Anyone have a roadmap for 1156 CPU's?

[Keysplayr]

I wanted to know if socket 1156 CPU's will be stuck at 4 cores for the duration of it's life.
Reviewers are mentioning that the dual channel memory is fine for current 4 core Lynnfields, but as we go up in cores, the dual channel memory will be a handicap.

Question is, will 1156 eventually go more than 4 cores, and when it does, will it be a waste without tri channel memory controllers?

Or is this not true?

Thoughts?

 

[TemjinGold]

Personally, I feel by the time more than 4 cores makes a difference, you'll probably want a new mobo anyways...

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: TemjinGold
Personally, I feel by the time more than 4 cores makes a difference, you'll probably want a new mobo anyways...

This. I have never upgraded a CPU without a new motherboard.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: TemjinGold
Personally, I feel by the time more than 4 cores makes a difference, you'll probably want a new mobo anyways...

This. I have never upgraded a CPU without a new motherboard.

Me neither.

I just set up my Core i7 860 + MSI P55-CD53 system Keys, expecting barely any boost from Q6600 @ 3.4ghz until I overclock the 860. I say if you can sell your current parts for a decent amount it's worth the upgrade for your GTX 295.

Didn't run a lot of benches but here is Resident Evil 5 (fixed):

Q6600 @ 3.4ghz + 4890 880/4000 factory clocks
1280x1024 4AA = 60.8
1680x1050 0AA = 57.8
1680x1050 4AA = 57.8
1920x1080 0AA = 54.6
1920x1080 4AA = 55.1

Core i7 860 stock w/Turbo enabled, DDR3 1066 CL7 timings + 4890 880/4000
1280x1024 4AA = 106.5 (+75%)
1680x1050 0AA = 97.2 (+68%)
1680x1050 4AA = 90.3 (+56%)
1920x1080 0AA = 88.8 (+63%)
1920x1080 4AA = 81.6 (+49%)

1920x1080 8AA = 77.3

WinRAR
Q6600 @ 3.4ghz = 1700-1900

i7 860 stock = 2850 with 1066 ram
i7 860 stock = 3200 with 1333 ram
i7 860 stock = 3500 with 1600 ram

Unfortunately I can't recommend the MSI mobo. Currently cant' run my OCZ Gold at anything above 1066mhz (Maybe ram issue?) without it crashing at some point, even when I set the voltage to 1.65.

Imo, both 1156 and 1366 are not future proof since you'll want SATA3, USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0 with Sandy Bridge.

 

[alyarb]

all of the 45nm quads that intel plans to produce are already out in the marketplace. no 32nm quad cores have been announced. a 32nm 6-core is planned for bloomfield, but it will be an "extreme edition" at $1500/ea.

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: TemjinGold
Personally, I feel by the time more than 4 cores makes a difference, you'll probably want a new mobo anyways...

This again...


On a theoritical level:

Already in Q3 2009 (now) the Intel Core i7 870 is 2.93GHz and goes at 3.60GHz with Single Core Turbo mode.

How far can Intel go (i am speaking GHz) with the 32nm 4 core/8 thread version?

Intel is nearly doubling the performance per 2 years time (i am talking per price point / for the most mainstream price points comparing launches)

Q3 2006 183$ 6300 (2MB ver instead of Q2 2007 4MB ver 6320)
Q3 2008 183$ 8500
8500 is nearly 1,9X the speed of 6300 in 2 years gap

Q3 2008 193$ 8200 (4MB version instead of 6MB 9X00 or 12MB 9X50 versions)
Q3 2009 196$ i5 750
i5 750 is nearly 1,4X the speed of 8200 in one year gap

Q1 2008 53$ E2100
Q3 2009 53$ E3300
E3300 is nearly 1,7X the speed of 2100 in 1,5 year gap

So how is it possible for Intel to deliver in let's say 1,5 year from now (Q1 2011) a 1,7X quad core Nehalem? (or double the perf. in Q3 2011 with a quad core design?)


About the mem limitations:

Intel next year Q3 2010 is going to have probably 1600 DDR3 and in Q3 2011 probably 2133 DDR4 (or 2133 DDR3 if Intel goes AMD philosophy or if DDR4 has an implementation problem for Q3 2011)

The memory bandwidth jump for me is enough for the move to 6 cores.

According to my perception Intel will have a 6 core 1156 version CPU in Q3 2011 or earlier... (Q3 2010 1156 32nm quad versions with lower power consumption and a little better performance per MHz + higher clock speeds and in Q3 2011 1156 6 core ver and in Q4 2012 1156 8 core ver, all these at the latest...)

I hope Intel still has some aces left, but with Core 2 architecture and the memory controller Intergration i don't know if Intel can do big performance jumps per "Tock".

 

[Keysplayr]

@ RussianSensation:

Wow!! Nice. I have my Q6600 at 3.2 (8X multi) GHz currently with ram running 1600MHz, thanks to lavaheadache.

I see that improvement in RE5 and I almost can't believe it.

I am considering the eVGA P55 FTW mobo. I already have 8GB of Corsair XMS 1600 to go in it. I'd go with the i5 750, but for some reason, my brain will not let me by a new CPU without the Hyperthreading feature. So the i7 860 it is.

