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Darien

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As long as I have no schedule conflicts, I should be graduating in May with degrees in Physics & East Asian Languages and Cultures (Japanese) and am thinking about joining the military -- gotta keep options open :). Is it difficult to land a spot doing science/engineering r&d? What's OTS like? Life in general? How to prepare for the AFOQT and the like?

Thanks.
 

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Far away in the south china sea... YEAH?
I left...a girl... with tears in her eyes...
I must go where the brave man dies...
A soldier has to fight the war because he loves his land... YEAH!
A soldier has to fight before he dies... he dies!
Cos we are the ones who hold the guns!
And we are the ones who fight the front!
We are the mighty soldiers of our land... YEAH!

 

CVSiN

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as an officer should have any problem getting the rate you want...
specially officers that dont want to fly or drive a ship etc.. the other rates are harder to fill they offer alot of bonus's to officers in hard to fill jobs...

military was great as an enlisted .. woulda been alot better as an O though =-P
 

jemcam

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I originally enlisted in the Army but went to OCS after two years. In hindsight, I really enjoyed OCS. At the time, I hated it because it was very, very hard. Mentally (scholastically speaking) it wasn't that hard. The lack of sleep, long hours, (usually less than 4 hours sleep for several weeks) physical exertion, and stress that is purposely designed into the program takes it's toll very quickly. That's the whole idea behind OCS though. They create a very stressful situation and then evaluate how you react to it.

Be warned though, less than 50% of a typical OCS class graduate. Most people drop out in the first couple of days. After that, most of the people left are the ones that can handle it, but don't make the grade.

In my Army experience, and this was 15 years ago, Officers go where they're needed. You can request a certain branch, (i.e. aviation, infantry, artillery, finance, admin, transportation, etc.) but if you're needed elsewhere, that's where they'll send you.

And by the way, there's no such thing as a bonus for an Officer. There are for enlisted, but unless the DoD has implemented a new program, I highly doubt that you'll find any bonuses.

Your mileage may vary depending on the branch of service that you choose.

PM me if you'd like more info. I love my experiences in the Army and wouldn't trade it for anything. I'll be the first to say a LOT of it sucked balls at the time, but after you were done with it, you were very proud of yourself and had that cocky walk and feared no one.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Darien
As long as I have no schedule conflicts, I should be graduating in May with degrees in Physics & East Asian Languages and Cultures (Japanese) and am thinking about joining the military -- gotta keep options open :). Is it difficult to land a spot doing science/engineering r&d? What's OTS like? Life in general? How to prepare for the AFOQT and the like?

Thanks.

Suuure... join up... but expect to fight in war... and don't b!tch that you only signed up for the benefits.

-Max
 

Darien

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Darien
As long as I have no schedule conflicts, I should be graduating in May with degrees in Physics & East Asian Languages and Cultures (Japanese) and am thinking about joining the military -- gotta keep options open :). Is it difficult to land a spot doing science/engineering r&d? What's OTS like? Life in general? How to prepare for the AFOQT and the like?

Thanks.

Suuure... join up... but expect to fight in war... and don't b!tch that you only signed up for the benefits.

-Max

I'd imagine that *anyone* who signs up to join the .mil would also expect to fight if needed. It's something I'd expect if I joined.
 

Darien

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Originally posted by: jemcam
I originally enlisted in the Army but went to OCS after two years. In hindsight, I really enjoyed OCS. At the time, I hated it because it was very, very hard. Mentally (scholastically speaking) it wasn't that hard. The lack of sleep, long hours, (usually less than 4 hours sleep for several weeks) physical exertion, and stress that is purposely designed into the program takes it's toll very quickly. That's the whole idea behind OCS though. They create a very stressful situation and then evaluate how you react to it.

Be warned though, less than 50% of a typical OCS class graduate. Most people drop out in the first couple of days. After that, most of the people left are the ones that can handle it, but don't make the grade.

In my Army experience, and this was 15 years ago, Officers go where they're needed. You can request a certain branch, (i.e. aviation, infantry, artillery, finance, admin, transportation, etc.) but if you're needed elsewhere, that's where they'll send you.

What do you exactly do during OCS? What makes it so hard?

And, how do they determine where you're sent once you become an officer?

 

OokiiNeko

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jemcam,
They may not be called "bonuses", but there are most certainly incentives for officers in certain specialities.

Darien,
Army, Air Force and Navy all have extensive research and testing commands (though wading through the acronyms may be tough at times).
Go for it. Depending on the service, might even pay off your student loans as a sign up "incentive".
 

