Anyone else use reusable grocery store bags?

miri

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Anyone else bring their own bags?

The bags I got rock, even if you do not care about the environment. The coolest thing about them is that they stand up on their own like paper bags unlike some of the other reusable bags I have seen and were only .99 cents each. They are also much stronger so I don't need to worry about them ripping. A lot of the paper bags I use rip on the handle area.

 

duragezic

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A couple of months ago, I heard a Walmart cashier tell someone that they are getting rid of plastic bags and everyone will have to buy those reusable ones. So from that point on I saved every Walmart plastic bag just to stock up (normally only save a few of them after getting so many so quickly) since they are great for garbage bags in the bathroom, etc. So now I have a ton of them and they are still using them like crazy at Walmart.

Have any stores stopped using plastic and paper bags completely?
 

Gothgar

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I like how Costco gives you a big ass box with everything in it, one trip ftw.

On topic: no.
 

miri

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Originally posted by: duragezic
A couple of months ago, I heard a Walmart cashier tell someone that they are getting rid of plastic bags and everyone will have to buy those reusable ones. So from that point on I saved every Walmart plastic bag just to stock up (normally only save a few of them after getting so many so quickly) since they are great for garbage bags in the bathroom, etc. So now I have a ton of them and they are still using them like crazy at Walmart.

Have any stores stopped using plastic and paper bags completely?

Interesting. I wonder if this is a NY thing due to running out of landfill space.
 

TwiceOver

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No. Left over plastic bags work great for:

Small trash cans
Taking lunch to work
Cleaning out litter box
Cleaning out car
...
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: looker001
No, and never will.
why?

I started using them because they hold up better than the shitty plastic bags they give you at the grocery store now. I need to triple bag them it seems. And there's rarely paper bags at the self checkout (and they don't have handles).

Supposedly we get a 5 cent credit for using our own bags, but that was never the motivation for using them. Part of it was the environmental thought, although I'm not sure it outweighs how the bags are made if I want to go that route. But it was mostly they just work better.

 

monk3y

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My mother has been bringing her own bags for ages but I have not followed yet. I do plan to, I honestly didn't know the bags were that cheap. What store btw?
 

Baked

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No. Most of the time I buy so little, I ask the cashier to skip the plastic bag. Costco I just use several boxes.

My folks use tote bags.
 

miri

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Originally posted by: monk3y
My mother has been bringing her own bags for ages but I have not followed yet. I do plan to, I honestly didn't know the bags were that cheap. What store btw?

I got them at Pavillions, they are all black with Vons on them.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: duragezic

Have any stores stopped using plastic and paper bags completely?

Some have gotten away from paper entirely, but not plastic. The flimsy two-handle type like they use at Wal-mart are cheaper than dirt. They might *like* it if you bought your own bags and saved them the fraction of a penny that a bag costs, but it would be economic suicide to force customers to bring their own.
 

Q

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Yeah the store I work at sells them, and a lot of people are starting to use them now. They are annoying to bag in though.

And yes, you get a 5 cent credit for each bag you bring.
 

nerp

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In most european countries, you have to pay per bag. People often just carry their goods without bags in the cart and load it all into the car. I use a few canvas bags when I go shopping and if I need additional bags I get paper. Paper bags make for good kindling/sticks storage recepticles and can be burned. :)

Plastic bags are really awful in the grand scheme of things. When humans are long gone, there will still be giant seas of plastic in the ocean and bags fluttering from rock crevices. The less plastic bags in my life, the better.

There is a continent-sized mass of plastic bags in the Pacific and is termed the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. It is currently about twice the size of Texas.

Plastic bags are nasty and should be eliminated. I think that San Fransisco and other municipalities enacting bans are on the right track.
 

miri

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Originally posted by: Quintox
Yeah the store I work at sells them, and a lot of people are starting to use them now. They are annoying to bag in though.

And yes, you get a 5 cent credit for each bag you bring.

Do they not stand up on their own? When I used to work in a grocery store, some people would bring in canvas bags that did not stand up on their own. That is why I am impressed with the .99 cent bags I just got, they stand up on their own just like paper bags.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: nerp
I think that San Fransisco and other municipalities enacting bans are on the right track.

Only for certain supermarkets. I know my local Safeway only uses paper bags, Walgreen still uses plastic bags.
 

ChaoZ

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Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: nerp
I think that San Fransisco and other municipalities enacting bans are on the right track.

Only for certain supermarkets. I know my local Safeway only uses paper bags, Walgreen still uses plastic bags.

I went to Walgreens yesterday. No more plastic.
 

looker001

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Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: nerp
I think that San Fransisco and other municipalities enacting bans are on the right track.

Only for certain supermarkets. I know my local Safeway only uses paper bags, Walgreen still uses plastic bags.

I went to Walgreens yesterday. No more plastic.

