Anyone else think Bush is dis-illusioned?

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I don't understand how someone can be so blind to the world he lives in.

I suspect it's the silver spoon/drug affict phase he went through for 40 years. But being wealthy somehow from that point forward really has kept the blinds shut to the middle and lower classes. He's supposed to serve 100% of american's interests but it seeems like he is serving about 1%!
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I don't understand how someone can be so blind to the world he lives in.

I suspect it's the silver spoon/drug affict phase he went through for 40 years. But being wealthy somehow from that point forward really has kept the blinds shut to the middle and lower classes. He's supposed to serve 100% of american's interests but it seeems like he is serving about 1%!

He's serving the interest of about a couple dozen and that's it. Everybody else are pawns and financial backing.
 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I don't understand how someone can be so blind to the world he lives in.

I suspect it's the silver spoon/drug affict phase he went through for 40 years. But being wealthy somehow from that point forward really has kept the blinds shut to the middle and lower classes. He's supposed to serve 100% of american's interests but it seeems like he is serving about 1%!

Purely a partisan thought process/statement. If you ignore most of the facts then you'd be correct.

From Factcheck.org
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Bush Tax Cuts:
The Burden Decreased for All Groups
(More for some than others)

Total Effective Federal Tax Rate


2004 Rates
Change Due to Bush Cuts

Lowest 20% 5.2% -1.5%
Second 20% 11.1% -2.1%
Middle 20% 14.6% -1.9%
Fourth 20% 18.5% -2.1%
Top 20% 23.8% -3.9%
Top 5% 25.6% -5.2%
Top 1% 26.7% -6.8%

Share of Federal Tax Burden

Lowest 20% 1.1% -0.1%
Second 20% 5.2% -0.2%
Middle 20% 10.5% +0.2%
Fourth 20% 19.5% +0.7%
Top 20% 63.5% -0.6%
Top 5% 35.9% -1.5%
Top 1% 20.1% -1.8%


Source: Congressional Budget Office, "Effective Federal Tax Rates Under Current Law , 2001 to 2014," Tables 2, 4.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I don't understand how someone can be so blind to the world he lives in.

I suspect it's the silver spoon/drug affict phase he went through for 40 years. But being wealthy somehow from that point forward really has kept the blinds shut to the middle and lower classes. He's supposed to serve 100% of american's interests but it seeems like he is serving about 1%!

Purely a partisan thought process/statement. If you ignore most of the facts then you'd be correct.

From Factcheck.org
I had to make changes to the format of this table and added only bold font. I double checked to make sure I didn't lose/add content. Please let me know if I left any content out.
Bush Tax Cuts:
The Burden Decreased for All Groups
(More for some than others)

Total Effective Federal Tax Rate


2004 Rates
Change Due to Bush Cuts

Lowest 20% 5.2% -1.5%
Second 20% 11.1% -2.1%
Middle 20% 14.6% -1.9%
Fourth 20% 18.5% -2.1%
Top 20% 23.8% -3.9%
Top 5% 25.6% -5.2%
Top 1% 26.7% -6.8%

Share of Federal Tax Burden

Lowest 20% 1.1% -0.1%
Second 20% 5.2% -0.2%
Middle 20% 10.5% +0.2%
Fourth 20% 19.5% +0.7%
Top 20% 63.5% -0.6%
Top 5% 35.9% -1.5%
Top 1% 20.1% -1.8%


Source: Congressional Budget Office, "Effective Federal Tax Rates Under Current Law , 2001 to 2014," Tables 2, 4.

Ah OK, got it, he's serving the Top 20% wealthiest Americans while disenfranchising the remaining 80%.

 

CaptnKirk

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This guy does

NY TIMES - CLIP

There should no longer be any doubt that the war in Iraq is an exercise in lunacy. It was launched with a spurious rationale, the weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to be a fantasy relentlessly stoked by obsessively hawkish middle-aged men who ran and hid when they were of fighting age and the nation was at war.