TwoMix

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If you want to do r&d you could look at being a civil servant, but its probably not as exciting though.
 

CVSiN

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In the Navy Doctors and Dentists and other jobs that pay way more in the outside world get extra paygrades when they come in...

most start at Lt cmdr... stead of ensign becasue they could
easily make more in the outside world and the Navy needs these rates..

Navy also does nto do thing like the Army does..
our officers stay in thier trained schools they do not go where they are needed as you say...

The Navy is much more of a mental service than a physical service
so the emphesis in our training is more on schooling and mental toughness than Physical fitness..
The Navy has laughable PRT standards even a 4th grader could get through the Physical..
mile and a half in 12 mins 25 pushups and 60 situps... both in 2 minutes each..

Id look into the Navy or Air Farce as an college educated person looking to be an officer..
 

allisolm

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They may not be called "bonuses", but there are most certainly incentives for officers in certain specialities.

As far as I know, only officers in health fields (medical doctors, nurses, vets, dentists. etc) are elegible for specialty-related incentives.
 

KoolAidKid

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You can also get a civilian job in the military doing R&D. I got one last year, and I like it so far.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Darien
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Darien
As long as I have no schedule conflicts, I should be graduating in May with degrees in Physics & East Asian Languages and Cultures (Japanese) and am thinking about joining the military -- gotta keep options open :). Is it difficult to land a spot doing science/engineering r&d? What's OTS like? Life in general? How to prepare for the AFOQT and the like?

Thanks.

Suuure... join up... but expect to fight in war... and don't b!tch that you only signed up for the benefits.

-Max

I'd imagine that *anyone* who signs up to join the .mil would also expect to fight if needed. It's something I'd expect if I joined.

Ok... in that case you have nothing but my respect and support in your decision.

-Max
 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: Darien
Originally posted by: jemcam
I originally enlisted in the Army but went to OCS after two years. In hindsight, I really enjoyed OCS. At the time, I hated it because it was very, very hard. Mentally (scholastically speaking) it wasn't that hard. The lack of sleep, long hours, (usually less than 4 hours sleep for several weeks) physical exertion, and stress that is purposely designed into the program takes it's toll very quickly. That's the whole idea behind OCS though. They create a very stressful situation and then evaluate how you react to it.

Be warned though, less than 50% of a typical OCS class graduate. Most people drop out in the first couple of days. After that, most of the people left are the ones that can handle it, but don't make the grade.

In my Army experience, and this was 15 years ago, Officers go where they're needed. You can request a certain branch, (i.e. aviation, infantry, artillery, finance, admin, transportation, etc.) but if you're needed elsewhere, that's where they'll send you.

What do you exactly do during OCS? What makes it so hard?

And, how do they determine where you're sent once you become an officer?

The best way I can explain it here is that it's kind of like Basic Training in Full Metal Jacket only much worse. It's really a mental exercise, if you want to pass the course you learn to play the game.

A typical day was usually getting up around 5:00 a.m., get your barracks cleaned up and ready for inspection, get your PT clothes on, get in formation, then PT (physical training) for an hour or so, clean up, change into BDU's (camouflage uniform) have "leadership development training", which is just being yelled at and harassed by the TAC Officers, then go to class after breakfast. Keep in mind that you aren't given any time to do this, yet it is all expected to be done perfectly. All of the above is done by 6:30.

If you had any disciplinary paperwork or reports to complete, they must be turned in now, before breakfast.

Then back to the barracks area for more "leadership development", then on to class by 7:30 or 8:00. Class is on everything from basic Drill & Ceremony to Infantry tactics. This continues on until 11:30 or 12:00, when there is more "leadership development" and lunch. Then, more "leadership development" and back to class by 1:00 or so. Class lasts until 4:30 or 5:00, then it's more "leadership development", assess the carnage in your barracks and clean up from when the TAC Officers destroyed your barracks by throwing all of your sh!t out in street because they found a piece of lint on your bunk. This invariably will require a visit to the TAC Officer's office where you will get reamed and told you won't make it, and then you end up getting assigned a 5 or 10 page paper on how you allowed this to happen and what course of action you are taking to prevent it from happening again. Meanwhile, you've probably been assigned some responsibility like being Company Commander or Executive Officer of your class to put you under more scrutiny. Back to the barracks to clean your stuff up and get it right so it can be inspected again while doing some kind of Infantry training outside with the rest of the class.