What do they use now? Paper?
 

dartworth

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It is estimated 100,000 marine mammals die each year because of plastic litter in our ocean in the North Pacific.
 

Chiropteran

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Originally posted by: dartworth
It is estimated 100,000 marine mammals die each year because of plastic litter in our ocean in the North Pacific.

So what. I'll continue to use plastic bags because I'm not going to go through the hassle of bringing a bunch of recyclable bags to the store each time.

The marine animals that die due to litter in the ocean isn't my fault, I didn't put the bags there. My bags go into the local landfill, same as all the rest of my trash, and it doesn't hurt anyone.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: nerp
In most european countries, you have to pay per bag. People often just carry their goods without bags in the cart and load it all into the car. I use a few canvas bags when I go shopping and if I need additional bags I get paper. Paper bags make for good kindling/sticks storage recepticles and can be burned. :)

Plastic bags are really awful in the grand scheme of things. When humans are long gone, there will still be giant seas of plastic in the ocean and bags fluttering from rock crevices. The less plastic bags in my life, the better.

There is a continent-sized mass of plastic bags in the Pacific and is termed the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. It is currently about twice the size of Texas.

Plastic bags are nasty and should be eliminated. I think that San Fransisco and other municipalities enacting bans are on the right track.

sorry dude, its greenwash nonsense.

plastic bags are fine, and make up a tiny percentage of our total waste. you cant blame bags in the ocean on everyone that is stupid. plus that is a lie. ocean garbage is not made up exclusively of plastic bags, but of general human garbage. if you throw the bag away in the garbage can everything is fine. plus of disposable products they get the most reuse, i use them as to as bin liners for some of my trash bins, and they hold kitchen waste before putting it in the outside can.

this hysteria over bags is just nonsense, finding something pathetically insignificant to demonize so the green idiots can feel good about carrying their canvas bags.

if you don't want them, thats fine, dont use them. just don't try forcing that bs on everyone else. i hate jackbooted eco thugs.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: dartworth
It is estimated 100,000 marine mammals die each year because of plastic litter in our ocean in the North Pacific.

So what. I'll continue to use plastic bags because I'm not going to go through the hassle of bringing a bunch of recyclable bags to the store each time.

The marine animals that die due to litter in the ocean isn't my fault, I didn't put the bags there. My bags go into the local landfill, same as all the rest of my trash, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

Plastic bags are made from a non-renewable natural resource: petroleum. Consequently, the manufacturing of plastic bags contributes to the diminishing availability of our natural resources and the damage to the environment from the extraction of petroleum. At the same time, plastics are hazardous to produce; the pollution from plastic production is harmful to the environment. Finally, most plastic bags are made of polyethylene - more commonly known as polythene - they are hazardous to manufacture and are said to take up to 1,000 years to decompose on land and 450 years in water. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1974750.stm)
The fact that plastics are not biodegradable means that the plastic bags in circulation and future production of plastic bags will stay with us for a long time: in our landfills, oceans, streets, and so forth.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: dartworth
It is estimated 100,000 marine mammals die each year because of plastic litter in our ocean in the North Pacific.

So what. I'll continue to use plastic bags because I'm not going to go through the hassle of bringing a bunch of recyclable bags to the store each time.

The marine animals that die due to litter in the ocean isn't my fault, I didn't put the bags there. My bags go into the local landfill, same as all the rest of my trash, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

Plastic bags are made from a non-renewable natural resource: petroleum. Consequently, the manufacturing of plastic bags contributes to the diminishing availability of our natural resources and the damage to the environment from the extraction of petroleum. At the same time, plastics are hazardous to produce; the pollution from plastic production is harmful to the environment. Finally, most plastic bags are made of polyethylene - more commonly known as polythene - they are hazardous to manufacture and are said to take up to 1,000 years to decompose on land and 450 years in water. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1974750.stm)
The fact that plastics are not biodegradable means that the plastic bags in circulation and future production of plastic bags will stay with us for a long time: in our landfills, oceans, streets, and so forth.

perhaps you should consider not "buying" an ipod and never replacing your pc then. they are clearly made of many things that will never biodegrade.


and well replacing plastic with paper is going to cost energy. paper weighs more, transport cost=fuel, manufacturing cost=fuel...fuel=petroleum.
 

ForumMaster

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we do. israel is going to ban nylon bags in the coming years and you won't have a choice. in europe for example, they are extremly hesitant to give out bags cause they cost a lot of money due to taxes. more and more countries are recognizing plastic bags for what they are: an environmental disaster. it costs mroe to recycle them then to create new ones. so none are recycled.
 

0roo0roo

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Series of blunders turned the plastic bag into global villain
Alexi Mostrous

Green Central: click here to read Times Online's environment blog

Scientists and environmentalists have attacked a global campaign to ban plastic bags which they say is based on flawed science and exaggerated claims.

