anyone else notice......?

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't understand why this is a valid complaint...clearly many people (not just Dems) were worried about various fraud activites before the election, but that was based on a lot of fear and uncertainty. Now that the elections have actually happened, and no major issues have yet emerged, I'm not sure why ANYONE would be making noise. The point made in the OP is only relevant if there WAS all sorts of fraud that the Dems are ignoring just because they won. Otherwise the point is silly, if pre-event concerns prove not to have been valid, what kind of idiot would keep making noise about them?

Do you honetly believe that if everything were the same, but the Democrats lost, that people on this board and in the media would not be going nuts over voter fraud and vote tampering? I hope that you do not believe that, you seem much more intelligent than that.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Throw away the tin-foil hats...the republicans lost and they know it was because they didn't connect to Americans with their issues so they're not going to whine about voter fraud and stealing elections like the democrats did (and failed, obviously).

Thats the point, Republicans can admit this (at least most of us can), but when Democrats lose it is because of fraud, not because their views to not resonate with the American people.

 

[Aisengard]

The only way the Democrats would lose in 2006 would have been by flagrant and obvious Republican vote-stealing, so yes

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Throw away the tin-foil hats...the republicans lost and they know it was because they didn't connect to Americans with their issues

What issues? You and your hero's have been saying everything is great.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Throw away the tin-foil hats...the republicans lost and they know it was because they didn't connect to Americans with their issues

What issues? You and your hero's have been saying everything is great.

My hero? Not a chance...'

What issues? War disaproval, irresponsible spending, etc...

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Yes I did notice. Though im cautiously optimistic about having the Dems win control, I find it blatently ironic that all the "voter irregularities" have been swept under the mat. They had their guns loaded even before the polls opened and were shooting them in the air before they had any information on the results. Soon as it became obvious the Repubs were getting owned they locked their guns up right quick and have been hush about them since. Its only an "irregularity" if the vote is Republican...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't understand why this is a valid complaint...clearly many people (not just Dems) were worried about various fraud activites before the election, but that was based on a lot of fear and uncertainty. Now that the elections have actually happened, and no major issues have yet emerged, I'm not sure why ANYONE would be making noise. The point made in the OP is only relevant if there WAS all sorts of fraud that the Dems are ignoring just because they won. Otherwise the point is silly, if pre-event concerns prove not to have been valid, what kind of idiot would keep making noise about them?

Hey if CEO of <insert company here> said they would deliver 2006 to the Democrats what do you think would have happen?

Why do the Republicans hide from logical questions

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Did watch any major networks when the polls openend? There were plently of places reporting problems across the states.

 

[dahunan]

I guess these guys can ignore evidence like this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...207107726851&q=hacking+democracy&hl=en

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Don't ge me wrong, the republicans screwed themselves...they had 12 years to get things right and obvioulsy the people have grown tired of them not stepping up to expectations.

However, now that the Dems won, all is right with the world and all the things they were concerned about prior to the election are now no longer issues since they won.

You are 100% right about why we aren't hearing complaints.

At the same time people are being critical of Allen and Burns because they might ask for recounts. Meanwhile they were all over Kerry for not calling for recounts in 2004.

I think it is a philosophical difference.

Also, notice that Bush stepped up and took responsibility for the loss. Does anyone remember if Clinton did the same in 1994?

Ahhh yes the Republicans have dignity.

Did you honestly forget the whole Macaca mess?

Do you not understand that you are on an Indian Americans website? What a tool dude. Just the fact that you are still here shows the mods inability to create an open environment on any forum.

Your point?
The winners never whine and cry like babies!!
isually the losers do the whining!
Its people like you who would call for an opposing view to be silenced because they do not have the capacity to post an intelligent rebuttal~!!~!!
:thumbsup:to Prof John!! :thumbsup:

But in this case dignity and character wins out over whining a making false acusations!!

If the opposing view is legitimate and has some value I would love to hear it.

If its some idiot supporting a known racist then I don't care to hear it.

I don't think racism is a valid argument.

"Oh well you know those damn Iranians held those hostages, lets bomb em"

"Oh you know those damn Somalians they dragged a marine through the street let us never help them again"

Those aren't valid arguments in my opinion.