This class will continue until about 11:00, until you go back to the barracks, get uniforms ready for the next day, take a shower, take care of any other meetings you have to attend, and complete reports and/or other paperwork. Lights are out at 11:00, but you'll be spit polishing boots and getting ready for the next day until at least midnight by flashlight if you've had an easy day. Usually, you don't actually get to lay down and sleep until about 1:00, but you're so hyped up from all the activity and physical exhaustion you won't get to sleep until 1:30 or 2:00.

Repeat above exercises for 6 weeks, 7 days a week with no break.

Keep in mind you are not allowed to walk anywhere. You run everywhere with all your gear, in a BDU uniform, boots, helmet, briefcase, etc.

It's not fun, but if you complete the course, you're a pretty tough cookie, and you get to walk off the graduation stage with a Gold Bar on your collar.

Congratulations! You're a green second lieutenant, the most dangerous, destructive, and stupidest thing the Army has in it's ranks. Even privates will laugh at you because you're so stressed about doing your job perfectly. It took me a couple of years to be comfortable in my job, and wasn't really good at it until I was a senior first lieutenant.
 

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Originally posted by: allisolm
They may not be called "bonuses", but there are most certainly incentives for officers in certain specialities.

As far as I know, only officers in health fields (medical doctors, nurses, vets, dentists. etc) are elegible for specialty-related incentives.
Nuke officers in the Navy get lucrative bonuses, too.

 

allisolm

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: allisolm
They may not be called "bonuses", but there are most certainly incentives for officers in certain specialities.

As far as I know, only officers in health fields (medical doctors, nurses, vets, dentists. etc) are elegible for specialty-related incentives.
Nuke officers in the Navy get lucrative bonuses, too.
Did not know about that. Looks like there are others, as well. here. Engineering and Scientific Officer Continuation Pay, Aviation Retention Bonus, Navy Commanders, Aviation Continuation Pay. Lots of extra $ to be had if you're in the right slot.

 

jemcam

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And by the way, there's no such thing as a bonus for an Officer. There are for enlisted, but unless the DoD has implemented a new program, I highly doubt that you'll find any bonuses.

I was referring to the so called "sign up" bonuses. Most of the bonuses referred to already are continuation or extension bonuses. Keep in mind that these bonuses are a drop in teh proverbial bucket of what you'd get as a civilian in these occupations such as aviator, doctor, lawyer, etc.
 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: Darien
As long as I have no schedule conflicts, I should be graduating in May with degrees in Physics & East Asian Languages and Cultures (Japanese) and am thinking about joining the military -- gotta keep options open :). Is it difficult to land a spot doing science/engineering r&d? What's OTS like? Life in general? How to prepare for the AFOQT and the like?

Thanks.

To answer your original question though, you may be able to get a job as an interpreter or working in G2 (Intelligence) somewhere. Those were always in high demand. Don't know that you'd be able to get anything that would utilize your physics education unless you worked for a civilian contractor.
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: jemcam
Originally posted by: Darien
Originally posted by: jemcam
I originally enlisted in the Army but went to OCS after two years. In hindsight, I really enjoyed OCS. At the time, I hated it because it was very, very hard. Mentally (scholastically speaking) it wasn't that hard. The lack of sleep, long hours, (usually less than 4 hours sleep for several weeks) physical exertion, and stress that is purposely designed into the program takes it's toll very quickly. That's the whole idea behind OCS though. They create a very stressful situation and then evaluate how you react to it.

Be warned though, less than 50% of a typical OCS class graduate. Most people drop out in the first couple of days. After that, most of the people left are the ones that can handle it, but don't make the grade.

In my Army experience, and this was 15 years ago, Officers go where they're needed. You can request a certain branch, (i.e. aviation, infantry, artillery, finance, admin, transportation, etc.) but if you're needed elsewhere, that's where they'll send you.

What do you exactly do during OCS? What makes it so hard?

And, how do they determine where you're sent once you become an officer?

The best way I can explain it here is that it's kind of like Basic Training in Full Metal Jacket only much worse. It's really a mental exercise, if you want to pass the course you learn to play the game.

A typical day was usually getting up around 5:00 a.m., get your barracks cleaned up and ready for inspection, get your PT clothes on, get in formation, then PT (physical training) for an hour or so, clean up, change into BDU's (camouflage uniform) have "leadership development training", which is just being yelled at and harassed by the TAC Officers, then go to class after breakfast. Keep in mind that you aren't given any time to do this, yet it is all expected to be done perfectly. All of the above is done by 6:30.