The widely stated accusation that the bags kill 100,000 animals and a million seabirds every year are false, experts have told The Times. They pose only a minimal threat to most marine species, including seals, whales, dolphins and seabirds.

Gordon Brown announced last month that he would force supermarkets to charge for the bags, saying that they were ?one of the most visible symbols of environmental waste?. Retailers and some pressure groups, including the Campaign to Protect Rural England, threw their support behind him.

But scientists, politicians and marine experts attacked the Government for joining a ?bandwagon? based on poor science.

Lord Taverne, the chairman of Sense about Science, said: ?The Government is irresponsible to jump on a bandwagon that has no base in scientific evidence. This is one of many examples where you get bad science leading to bad decisions which are counter-productive. Attacking plastic bags makes people feel good but it doesn?t achieve anything.?

Campaigners say that plastic bags pollute coastlines and waterways, killing or injuring birds and livestock on land and, in the oceans, destroying vast numbers of seabirds, seals, turtles and whales. However, The Times has established that there is no scientific evidence to show that the bags pose any direct threat to marine mammals.

They ?don?t figure? in the majority of cases where animals die from marine debris, said David Laist, the author of a seminal 1997 study on the subject. Most deaths were caused when creatures became caught up in waste produce. ?Plastic bags don?t figure in entanglement,? he said. ?The main culprits are fishing gear, ropes, lines and strapping bands. Most mammals are too big to get caught up in a plastic bag.?

He added: ?The impact of bags on whales, dolphins, porpoises and seals ranges from nil for most species to very minor for perhaps a few species.For birds, plastic bags are not a problem either.?

The central claim of campaigners is that the bags kill more than 100,000 marine mammals and one million seabirds every year. However, this figure is based on a misinterpretation of a 1987 Canadian study in Newfoundland, which found that, between 1981 and 1984, more than 100,000 marine mammals, including birds, were killed by discarded nets. The Canadian study did not mention plastic bags.

Fifteen years later in 2002, when the Australian Government commissioned a report into the effects of plastic bags, its authors misquoted the Newfoundland study, mistakenly attributing the deaths to ?plastic bags?.

The figure was latched on to by conservationists as proof that the bags were killers. For four years the ?typo? remained uncorrected. It was only in 2006 that the authors altered the report, replacing ?plastic bags? with ?plastic debris?. But they admitted: ?The actual numbers of animals killed annually by plastic bag litter is nearly impossible to determine.?

In a postscript to the correction they admitted that the original Canadian study had referred to fishing tackle, not plastic debris, as the threat to the marine environment.

Regardless, the erroneous claim has become the keystone of a widening campaign to demonise plastic bags.

David Santillo, a marine biologist at Greenpeace, told The Times that bad science was undermining the Government?s case for banning the bags. ?It?s very unlikely that many animals are killed by plastic bags,? he said. ?The evidence shows just the opposite. We are not going to solve the problem of waste by focusing on plastic bags.

?It doesn?t do the Government?s case any favours if you?ve got statements being made that aren?t supported by the scientific literature that?s out there. With larger mammals it?s fishing gear that?s the big problem. On a global basis plastic bags aren?t an issue. It would be great if statements like these weren?t made.?

Geoffrey Cox, a Tory member of the Commons Environment Select Committee, said: ?I don't like plastic bags and I certainly support restricting their use, but plainly it?s extremely important that before we take any steps we should rely on accurate information. It is bizarre that any campaign should be endorsed on the basis of a mistranslation. Gordon Brown should get his facts right.?

A 1968 study of albatross carcasses found that 90 per cent contained some form of plastic but only two birds had ingested part of a plastic bag.

Professor Geoff Boxshall, a marine biologist at the Natural History Museum, said: ?I?ve never seen a bird killed by a plastic bag. Other forms of plastic in the ocean are much more damaging. Only a very small proportion is caused by bags.?

Plastic particles known as nurdles, dumped in the sea by industrial companies, form a much greater threat as they can be easily consumed by birds and animals. Many British groups are now questioning whether a ban on bags would cost consumers more than the environmental benefits.

Charlie Mayfield, chairman of retailer John Lewis, said that tackling packaging waste and reducing carbon emissions were far more important goals. ?We don?t see reducing the use of plastic bags as our biggest priority,? he said. ?Of all the waste that goes to landfill, 20 per cent is household waste and 0.3 per cent is plastic bags.? John Lewis added that a scheme in Ireland had reduced plastic bag usage, but sales of bin liners had increased 400 per cent. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ent/article3508263.ece
 

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I recently started using them when going to Publix. On occasion when I go to the other stores I just use plastic they have and reuse them as liners for my apt. trash bags. I never have any that don't get reused like that. That being said, the reusable ones are much easier to carry than the plastic bags.