months then one day they asked me to tag along as a field tech. Liked my work so much, Now I make a decent amount a year get to travel all over the U.S. repairing Wireless Networks and such. They're now sending me back to school (fully paid) to gain a degree. :) I couln't be happier right now.

But like you, I was a slacker in High School. did just enough to get by. Went to college on my parents money, and didn't notice a point to me going.

Just wing it, life will fall into place.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Brackis
To clarify... I stated my affinity for Harvard and Stanford was based on my experiences with school funded academic achievement programs for inner-city youth in the surrounding areas. I'm from Boston and work fulltime at a program there, and then lived near Stanford and worked at their program. I would like to continue at one of these programs.

This is my fault for not considering the socioeconomic status of the areas surrounding campus prior to applying and enrolling in college.

Honestly, I'd say it wouldn't be hard finding programs aiding under-privileged youths in any area, low SES or not.

The northern suburbs of Chicago are almost all white, upper and middle class. Then you get into downtown Chicago, and the the southside is where all the minorities live. The other limitation is that the school is nestled against lake Michigan, so there's less surrounding community. The median income for a household in the city was $56,335, and the median income for a family was $78,886. Males had a median income of $51,726 versus $39,767 for females. The per capita income for the city was $33,645

Compared to where I lived before East Palo Alto where the median income for a household in the city was $45,006, and the median income for a family was $44,342. Males had a median income of $26,631 versus $27,044 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,774. All of this coming in a part of the country with a much greater cost of living.

Clearly I felt like a much more useful human being when the community actually needed help.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Brackis
To clarify... I stated my affinity for Harvard and Stanford was based on my experiences with school funded academic achievement programs for inner-city youth in the surrounding areas. I'm from Boston and work fulltime at a program there, and then lived near Stanford and worked at their program. I would like to continue at one of these programs.

This is my fault for not considering the socioeconomic status of the areas surrounding campus prior to applying and enrolling in college.

Honestly, I'd say it wouldn't be hard finding programs aiding under-privileged youths in any area, low SES or not.

The northern suburbs of Chicago are almost all white, upper and middle class. Then you get into downtown Chicago, and the the southside is where all the minorities live. The other limitation is that the school is nestled against lake Michigan, so there's less surrounding community. The median income for a household in the city was $56,335, and the median income for a family was $78,886. Males had a median income of $51,726 versus $39,767 for females. The per capita income for the city was $33,645

Compared to where I lived before East Palo Alto where the median income for a household in the city was $45,006, and the median income for a family was $44,342. Males had a median income of $26,631 versus $27,044 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,774. All of this coming in a part of the country with a much greater cost of living.

Clearly I felt like a much more useful human being when the community actually needed help.

Just because people are making more money (on average) doesn't mean there aren't people who need help. Less-fortunate is less-fortunate, regardless of the surrounding community.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Brackis
To clarify... I stated my affinity for Harvard and Stanford was based on my experiences with school funded academic achievement programs for inner-city youth in the surrounding areas. I'm from Boston and work fulltime at a program there, and then lived near Stanford and worked at their program. I would like to continue at one of these programs.

This is my fault for not considering the socioeconomic status of the areas surrounding campus prior to applying and enrolling in college.

Honestly, I'd say it wouldn't be hard finding programs aiding under-privileged youths in any area, low SES or not.

The northern suburbs of Chicago are almost all white, upper and middle class. Then you get into downtown Chicago, and the the southside is where all the minorities live. The other limitation is that the school is nestled against lake Michigan, so there's less surrounding community. The median income for a household in the city was $56,335, and the median income for a family was $78,886. Males had a median income of $51,726 versus $39,767 for females. The per capita income for the city was $33,645

Compared to where I lived before East Palo Alto where the median income for a household in the city was $45,006, and the median income for a family was $44,342. Males had a median income of $26,631 versus $27,044 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,774. All of this coming in a part of the country with a much greater cost of living.

Clearly I felt like a much more useful human being when the community actually needed help.

Just because people are making more money (on average) doesn't mean there aren't people who need help. Less-fortunate is less-fortunate, regardless of the surrounding community.