If you had any disciplinary paperwork or reports to complete, they must be turned in now, before breakfast.

Then back to the barracks area for more "leadership development", then on to class by 7:30 or 8:00. Class is on everything from basic Drill & Ceremony to Infantry tactics. This continues on until 11:30 or 12:00, when there is more "leadership development" and lunch. Then, more "leadership development" and back to class by 1:00 or so. Class lasts until 4:30 or 5:00, then it's more "leadership development", assess the carnage in your barracks and clean up from when the TAC Officers destroyed your barracks by throwing all of your sh!t out in street because they found a piece of lint on your bunk. This invariably will require a visit to the TAC Officer's office where you will get reamed and told you won't make it, and then you end up getting assigned a 5 or 10 page paper on how you allowed this to happen and what course of action you are taking to prevent it from happening again. Meanwhile, you've probably been assigned some responsibility like being Company Commander or Executive Officer of your class to put you under more scrutiny. Back to the barracks to clean your stuff up and get it right so it can be inspected again while doing some kind of Infantry training outside with the rest of the class.

This class will continue until about 11:00, until you go back to the barracks, get uniforms ready for the next day, take a shower, take care of any other meetings you have to attend, and complete reports and/or other paperwork. Lights are out at 11:00, but you'll be spit polishing boots and getting ready for the next day until at least midnight by flashlight if you've had an easy day. Usually, you don't actually get to lay down and sleep until about 1:00, but you're so hyped up from all the activity and physical exhaustion you won't get to sleep until 1:30 or 2:00.

Repeat above exercises for 6 weeks, 7 days a week with no break.

Keep in mind you are not allowed to walk anywhere. You run everywhere with all your gear, in a BDU uniform, boots, helmet, briefcase, etc.

It's not fun, but if you complete the course, you're a pretty tough cookie, and you get to walk off the graduation stage with a Gold Bar on your collar.

Congratulations! You're a green second lieutenant, the most dangerous, destructive, and stupidest thing the Army has in it's ranks. Even privates will laugh at you because you're so stressed about doing your job perfectly. It took me a couple of years to be comfortable in my job, and wasn't really good at it until I was a senior first lieutenant.

Exactly why you join the Navy or the "Farce" =P
not even close to like that =P
 

jemcam

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Exactly why you join the Navy or the "Farce" =P

Not me. I wanted to know what my limits were and what I was capable of. I found out : )

I had a two or three Rangers and two Special Forces guys in my class and they said OCS was a joke. If you want to be in the elite of the best armed forces in the world, it's hard. If you want to be the best, don't expect it to be handed to you.

I did want to be the best. Maybe I watched too many John Wayne movies, but I wanted to be one of those elite forces. My Officer career was plenty for me. Trust me, those guys that are in Special Ops, Delta Force, Rangers, etc. earned their badges and stripes.
 

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Originally posted by: Darien
As long as I have no schedule conflicts, I should be graduating in May with degrees in Physics & East Asian Languages and Cultures (Japanese) and am thinking about joining the military -- gotta keep options open :). Is it difficult to land a spot doing science/engineering r&d? What's OTS like? Life in general? How to prepare for the AFOQT and the like?

Thanks.

At least in the Air Force, it is very difficult to get a position doing hands on R&D. The primary systems centers (Los Angeles AFB CA -> Space & Missile Systems Center, Wright Patterson AFB OH -> Aeronautical Systems Center, Hanscom AFB MA-> Electronics Systems Center) are all looking for lots of engineers, but you will be doing project management ... not hands-on stuff.

The labs (Phillips Lab @ Kirtland AFB NM, Wright Labs @ Wright Patterson AFB OH, ???) are better odds if you can get in there ... relatively few slots, and they like advanced degrees. But even there, most of the R&D is done by civil servants & contractors. You'll probably get to do some hands on stuff, but expect to spend alot of your time doing management stuff their as well. There are exceptions of course ... I know some guys that had great tours at the labs.

Anyway ... that's my experience from 4 years in the AF. I was at LAAFB, and spent alot of time working with Phillips Lab. I almost certainly could've gotten a lab tour after that, but turned it down based on what I saw as the career progression for engineers in the Air Force. Got out near the hieght of the 90's tech boom and have worked for a series of defense contractors. Mostly good stuff, but having a clearance from my AF days certainly opened alot of doors for me.

edit: AFOQT? I thought I took that in H.S., focused towards enlisted recruitment IIRC? I went ROTC, so can't tell you anything about OTS.