Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: PatboyX
well, listened to it. he pretty much threw a tantrum. wish i got to hear the other moments from before the clip he posted.
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i think he would have looked better if he played what had gone on before. as it stands, it looks like the host had a point to make by reading a comment and then he just jumped down her throat. also i noticed that she really didnt get to talk too much...so...i feel like he talked himself into a state and then just left.
"threw a tantrum"?
He got the host to admit that she is bias for Frankin and was out to get Oreilly. He never raised his voice.
The irony is she proved what oreilly's new book is about: who's looking out for you?: The host was looking out for Frankin--not fair and balenced reporting AKA THE PUBLIC/VIEWERS.
The host said Frankins book was satire--even though it is political mud slinging--and Oreilly's book is a how to book on how to help you determine if someone is trying to Fuq you over. Which deserves to have more critisim? According to the "non-bias" NPR host Oreilly needs to be critized more. If you're a liberal you can name call and slander people and NPR gives you a free ride. If you're not a liberal, then everything you say should be critized.
Conclusion, Oreilly and the NPR host battled with wits and the smartest person won--Oreilly. For those who don't believe that, listen to what Oreilly got the host to admit:
1.) she was soft on Frankin
2.) she called frankin's book satire , but its obvious to a non-bias person it is political mudslinging
3.) she admitted she treated Oreilly differently (much more harshly)
Therefore, Oreilly proved she was bias and therefore not looking out for you, the viewers, or fair and balenced reporting.
NOTE: Mudslinging is mudslinging, Frankin is a mudslinger. So it that annoying Rep blonde (dont know her name off the top of my head--but the one who wrote
Slander) I can admit that ever though im a republican, why can't you admit that Frankin is a mudslinger and once you realize that, listen to the NPR-Oreilly interview again and you will see the truth--NPR=bias against non-liberals and Oreilly proved it on NPR. (If i was the host, I'd feel like an idiot.)
Mr. BigJelly after hearing the entire interview, I'll play along, but only briefly I do have things to do tonight and would also like to watch some of the baseball games.
Point 1: I never remeber Terry Gross admiting she was out to get him? If I am incorrect please tell where she says this in relation to other aspects of the interview.
Point 2: Did O'Rielly throw a tantrum? Um...would leaving an interview before the interviewer has had a chance to reply be considered a tantrum, maybe to some, personally I find it rude.
Point 3: Al Franken satire?
Well lets look at the definition of satire: A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity. (simply used dictionary.com)
Now compare this to mud sligging, which is simply attack one's reputation. Now maybe I am wrong but it seems to me that if Franken's book truely were "mud-slinging" he could have been sued for ruining O'Reilly's reputation. However, that did not occur.
I have not read Franken's book, however do I believe it is damaging to O'Reilly...Yes, the reason for this is O'Reilly's actions. This then falls under "mud-slinging"? No, I don't believe it does. My understanding of Franken's book is that it is factually based and he uses irony and sarcasm to prove his points. I thus believe his book to fall under the category of satire NOT "mud-slinging".
Point 4: "Which deserves to have more critisim? " is a question you raised. Well growing up in a household of a publisher, I tend to believe that both books should be reviewed, if the reviewers believe that they should include critisims that is not something the author can not control and so be it. Thus I believe it is unfair to value one topic over the other. To a satirist I believe Franken's book could be valued more. To a Political pundit maybe O'Reilly's book.
Point 5: Since when did an interview become a contest? "Conclusion, Oreilly and the NPR host battled with wits and the smartest person won--Oreilly." This is also your opinion. By staying with the interview and with O'Reilly leaving early I tend to believe he hurt himself in this regard. To me it looks as though he could not stand tough questions and then got on a soap box and then left without leaving a chance for Ms. Gross to have discourse.
Point 6: I don't believe she said she was soft on Franken. If she did again please tell me where. My understanding was that she said it was a "different interview". Personally it seemed to me that O'Reilly began attacking Ms. Gross. If this is the case I wonder if Franken also attacked her. If not I would tend to believe it would be a very different interview, I am thinking pleasent.
Point 7: I think we covered the difference between satire and "mud-slinging" and hopefully now that the definitions have been given you may be able to see the difference and in my opinion that Franken's book is satire.
Point 8: This was discussed early but I believe what she meant by differently in the contect of how O'Reilly was treated was not what you claim "much more harshly" but defensively, and only after O'Reilly attacked her for reading a review of his book.
My overall impression was that Ms. Gross may have read a review that she knew O'Reilly would not like. If this were the case, no matter who the author, I believe it is their role to defend their position. They should be able to do this without name calling or going on the offensive with the interviewer. It is very easy to defend your book if believe in what you wrote. If someone critizes something in the book you can discuss it point for point. I believe that the way O'Reilly handled the interview, at least in civilized way. He complained about not being interviewed for his first book. I highly doubt Ms. Gross would enjoy him for a third interview.
I chose to respond to this post because I have listened to Ms. Gross many times over the years. I feel that she is a very fair interviewer, and maybe some others agree, she has won a Peabody award. I have heard many different types of people on Fresh Air. Including an ex-pres. Bush speach writer recently, it was a very good interview and he was a fantastic guest. He showed his side of the argument without using rhetoric and he defended his position civily when needed. I do not believe this to be a liberal gloating program, or a conservative bashing one. I dislike bashing either party in my opinion both have good points. However, I would like to show a new study that shows people that listen to NPR tend to know what are lies and what are not in a much larger percentage then those who get the majority of their news from FOX NEWS. I am not sure why this is maybe in your response Mr/Ms. BigJelly you could make a hypothesis. Link to the study to which I alluded
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/6918170.htm