Now we find that we can't win this war we started. Soldiers and civilians alike are trapped in the proverbial briar patch, unable to move around safely in a country that the warmongers thought would be easy to conquer and then rebuild.

There is no way to overstate how profoundly wrong they were.

Our troops continue to die but we can't even identify the enemy, which is why so many innocent Iraqi civilians - including women and children - are being blown away. The civilians are being killed by the thousands, even as the dreaded Saddam Hussein is receiving first-class health care (most recently a successful hernia operation) from his captors.

Last week, in a story that read like a chapter from an antiwar novel, we learned that members of an Army Reserve platoon were taken into custody and held for two days after they refused to deliver a shipment of fuel to Taji, a town 15 miles north of Baghdad. They complained that the trip was too dangerous to make without an escort of armored vehicles. Several of the reservists described the trip as a "suicide mission."

The military said that was an isolated incident, but there is evidence of growing dissatisfaction among the troops, many of whom feel they are targets surrounded by hostile Iraqis -insurgents and ordinary civilians alike - in a war that lacks a clearly defined mission.

Even the heavily fortified Green Zone, which contains the U.S. embassy and the headquarters of the interim Iraqi government, was penetrated by suicide bombers last Thursday. At least five people, including three Americans who had been providing security for diplomats, were killed in the attack.

As the pointlessness of this war grows ever clearer, the president's grand alliance, like some of the soldiers on the ground, is losing its resolve. When John Kerry, in the first presidential debate, mentioned only Britain and Australia as he mocked Mr. Bush's "coalition" in Iraq, the president famously replied, "You forgot Poland."

Poland has 2,400 troops in Iraq. But on Friday the prime minister, Marek Belka, announced that he will cut that number early next year, and then "will engage in talks on a further reduction."

Mr. Belka has a political problem. He can't explain the war to his constituents. And that's because there is no rational explanation.

As for the rebuilding of Iraq, forget about it. Hundreds of schools were damaged by U.S. bombing and thousands were looted by Iraqis. It's hard to believe that an administration that won't rebuild schools here in America will really go to bat for schoolkids in Iraq. Millions of Iraqi kids now attend schools that are decrepit and, in many cases, all but falling down-lacking such essentials as desks, chairs and even toilets, according to the United Nations Children's Fund.

Military commanders are warning that delays in the overall reconstruction are increasing the danger for American troops. A senior American military officer told The Times, "We can either put Iraqis back to work, or we can have them shoot [rocket-propelled grenades] at us."

The president and his apologists never understood what they were getting into in Iraq. What is unmistakable now is that Americans will never be willing to commit the overwhelming numbers of troops and spend the hundreds of billions of additional dollars necessary to have even a hope of bringing long-term stability to Iraq.

This is a war that never made sense and now we are seeing - from the troops on the ground, from our allies overseas and increasingly from the population here at home - the inevitable reluctance to forge ahead with the madness.

The president likes to say he made exactly the right decision on Iraq. Each new death of a soldier or a civilian, each child who loses a parent to the carnage, each healthy body that is broken or burned in this war that didn't have to happen, is a reminder of how horribly wrong he was.
 

conjur

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Been reading and hearing of rumors that Bush's trip back to D.C. yesterday was to "reassess his campaign strategy".

Perhaps the news of many major newspapers endorsing Kerry, including most of the biggies in Florida and another biggie in FL that has always endorsed GOP candidates stating they CANNOT support Bush, is finally making him realize that people around the U.S. actually use their brains to think and are no longer falling for his campaign's non-stop stream of BS.
 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I don't understand how someone can be so blind to the world he lives in.

I suspect it's the silver spoon/drug affict phase he went through for 40 years. But being wealthy somehow from that point forward really has kept the blinds shut to the middle and lower classes. He's supposed to serve 100% of american's interests but it seeems like he is serving about 1%!

Purely a partisan thought process/statement. If you ignore most of the facts then you'd be correct.