I guess nothing is set in stone, but I was just wondering what was next for socket 1156. I see Clarksdale with 2 cores and HT. This must have the graphics integrated into the core.

But that's about it.

So, I guess it's a go for the i860 and eVGA P55 FTW. Thanks for your comments guys.

keys

 

[ilkhan]

Originally posted by: alyarb
all of the 45nm quads that intel plans to produce are already out in the marketplace. no 32nm quad cores have been announced. a 32nm 6-core is planned for bloomfield, but it will be an "extreme edition" at $1500/ea.

well, the 6 core is gulftown, but you got the jist of it.
No 32nm quad cores (on nehalem, sandy will have um) have been talked about
No >4core s1156 parts have been talked about.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: TemjinGold
Personally, I feel by the time more than 4 cores makes a difference, you'll probably want a new mobo anyways...

This. I have never upgraded a CPU without a new motherboard.

same here.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

I see that improvement in RE5 and I almost can't believe it.

I know I was pleasantly surprised myself!

These results are replicated at Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...nt-evil-5,2409-11.html

Core i7 2.66 HT 1280x1024 = 122.5 (+62%)
Core 2 Quad @ 2.7ghz 1280x1024 = 75.8
Core 2 Duo @ 2.4ghz 1280x1024 = 38.5 :Q

RE5 also prefers NV graphics cards.

I ended up returning my MSI P55-CD53 board and OCZ Gold 1600 CL8 1.65 due to constant BSODs. Going to get a Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3R and G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 CL7.

Keys, good call on the EVGA board! It's out of my price range but its features are amazing. 12+2 PWM up to 1189Khz vs. 250 for conventional and DDR3 2600 support Also backwards compatible 775 heatsink holes.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Damn Dirty Ape

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: TemjinGold
Personally, I feel by the time more than 4 cores makes a difference, you'll probably want a new mobo anyways...

This. I have never upgraded a CPU without a new motherboard.

same here.

I have... skt939 single to dualie.

 

[v8envy]

I'm very interested in your thoughts on the P55-UD3R. I have the X58-UD3R right now (as well as the P35-DS3L x 2), and all three have treated me very, very well so far.

Thinking of getting an i860 for my wife. She usually gets hand-me-downs but has been coveting my machine ever since I put it together. It loads and runs the flash games she likes perceptibly faster than anything else in the house (and for a game like Evony this makes a huge difference in usability), and she can leave a dozen browser windows with a billion flash ads spinning without making her system crawl.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: v8envy
I'm very interested in your thoughts on the P55-UD3R.

I'll update you. My 2 previous boards have also been Gigabyte for 965 and P35 chipsets. I decided to be adventurous with the MSI CD-53 board and it didn't work out. I was also contemplating getting the Asus P7P55D but ended up going with Gigabyte simply because they tend to be good overclockers I am so used to their bios and website/ease of use.

The problem right now is the lack of 1156 coolers.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

I see that improvement in RE5 and I almost can't believe it.

I know I was pleasantly surprised myself!

These results are replicated at Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...nt-evil-5,2409-11.html

Core i7 2.66 HT 1280x1024 = 122.5 (+62%)
Core 2 Quad @ 2.7ghz 1280x1024 = 75.8
Core 2 Duo @ 2.4ghz 1280x1024 = 38.5 :Q

RE5 also prefers NV graphics cards.

I ended up returning my MSI P55-CD53 board and OCZ Gold 1600 CL8 1.65 due to constant BSODs. Going to get a Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3R and G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 CL7.

Keys, good call on the EVGA board! It's out of my price range but its features are amazing. 12+2 PWM up to 1189Khz vs. 250 for conventional and DDR3 2600 support Also backwards compatible 775 heatsink holes.

Very impressive! That stinks about your MSI board though. I wager you'll be much happier with the Gigabyte.

Yeah, that eVGA FTW board is psycho. Did you see the little o/c circuit board that comes with it? Wild.

And, I didn't even know that it came with backward compatability for socket 775 heatsinks. That makes me happy because I can use my Cooler Master V8!!!!

yes, the board is a bit expensive, but I haven't gone all out on a mobo in quite a while. So I figured, what the heck!

Let us know how that Gigabyte boards does.. :thumbsup:

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

And, I didn't even know that it came with backward compatability for socket 775 heatsinks. That makes me happy because I can use my Cooler Master V8!!!!

DPHS "Double Play" Heatsink Socket 775 & 1156 Cooler Support



2x8pin CPU connectors that can provide up to 600w of power for the CPU :Q

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

And, I didn't even know that it came with backward compatability for socket 775 heatsinks. That makes me happy because I can use my Cooler Master V8!!!!

DPHS "Double Play" Heatsink Socket 775 & 1156 Cooler Support



2x8pin CPU connectors that can provide up to 600w of power for the CPU :Q

Triple BIOS as well. Saweeeet.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: alyarb
all of the 45nm quads that intel plans to produce are already out in the marketplace. no 32nm quad cores have been announced. a 32nm 6-core is planned for bloomfield, but it will be an "extreme edition" at $1500/ea.

Ya I didn't see 32nm Quads with 8 threads on 1156 on Intel roadmap here