Anyone else voting for a third party? Libertarians?

[GTaudiophile]

I was very disappointing to learn that the D.C. ballot will NOT include Ron Paul nor Bob Barr.

What is a Libertarian to do?

Well, I do have a space to write-in a name at least.

At the moment I am reviewing the proposals of both Bob Barr and Ron Paul.

Question is, which one to write in on Tuesday?

I am pretty sure I'm leaning towards Ron Paul, at least based on the fact that he addresses a broader range of issues on his web site, include the environment, for example.

So, Libertarians, who will you be voting for? (Even if that means writing the person onto the ballot.)

I just cannot in good conscience vote for either McCain/Palin nor Obama/Biden.

 

[bamacre]

Already voted for Baldwin (you left him off the list).

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Already voted for Baldwin (you left him off the list).

Alec?

Afraid I don't know who he is.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: bamacre
Already voted for Baldwin (you left him off the list).

Alec?

Afraid I don't know who he is.

Chuck.

Paul endorsed him, BTW.

 

[GTaudiophile]

bamacre: So you voted in my poll: and you're not voting?

Come on, you got to vote! Even if it's just for Mickey Mouse!

 

[Dissipate]

I am voting for no one. Voting is the problem, not the solution to anything.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
bamacre: So you voted in my poll: and you're not voting?

Come on, you got to vote! Even if it's just for Mickey Mouse!

That wasn't me. In fact I have already voted for Baldwin.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Already voted for Baldwin (you left him off the list).

Good choice, because you know a Christian would never have any agenda in politics.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bamacre
Already voted for Baldwin (you left him off the list).

Good choice, because you know a Christian would never have any agenda in politics.

I guess McCain and Obama are not Christians? And they don't have any political agendas?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bamacre
Already voted for Baldwin (you left him off the list).

Good choice, because you know a Christian would never have any agenda in politics.

My guess is we'll never see an (admittedly) atheist President in our lifetimes...so happy never voting!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I guess McCain and Obama are not Christians? And they don't have any political agendas?

Far from it, but I have never endorsed either of those candidates. Bottom line is that religion is inherently collectivist and statist. A lot of these so-called Christian libertarians just see politics as competition for church power.

Shame on Ron Paul for rejecting evolution as well.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
My guess is we'll never see an (admittedly) atheist President in our lifetimes...so happy never voting!

You are correct. Now does this not give you a clue as to why the entire institution of mass franchise democracy is absurd? The rational are doomed to be controlled by the irrational simply because they are in a minority.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Shame on Ron Paul for rejecting evolution as well.

What you fail to see is that this would have absolutely zero effect on how he'd do the job. With a political philosophy like his, a candidate's personal religious beliefs are irrelevant.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bamacre
I guess McCain and Obama are not Christians? And they don't have any political agendas?

Far from it, but I have never endorsed either of those candidates. Bottom line is that religion is inherently collectivist and statist. A lot of these so-called Christian libertarians just see politics as competition for church power.

Shame on Ron Paul for rejecting evolution as well.

Good grief.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bamacre
I guess McCain and Obama are not Christians? And they don't have any political agendas?

Far from it, but I have never endorsed either of those candidates. Bottom line is that religion is inherently collectivist and statist. A lot of these so-called Christian libertarians just see politics as competition for church power.

Shame on Ron Paul for rejecting evolution as well.

Good grief.

And yet you have no complaints with Obama and his sending a billion dollars to Georgia, wanting Georgia in NATO, placing even harsher economic sanctions on Iran, nor saying he'd do everything in his power to prevent Iran from getting nukes?

 

[OFFascist]

I voted for McCain in the presidential election, the rest of the ballot I voted Libertarian.

Obama is the antithesis of Libertarian.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: bamacre

What you fail to see is that this would have absolutely zero effect on how he'd do the job. With a political philosophy like his, a candidate's personal religious beliefs are irrelevant.

It is irrelevant that he rejects science?

In any event, Ron Paul's main problem is two fold:

A. He lectures the thugs in the state as though they don't know what they are doing, when in fact they do.

B. He has taken up the mantle of the gang he intends to fight.

This is like if a gang invades your town and commits acts of vandalism and someone says they are going to fight the gang. The next day they are wearing the gang's clothes, and gets their tattoos, and they are riding around with them. Then, they start lecturing the gang about the horrible things they are doing, as if they didn't know in the first place.

Only in politics does this strategy make any sense.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Obama is the antithesis of Libertarian.

Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. McCain is socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Obama is socially liberal and fiscally liberal. Wouldn't you rather half of the libertarian pie than none at all?

Fascism > Socialism

Lol @ you.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
I voted for McCain in the presidential election, the rest of the ballot I voted Libertarian.

Obama is the antithesis of Libertarian.

Right.... so libertarians should vote for the socially authoritarian, fiscally populist McCain/Palin ticket? In relative contrast, Obama's socially liberal, fiscally liberal ticket is the shining light of libertarianism.

I think you've confused libertarianism with the politics of George Wallace. Either that or you've drunk the stupid-flavored koolaid McCain is handing out that says Obama is a socialist.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Vic
Right.... so libertarians should vote for the socially authoritarian, fiscally populist McCain/Palin ticket? In relative contrast, Obama's socially liberal, fiscally liberal ticket is the shining light of libertarianism.

I think you've confused libertarianism with the politics of George Wallace. Either that or you've drunk the stupid-flavored koolaid McCain is handing out that says Obama is a socialist.

Obama a shining light of libertarianism? You are out of your mind. Every major presidential candidate for the past 100 years has been a corporatist.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Vic
Right.... so libertarians should vote for the socially authoritarian, fiscally populist McCain/Palin ticket? In relative contrast, Obama's socially liberal, fiscally liberal ticket is the shining light of libertarianism.

I think you've confused libertarianism with the politics of George Wallace. Either that or you've drunk the stupid-flavored koolaid McCain is handing out that says Obama is a socialist.

Obama a shining light of libertarianism? You are out of your mind. Every major presidential candidate for the past 100 years has been a corporatist.

Poor reading comprehension FTL

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Vic
Poor reading comprehension FTL

Uh, I read that part but it doesn't make any sense. A corporatist cannot be a shining light of libertarianism compared to anything, not even a dictator. A corporatist hides behind lawyers and government thugs to broker deals with corporations and wealthy individuals at the expense of everyone else.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bamacre

What you fail to see is that this would have absolutely zero effect on how he'd do the job. With a political philosophy like his, a candidate's personal religious beliefs are irrelevant.

It is irrelevant that he rejects science?

He rejects science now?

Look, he ran for President of the country, not for Head of the Science department at your high school. Hell, he supports tossing the Dept of Edu out and leaving education to the states. So, again, relevance?

Regardless, the argument is pointless. Ron Paul isn't going to be president. How about holding the main two candidates to the same standards?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Vic
Right.... so libertarians should vote for the socially authoritarian, fiscally populist McCain/Palin ticket? In relative contrast, Obama's socially liberal, fiscally liberal ticket is the shining light of libertarianism.

I think you've confused libertarianism with the politics of George Wallace. Either that or you've drunk the stupid-flavored koolaid McCain is handing out that says Obama is a socialist.

Obama a shining light of libertarianism?

Yeah, that's exactly what he said.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Vic
Poor reading comprehension FTL

Uh, I read that part but it doesn't make any sense. A corporatist cannot be a shining light of libertarianism compared to anything, not even a dictator. A corporatist hides behind lawyers and government thugs to broker deals with corporations and wealthy individuals at the expense of everyone else.

Absolutist thinking FTL