From Factcheck.org
I had to make changes to the format of this table and added only bold font. I double checked to make sure I didn't lose/add content. Please let me know if I left any content out.
Bush Tax Cuts:
The Burden Decreased for All Groups
(More for some than others)

Total Effective Federal Tax Rate


2004 Rates
Change Due to Bush Cuts

Lowest 20% 5.2% -1.5%
Second 20% 11.1% -2.1%
Middle 20% 14.6% -1.9%
Fourth 20% 18.5% -2.1%
Top 20% 23.8% -3.9%
Top 5% 25.6% -5.2%
Top 1% 26.7% -6.8%

Share of Federal Tax Burden

Lowest 20% 1.1% -0.1%
Second 20% 5.2% -0.2%
Middle 20% 10.5% +0.2%
Fourth 20% 19.5% +0.7%
Top 20% 63.5% -0.6%
Top 5% 35.9% -1.5%
Top 1% 20.1% -1.8%


Source: Congressional Budget Office, "Effective Federal Tax Rates Under Current Law , 2001 to 2014," Tables 2, 4.

Ah OK, got it, he's serving the Top 20% wealthiest Americans while disenfranchising the remaining 80%.

I don't understand how someone can be so blind to the world he lives in.

I suspect it's the silver spoon/drug affict phase he went through for 40 years. But being wealthy somehow from that point forward really has kept the blinds shut to the middle and lower classes. He's supposed to serve 100% of american's interests but it seeems like he is serving about 1%!

I am clearly correcting his statement. 100% of the Classes got a cut. The class that pays the most in got the bigger cut though. That is one of the fundamental differences between the liberals and the conservatives. Fact is... ALL classes got a tax cut. If they didn't, prove it wrong. I gave my source. Give me yours.

In fact it will be impossible for you to show me where a class didn't get a cut so I don't expect you to reply to this with anything other than the "tax burden" burden issue. That is an invalid point since the levels that had less than a 1% increase in "burden" are still paying less with the cuts.
 

GrGr

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'The rich are the ones who pay taxes, so of course an across-the-board tax cut helps them the most. As soon as the poor start paying their fair share of the tax burden, they'll get a tax cut too.' - Ann Coulter
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: conjur
Been reading and hearing of rumors that Bush's trip back to D.C. yesterday was to "reassess his campaign strategy".

or how bout him visiting Democratic strongholds like New Jersey for the first time???

That shows how desperate and worried he is getting. :D :thumbsup:
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Damn it. I got trumped with some interesting facts. But the wealthiest people think they were stupid and simply irresponsible... Like Warren Buffett.

I'm startign to think we need another tax bracket or two. Those making over $500K and those over $1,000,000. Even one at $10,000,000

I mean, if you make over $10,000,000 a year, why not pay 40% at that point? I'm sure those people would be effected o a minimum. MIght be gettign a bit overboard at 40%, but I'm just trying to illustrate a concept. Why isn't this being broken down much more than it currently is.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Damn it. I got trumped with some interesting facts. But the wealthiest people think they were stupid and simply irresponsible... Like Warren Buffett.

I'm startign to think we need another tax bracket or two. Those making over $500K and those over $1,000,000. Even one at $10,000,000

I mean, if you make over $10,000,000 a year, why not pay 40% at that point? I'm sure those people would be effected o a minimum. MIght be gettign a bit overboard at 40%, but I'm just trying to illustrate a concept. Why isn't this being broken down much more than it currently is.

Actually why don't we do to them what they do with their Corporations???

Once they reach a certain point they offshore the entire Company to an Island like Bermuda.

We should boot folks that make over $10 million off the Continental U.S.

Turn the U.S. into Survivor Island.

 

Infohawk

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I think Bush is on antidepressants and is suffering from one or more serious health conditions and that this is putting more stress on his addiction-prone system . I think he almost wants to lose.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: GrGr
'The rich are the ones who pay taxes, so of course an across-the-board tax cut helps them the most. As soon as the poor start paying their fair share of the tax burden, they'll get a tax cut too.' - Ann Coulter

So THATS why we have a federal deficit...those damn poor people are holding out on us!