Correct, but as a student I am only as helpful to the community as the established 501(c)3's which have already been established and need volunteers. :(
Maybe I'll just try to get a job doing Katrina cleanup?
 

fire400

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Alright, I've read things on this thread, and I'm determined that if the Op still drops out of college after reading all of these insightful things - and ENDS UP IN THE TRAILER HOME DOWN BY THE RIVER for the rest of this life - I will feel sorry for him.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: fire400
Alright, I've read things on this thread, and I'm determined that if the Op still drops out of college after reading all of these insightful things - and ENDS UP IN THE TRAILER HOME DOWN BY THE RIVER for the rest of this life - I will feel sorry for him.

I don't smoke... perhaps you've had a few drinks?
On one hand I appreciate that you would feel bad for me, yet on the other I consider the question "Why feel pity for one person if they end up in this situation, and not all people who partake in such trivial lives regardless of their 'potential' ?"
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Brackis
To clarify... I stated my affinity for Harvard and Stanford was based on my experiences with school funded academic achievement programs for inner-city youth in the surrounding areas. I'm from Boston and work fulltime at a program there, and then lived near Stanford and worked at their program. I would like to continue at one of these programs.

This is my fault for not considering the socioeconomic status of the areas surrounding campus prior to applying and enrolling in college.

Honestly, I'd say it wouldn't be hard finding programs aiding under-privileged youths in any area, low SES or not.

The northern suburbs of Chicago are almost all white, upper and middle class. Then you get into downtown Chicago, and the the southside is where all the minorities live. The other limitation is that the school is nestled against lake Michigan, so there's less surrounding community. The median income for a household in the city was $56,335, and the median income for a family was $78,886. Males had a median income of $51,726 versus $39,767 for females. The per capita income for the city was $33,645

Compared to where I lived before East Palo Alto where the median income for a household in the city was $45,006, and the median income for a family was $44,342. Males had a median income of $26,631 versus $27,044 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,774. All of this coming in a part of the country with a much greater cost of living.

Clearly I felt like a much more useful human being when the community actually needed help.

Just because people are making more money (on average) doesn't mean there aren't people who need help. Less-fortunate is less-fortunate, regardless of the surrounding community.

Correct, but as a student I am only as helpful to the community as the established 501(c)3's which have already been established and need volunteers. :(
Maybe I'll just try to get a job doing Katrina cleanup?

Katrina clean-up is always a possibility. Or you could just volunteer at whichever centers you feel to be most-deserving of your help, official status notwithstanding.
 

aidanjm

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Finding meaningful work or a meaningful life can be really hard work. Some people never find it.
 

s0ssos

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: s0ssos
so, if you're smart, you don't need college. at least in tech. look at bill gates. he dropped out.

in tech we value intelligence above all else. the problem is, sometimes it's hard for people to see your intelligence. as in, they just met you right now for the first time. so, degrees and stuff (master's don't mean anything. phd's do) help you get your foot in the door. otherwise, you can work your way up.

one guy in our company got a BS in chemical engineering, then started working at my firm as a applications engineer (support, basically). my firm does EE stuff, process equipment. he did really well, really put himself into it. then he asked to be transferred to research. EVERYBODY in research has a phd. and in some related field, not chem E (i guess chem E is somewhat related to process, lots of chemistry involved, like in polishing and stuff). and he got it. then he worked really hard there. and finally, he got a product engineer position at micron, where he is responsible for a memory chip. his very own. and he doesn't even have an EE background, other than learning what he did on the job.

so, that's a more realistic story than bill gates. because there are very few bill gates. some people are obviously the bill gates of today. but from reading what you wrote, sorry, it doesn't seem like you are one of them.

but it seems your interest is not in technology first and foremost, but rather policy? policy as ceo policy? or policy as lawmaker/ngo policy? cause that is a different path. and one most of here at AT probably don't know too much about.

and why do you think just because you go to stanford or harvard it'll be better? there are still dumb people there. won't mention any famous examples though. but there are dumb people everywhere.

and grading is subjective. hey, it's life! the really smart, brilliant, excellent people can do well everywhere. that's why they are so excellent. they never have to give excuses "the teacher didn't like me" or anything, cause they impress everybody. that's what makes a writer great. a talented writer will impress most of the people. and some will say he sucks. a great writer will impress everybody. some may dislike what he's writing, but they will all acknowledge that he's great (now that may not really be true, cause most people are acknowledged after they are dead ...). so, if you can't succeed at northwestern, i doubt you can succeed elsewhere. as in, succeed in going towards your great goals. you need to be able to do well everywhere you go, even if you hate it.

and, as for travelling: that is a good idea if you're going into policy. you'll learn lots more about other culture (something americans are horrible at), expand your mind, see how the real world works (yea, there's more of the world than just north america). but, if you want to go into tech, you'll fall miserably behind.
and lastly, but sort of important-it appears you aren't really interested in technology. a lot of us (most of us) like tech and all its ideas (CS is great. where else can your words create a whole new universe?). but you like people. helping them, caring for them. making a difference in the world.

well, someone i know decided that was more important, and went down the path of becoming a doctor instead. and there are many fields where you can make a personal difference in people's lives, though to me it seems like a doctor is one of the best choices, cause you can go anywhere in the world almost.
but think about what you really want to do in this world.

