Anyone here feel the same way I do about oil companies?

[MetalMat]

Alot of my friends who graduated in EE with me are gettin jobs paying pretty good money with oil companies.

However, I refuse to work for them cause I hear horror stories about how they dont care about employees at all and will lay them off after 30 years of hard work like they are a speck of dirt. I also know that many oil companies dont care at all about the environment and just about the quick buck, plus the fact that oil will not be around forever and I believe strongly in alternative energy sources.

I know I could make alot of money quick working for them, but I guess some things are more important than money. Anyone here think the same way I do?

 

[dug777]

not me...

 

[K1052]

Why not get some money and experience then move on to another job?

 

[tm37]

If they pay then who cares?

 

[FoBoT]

my brother works in the oil field equipment industry, i could ask him, but i haven't heard anything like that. not anymore so than corporations in general

 

[RU482]

define good money

 

[MetalMat]

Originally posted by: tm37
If they pay then who cares?

I mean, I know they pay well but I would feel bad working for them. I would much rather work for a cause for the enivornment. Maybe I am just being a half-a$$sed hippy or something.

 

[Phoenix86]

Pfft, show me a company that actually cares about employees after 30 years that employes a fair # of people...

 

[StageLeft]

All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

 

[GhettoPeanut]

if you drive a car, or use any piece of plastic. or anything synthetic, you "work" for the oil companies. every piece of food you buy, every piece of clothing you wear, food you eat, ANYthing you do is connected to the oil companies.
every day you go to work, you make money, to spend it on things made from oil.

oil is to valuable to be used in cars i say.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

:roll:

All employees are scum. Any employee will quit in a split second.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: GhettoPeanut
if you drive a car, or use any piece of plastic. or anything synthetic, you "work" for the oil companies. every piece of food you buy, every piece of clothing you wear, food you eat, ANYthing you do is connected to the oil companies.
every day you go to work, you make money, to spend it on things made from oil.

oil is to valuable to be used in cars i say.

It's best poured down a CD into your mouth, eh my main man?

 

Originally posted by: MetalMat
Alot of my friends who graduated in EE with me are gettin jobs paying pretty good money with oil companies.

However, I refuse to work for them cause I hear horror stories about how they dont care about employees at all and will lay them off after 30 years of hard work like they are a speck of dirt. I also know that many oil companies dont care at all about the environment and just about the quick buck, plus the fact that oil will not be around forever and I believe strongly in alternative energy sources.

I know I could make alot of money quick working for them, but I guess some things are more important than money. Anyone here think the same way I do?

Most companies are like that.
When you become a non cost effective venture, it's natural to let you go.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

:roll:

All employees are scum. Any employee will quit in a split second.

I didn't indicate otherwise. It's true.

 

[Queasy]

You pretty much described corporate life in any industry.

 

[Landroval]

"Right livelihood" is certainly something to strive for. As an engineer, I am sure you have many opportunities to work in an environment you feel is less abusive.

 

[DingDingDao]

Originally posted by: redly1
define good money

Given the lack of people graduating from Geology or Geology-related fields, starting salaries in oil companies are VERY high right now. My father worked for Mobil as a geophysicist for more than 30 years, then retired, and now has returned to work for a smaller oil company (Nexen Petroleum) because the money's so good right now (he started at over 200K as a senior geophysicist). Obviously, his experience placed him into that position, but he told me that starting geologists (and engineers on contract) start at or near 100K.

Is it worth it? In general (any field, not just oil), the stories you hear are always going to be worse than it actually is, since happy people just aren't nearly as vocal as disgruntled employees. Mobil was very loyal to my father and mother (who worked at Mobil as well for almost 25 years). We moved twice during their careers, and both times the company created a new position for my mom so that our family would not be separated by the transfer. Seems like a pretty humane thing to do for a blood-sucking corporation, if you ask me.

CLIFFS:
1) Good money
2) Working for oil companies isn't as bad as it seems

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: tm37
If they pay then who cares?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

:roll:

All employees are scum. Any employee will quit in a split second.

I didn't indicate otherwise. It's true.

Then according to you, all people are "scum."

I submit that all people have overriding self interests. That's not "scum." That's smart. Altruism is, and always has been, a failure.

The real problem here is that some people need to stop thinking they are owed anything.

 

[DingDingDao]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

Read my post. Mobil could have easily separated my parents, or layed one of them off, but they chose to create positions from scratch to keep our family together. Layed off? The same thing happens in every industry, not just oil.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

:roll:

All employees are scum. Any employee will quit in a split second.

I didn't indicate otherwise. It's true.

Then according to you, all people are "scum."

I submit that all people have overriding self interests. That's not "scum." That's smart. Altruism is, and always has been, a failure.

The real problem here is that some people need to stop thinking they are owed anything.

Then I should have said loyalty is almost always a waste of time. Don't see a company as bad/good so much as a means to an end to make money. Once they no longer fit that, drop them like a bad habit. They'll treat you the same way, so everyone's even.

Mobil could have easily separated my parents, or layed one of them off, but they chose to create positions from scratch to keep our family together

It behooves a company to create an atmosphere that keeps the employees happy, of course, but if the bottom line says that encouraging that costs more than the benefits of keeping them happy you know which course will be taken!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

:roll:

All employees are scum. Any employee will quit in a split second.

I didn't indicate otherwise. It's true.

Then according to you, all people are "scum."

I submit that all people have overriding self interests. That's not "scum." That's smart. Altruism is, and always has been, a failure.

The real problem here is that some people need to stop thinking they are owed anything.

Then I should have said loyalty is almost always a waste of time. Don't see a company as bad/good so much as a means to an end to make money. Once they no longer fit that, drop them like a bad habit. They'll treat you the same way, so everyone's even.

Exactly.

 

[DingDingDao]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All companies are scum. Oil are no worse. Any company will lay you off in a split second.

:roll:

All employees are scum. Any employee will quit in a split second.

I didn't indicate otherwise. It's true.

Then according to you, all people are "scum."

I submit that all people have overriding self interests. That's not "scum." That's smart. Altruism is, and always has been, a failure.

The real problem here is that some people need to stop thinking they are owed anything.

Then I should have said loyalty is almost always a waste of time. Don't see a company as bad/good so much as a means to an end to make money. Once they no longer fit that, drop them like a bad habit. They'll treat you the same way, so everyone's even.

Mobil could have easily separated my parents, or layed one of them off, but they chose to create positions from scratch to keep our family together

It behooves a company to create an atmosphere that keeps the employees happy, of course, but if the bottom line says that encouraging that costs more than the benefits of keeping them happy you know which course will be taken!

Heh, true that, but that's the story with any successful corporation. It's business--the name of the game is to make money. Sucks, but it's true.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen the other side of the coin--for a short period of time, my father's direct superior was an MBA and not a geologist. Instead of asking worthwhile questions like "how will this new piece of equipment improve our oil yield?" he would ask questions like "how much is this new piece of equipment going to cost?"

Frustrating, to say the least. But, like I said, that's business.

 

[nakedfrog]

If you don't go to work for them, they'll just hire someone else.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: MetalMat

I hear horror stories about how they dont care about employees at all and will lay them off after 30 years of hard work like they are a speck of dirt.

That is now the standard MO for just about every Corporation & Private Businesses in America now.