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Originally posted by: mwmorph
Camry > Mazda6 > Accord > Fusion
Originally posted by: mwmorph
I worked at a for dealership and I drove around a base 4 cylinder fusion for a while.
Very high decklid that made it very hard to see cars in the rear if you're short (5'7")
4 cylinder is quiet under 3000rpms but suddenly gets louder with throttle application above 300rpms. Very suprising because under 3000rps, it is very quiet and just purrs.
Sluggish with auto tranny
Interior plastics dull, very hard and decidedly low rent(comparable to the Focus plastics)
I also worked on a few more upscale fusions and once you tack on the V6, the power is adequate.
The interior gets spruced up in the SLE but somehow I still felt that parts of it looked as if there were pennies squeezed(the trim looks alright, nothing special but not bad either, but the original interior panels not covered in upgraxded tirm stil looked low rent)
I never got to test out the AWD feature.
The review may seem overly harsh but i's an adequate family sedan considering its price if you are taller than me. For someone short, it's downright scary trying to figure where the corolla behind you is since it dissapeared completely under the decklid line.
Camry > Mazda6 > Accord > Fusion
Of course the Camry is the newest and will come with zero discounts while you can get rebates on the Fusion, but you do get what you pay for.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: mwmorph
Camry > Mazda6 > Accord > Fusion
:laugh:
You're 40, aren't you?
- M4H
Originally posted by: mwmorph
The Camry is not a boring car anymore.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: mwmorph
The Camry is not a boring car anymore.
I was starting to type out a response, but just couldn't stop laughing.
Accord V6 6MT >>>>>>>>>>>> Camry Doesn'tOfferAMT
- M4H
Originally posted by: mwmorph
We're talking family sedans. MT makes maybe 2% of the market and I doubt anyone looking to buy one in this thread really is looking for the Manual version.
You can get on your high horse all you want about how "1337" you are in your standard shift family sedan while I can buy a more comfortable daily driver that I can relax in and then buy another car that is much better suited to performance driving.
Flame away and be immature all you want but get off your high horse.
Honda Accord is not a sports car and if you drive one becasue you think a V6 standard shift family sedan is "fun" and "cool" you should really look at your priorities and see if you should be buying one at all. I'll be over here in the realm of sensibility, responsibility and maturity.
So according to you a manual tranny automaticalyl makes something not boring. Thanks I'll keep that in mind when people ask me if a Dodge Neon is boring. There is absolutely nothing the accord does that the Camry cannot do bette besides the manula transmission that is almost a onofactor for any family sedan buyers.
I've lsited all the factors that make the camry easier and more comfortable and capable to use as a daily driver that people will buy it for.
Lower NVH thanks to a more powerful engine that wont have to be flogged to keep up or even pass traffic
Smoother driving exprience thanks to a 6 speed auto tranny
More space thanks to a longer wheelbase
Easier to drive thanks to a smaller turning circle
And more praticality from the Hybrid model.
Name 1 family sedan trait the Accord does better besides making itself a daily driver that makes you work for it thanks to a manual tranny.
<- Drives a 5sp MR2 Spyder when I need to have some fun instead of flogging around a half arsed family sedan because if you arent going to do it right, dont do it at all.
That's because its not needed. Manual was need for performance but nowadays with turbos actually being quicker with an atuo tranny or Sequential manuals being quicker on a N/A car, theres no point to have to work fro it.Sadly, it's becoming a lost art to know how to drive.
Mind you I do know how to drive a manual. I just choose not to through rush hour traffic every day.Most people say that I should get off my high horse. I'm glad you've accepted your status as an inferior motorist, though.
Hey, I just got on this damn horse, at your request, in the previous paragraph.
And it wasn't easy.
It's a damned high horse.
The G35 is fun and cool because it is a sports sedan not a family sedan. The main difference is the G35 is built on the 350z platform and is RWD like a performance vehicle should be.So the Infiniti G35 is neither "fun" nor "cool" because it's a family sedan that comes in manual? Nice to see you've already registered with AARP at eighteen.
And the Accord differs how?Wrong, the Camry makes the Camry boring. Permanently engaged traction control, all the emotion of a Cuisinart, and the aesthetic appeal of a large boar.
1. I bought it myself thank you very muchChoose between "No turbo no care" or "It's nice that your dad lets you borrow his car."
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
You rated a Mazda 6 and Fusion AND Altima higher than the Accord??? Have you been living under a rock or something. Even consumer reports who know next to nothing about cars rated the Mazda6 and Fusion much lower than the accord.
I could see an argument for the Altima though....Nissan has really done a nice job.
-Kevin
Originally posted by: mwmorph
That's because its not needed. Manual was need for performance but nowadays with turbos actually being quicker with an atuo tranny or Sequential manuals being quicker on a N/A car, theres no point to have to work fro it.
Mind you I do know how to drive a manual. I just choose not to through rush hour traffic every day.
Well everyonee has to come down sometime.
The G35 is fun and cool because it is a sports sedan not a family sedan. The main difference is the G35 is built on the 350z platform and is RWD like a performance vehicle should be.
And the Accord differs how?
1. I bought it myself thank you very much
2. You should polish up on your definition of sports car before brushing off the MR2 spyder. The MR2 turbo was hardly a sports car but rather a GT(having gained so much weight). The MR2 rigidly stick to the definition of sports car
"A sports car is an automobile designed for performance driving. Most sports cars are rear-wheel drive, have two seats, two doors, and are designed for precise handling, acceleration, and aesthetics. A sports car's dominant considerations are: superior road handling, braking, manoeuvrability, low weight, and high power, rather than passenger space, comfort, and fuel economy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car
MR2 spyder:
RWD? Check (And MR to boot)
2 seats?" Check
2 doors? Check
Precise handling? Check (Moreso than usual with addition bracing, 2F&R sway bars and Tein suspension)
Acelleration? Check (0-60 in 6.9)
Aesthetics? (Eye of the beholder but I like it)
Braking? Check(~115-120ft repeatable stops)
Low Weoght? Check (Under 1 metric ton)
High power? Not yet but the Hass turbo kit is 80% saved up for and with street tires and ~250RWHP, I will be running low 12s/high 11s
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
You rated a Mazda 6 and Fusion AND Altima higher than the Accord??? Have you been living under a rock or something. Even consumer reports who know next to nothing about cars rated the Mazda6 and Fusion much lower than the accord.
I could see an argument for the Altima though....Nissan has really done a nice job.
-Kevin