I honestly find it hard to read something formatted so poorly. And this is by no means a personal attack, but to get your point across in anything you do, it really is necessary to learn how to properly format sentences and paragraphs.

Beyond that, as far as I could make it into the post, I will say that people I've met with masters are, in some instances, better in their research methodologies than people with Ph.D's; it really depends on the bend of the program from which they've received their degrees.

As far as the OP goes, do whatever makes you happy. However, also realize that sometimes, what makes you happy isn't always going to be what's most enjoyable for you. All worthwhile things in life require sacrifice; that's what makes them so worthwhile to begin with.

yea, i understand.

the main problem is it isn't right-justified (if that's the correct term). then, you can tell where new paragraphs begin. but as it is, i don't indent space out new paragraphs. i space out new thoughts.
 

DrPizza

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The solution is pretty simple: transfer to a smaller college/university where you're not simply a number.

Try to imagine this for a moment: you have class at 11 am. No one in your class has a 1pm class... you prof takes the entire class to pizza hut (requiring two tables to be pushed together to accomodate a party of 9 people) for lunch, and you continue to learn about (subject) during lunch. Two of my profs did that during my undergrad years. I played ping-pong with a couple profs one afternoon... The profs cared about the students, and graded their own tests. TA? wtf is that? ;)

I can compare that to a school that was at the absolute top in my first field of study... there was a major breakthrough in superconductors, and suddenly every class was taught by a TA; some of whom hadn't taken English as a Second Language yet.


Also, while I'm at it, since it appears that you enjoy working with students and can deal with working with struggling students for great lengths of time, why don't you work to become a teacher? You can complete your education in about 5-6 years for less money than one year at Northwestern, then depending on the area you choose to teach and live in, you can either live in poverty or have a very nice standard of living.


 

Siddhartha

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Bob Dylan "dropped" out of college.

If you want a job with a company of any size you will be competing with people with degrees. But I suspect that kind of position does not interest you.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: s0ssos
you know, i always wondered about people like you. i mean, how do you exist without other people? you go against the whole "no man is an island" phrase

I find being around other people to be stressful. The numerous social cues, the constant chattering about nothing, it all is just too much to process in realtime to interact "properly". I do best when there is just one other person, whom I can focus my full attention on. If there are others, it gets a bit much trying to just have a conversation without interrupting, which I seem to do a lot. Someone stops talking, and I quickly perceive it as an end-of-thought pause, so I start in, but then they start up with even more. So eventually I just give up and don't say anything at all unless specifically prompted, which rarely happens. In that case, I may simply leave and go do my own thing somewhere else. Generally, people don't even notice that I've left until they are getting ready to leave themselves some time later. Then it's like, "hey, where'd Jeff go?" as if I'd simply vanished.

Or maybe I'm just boring as hell, I don't know. I can be talking with someone, and then one of their friends comes along, and suddenly, our conversation is over. Again, it's like I just disappeared from the room. Given all this, I simply don't care to be bothered with the apparent disrespect I tend to receive, so I just try not to get involved with that which causes me stress - socializing. Continuing to do so would be somewhat masochistic.

No man is an island? I am the sort that can be alone or even invisible in a crowd. Assuming you can get me into a crowd in the first place. :)

 

thomsbrain

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1. Therapy
2. Apartment (WTF are you doing in the dorms if you have 25K in the bank and your gramps are paying for school?)
2. Degree
3. Maturity
4. Profit

even if you want a job that "makes a difference," you'll need a degree. they aren't just for money-grubbers.
 

fishmonger12

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In regards to service academies:

Yes, you can transfer. Your courses will not transfer, you will start from the beginning, but you can still change schools to a service academy. And if you want a position in government or politics, graduating from a service academy and serving in the military for the required amount of time is probably the best way to start such a career.