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Anyone here is skilled enough to answer this question about CPU usage for me?

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john5220

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So I have provided a image here this guy has a core i5 2500k and a 570 GTX nvidia.

He is running marvel heroes and he gets really good performance far far better than what I get with my haswell pentium G which seems to hover around 90% usage while playing yet I can dip to 12 FPS in huge fights while he never goes below 70 fps

Anyways this is his usage while playing a big fight, judging from this shot would you say my haswell Pentium G 3220 is enough to run marvel heroes?

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/kuzepcyqgtzab8n/Untitled.pngMH.png

my video card is a old terrible HD 4870 with 512MB and 512 is the minimum requirements for marvel heroes I am suspecting my gpu ram is the culprit?
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Moving this from CPUs to Computer Help
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It is everything. His CPU usage shows that the game uses most of four cores. You Pentium has higher performance per core, but only two cores.

On the other hand, a GTX 570 is over twice as fast as a HD 4870. That is also a problem for your setup. I would say that your setup is overall on the lower end of what people would consider able to play modern games at all, even at lower settings. I would guess that the HD 4870 is probably slightly more of a problem than the CPU, it is a $299 card from 2008.

Also, the problem isn't just the GPU RAM. Everything about the GPU is slow by 2014 standards: the RAM, the shaders, the ROPs, the triangle rate, etc.
 
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hmmm I see.

I suppose I can invest in a better CPU then. Man am I sorry I didn't buy AMD, you could get a 6 core AMD fx for like $119

jeeze.

But you see I also wanted to play Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 and all AMD CPU regardless of cores do suck in these games. My pentium is way faster in these games.

I also didn't expect a haswell Pentium to be bad. I taught it would be a good CPU

Maybe my GPU is the problem really. I will get a Nvidia card because from feedback on the forums a GTX 650 ti runs marvel heroes perfect
 
Upgrade your GPU to Bonaire(R7 260X) or GM107(750 Ti), your FPS will skyrocket. Both GPUs give off the same or above performance of the HD 5870. The guy who built up the Sea Islands architecture at AMD also built up the Maxwell architecture at Nvidia. So, it is really which one is the more cheaper solution for you at this point.

Hyperthreading's major consumer usage chokes are largely gone with Haswell. It isn't your CPU so just go with a better GPU. It is most likely just the GPU chugging as it outdated and has old inefficient hardware schedulers. The increased usage could either mean more draw calls or the CPU itself is trying to do some of the GPUs work.
 
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Along with the things the others have said, it's worth noting that the Radeon HD 4000 series is no longer supported. It's entirely possible that AMD's old drivers are rubbish for the game in question.
 
john5220 said:
hmmm I see.

I suppose I can invest in a better CPU then. Man am I sorry I didn't buy AMD, you could get a 6 core AMD fx for like $119

jeeze.

But you see I also wanted to play Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 and all AMD CPU regardless of cores do suck in these games. My pentium is way faster in these games.

I also didn't expect a haswell Pentium to be bad. I taught it would be a good CPU

Maybe my GPU is the problem really. I will get a Nvidia card because from feedback on the forums a GTX 650 ti runs marvel heroes perfect
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I think you are on the right track here. For a gaming person, you really do want a better and newer video card. Once you get s 650 or better, you probably will see that the CPU is a bottleneck. However, that bottleneck may be high enough that (at least for now)it doesn't really matter.
 
From what i see the game uses over 2 cores. The 2500k at 3.3ghz is also faster per core, since the pentium G is at 3ghz, even if it has a little higher IPC, but offset mostly by half the cache. I guess the 2500k on a single thread is 5% slower than a G3220 at the same frequency.

At 2500k stock, with marvel heroes at 61% usage, it means that his cpu is faster by this percentage:
61% cpu usage on 4 cores is the equivalent of 122% usage on 2 cores.
122/90 (cpu usage) * 3.3/3.0(cpu freq) * 0.95 (ipc penalty) = 1.417

2500k on stock, at 61% cpu usage vs a 90% cpu usage on a G3220 is 1.47 times faster.

2500k OC to 4.5ghz, is: 4.5/3.3 * 1.47 = 2.00, meaning that your friend can get double your framerates in the game if he OCed his cpu.
 
thanks guys

Please have a look at this video it gives a small example of what the game looks like in a proper build with Iron Man. Its insane insane explosions and particle effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-YU5tC-Xh0

Now can you picture that same thing with like 7 other users on screen same time with thor and maybe another Iron man?

Would you then say a R7 260x would still be worth it?

Or go for the R9 270 non x? A GTX 650 TI actually runs this game pretty well so I am going to assume the R7 can aswell?

What about a GTX 750 non ti with 1 GB RAM? its $100 on Amazon new.

I think my HD 4870 since its no longer supported by AMD it possibly has really terribad drivers and support for MH which would explain why it performs so badly like an integrated GPU.
 
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Would you then say a R7 260x would still be worth it?

Or go for the R9 270 non x?
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R7 265/270 is really the sweet spot for lower-cost performance right now. Grab one of those and I think you will be very satisfied.🙂
 
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Besides power do the r7 have any advantage over the r9,270 ?

Cause I can afford a r9 270 used off amazon
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Nope. The cards are ordered by performance, so the higher the number the greater the performance.
 
There is actually a way to determine if its CPU or GPU and its worth pursuing before you choose to buy hardware. Get GPU-Z and switch to the sensors tab and you will see GPU usage. During your low frame rate periods if the usage drops below its normal (which should be close to 100%) then its most likely CPU. If on the other hand the GPU usage rises or remains the same during the low FPS period then its most likely your GPU. Simple as that really.
 
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There is actually a way to determine if its CPU or GPU and its worth pursuing before you choose to buy hardware. Get GPU-Z and switch to the sensors tab and you will see GPU usage. During your low frame rate periods if the usage drops below its normal (which should be close to 100%) then its most likely CPU. If on the other hand the GPU usage rises or remains the same during the low FPS period then its most likely your GPU. Simple as that really.
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thanks I used MSI after burner and task manager

and with all settings on super low my GPU usage never crosses 60% however my CPU usage is hitting 100%

At this stage my game runs at around 30 fps

I wonder how well a 6 core AMD will be compared to a i5?

the fx 6300 is so cheap

I however want to buy a new GPU. I think this HD 4870 though was a high end at the time is still too old

funny thing is with the game on super low it looks like such trash nothing is happening on screen so I would atleast expect 60 fps not 30
 
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