well im not actually looking to pay 14k for it, no way i would, im hoping to get them down to 10 or 11, i dont want to spend more than that. Ill wait for the end of the month they will want to sell it then. The dude just kept saying dont worry about the price we can work with it, because i told him that i didnt want to spend more than 11 or 12. The car only has 44000 miles on it too so i figure thats not too bad.