If, after this election, there are valid concerns expressed by non-Christian-racist-extremists I'd love to hear them.

Be it on the war on terror or domestic issues. A lot of Republicans have valuable things to say about these subjects, but obviously the leadership of their party did not.

Your point?
The winners never whine and cry like babies!!
isually the losers do the whining!
Its people like you who would call for an opposing view to be silenced because they do not have the capacity to post an intelligent rebuttal~!!~!!
You just proved my point..lolol

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Don't ge me wrong, the republicans screwed themselves...they had 12 years to get things right and obvioulsy the people have grown tired of them not stepping up to expectations.

However, now that the Dems won, all is right with the world and all the things they were concerned about prior to the election are now no longer issues since they won.

You are 100% right about why we aren't hearing complaints.

At the same time people are being critical of Allen and Burns because they might ask for recounts. Meanwhile they were all over Kerry for not calling for recounts in 2004.

I think it is a philosophical difference.

Also, notice that Bush stepped up and took responsibility for the loss. Does anyone remember if Clinton did the same in 1994?

1. For the love of all that is fun, shut the fvck up about clinton. We could go back and blame the Founders for the Civil War but that doesn't change the fact that the people who were around at the time started it.

2. He hasn't been president for SIX YEARS. Bush has been president that whole time, and I think it's safe to say that he bears responsibility for pretty much the entire functioning (or dysfunctioning) of the Executive Branch, which is most of the government.

3. Two points in one, actually. One, you intimate that Clinton didn't own up without offering a shred of evidence. Two, you imply that the Clinton administration bore the responsibility for the large defeat. The GOP was largely to credit for the victory, it wasn't a backlash against Clinton. As we've seen, backlashes don't happen that quickly.

 

[compuwiz1]

Is it just me, or did anyone else notice higher gas prices today, now that the elections are finished?

 

[LunarRay]

Right... there was voter rigging....

The Left finally out smarted the dummies on the Right and had all the Left vote Right and then the Right turned those votes around thus giving the Left the win... what dummies.. thank goodness the Right is not going to have the Congress in January.. What a coup the Left pulled out this time...

No Complaints.. hehehehheh and expose themselves... I can just see the argument now... "They cheated.. they voted the wrong way and we didn't know it"

Ah.. well... "All's well that ends well"... and all I can say is... "Say goodnight Gracie".... hehehehehhehehheheheheh

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No complaints, no complaints? I'm pissed as hell. The hospital wouldn't let me out of my cell to go vote.

As the next Sec Def might say.... "ok.. Moonbeam... just how did you get into that cell phone..???" And "Did it make you THAT sick?"

But look at it this way... former everthing Moonbeam Brown is now gonna be the Attorney General of California... making him a path to the 2008 Presidential Race... hehehehhehe

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Don't ge me wrong, the republicans screwed themselves...they had 12 years to get things right and obvioulsy the people have grown tired of them not stepping up to expectations.

However, now that the Dems won, all is right with the world and all the things they were concerned about prior to the election are now no longer issues since they won.

"Dean calls for election changes, reform"

"WASHINGTON Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean says there needs to be election reform to make sure that everyone feels like their vote counts.

Dean says Democratic leaders should now focus on redistricting areas that were altered by Republicans. Dean says the party should also push for reforms when it comes to improving voting machines.

As for actual voters, Dean says Democrats made big gains in the Hispanic vote because of the way Republicans presented immigration reform.

Dean says that led many of them to decide that their "future was not with the Republicans."


Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

"

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No complaints, no complaints? I'm pissed as hell. The hospital wouldn't let me out of my cell to go vote.

As the next Sec Def might say.... "ok.. Moonbeam... just how did you get into that cell phone..???" And "Did it make you THAT sick?"

But look at it this way... former everthing Moonbeam Brown is now gonna be the Attorney General of California... making him a path to the 2008 Presidential Race... hehehehhehe

I will hire you if I decide to run.

 

[Moonbeam]

There was very little fraud and abuse of the election this year because most all the people who were going to steal it for the Republicans voted Democrat.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No complaints, no complaints? I'm pissed as hell. The hospital wouldn't let me out of my cell to go vote.

As the next Sec Def might say.... "ok.. Moonbeam... just how did you get into that cell phone..???" And "Did it make you THAT sick?"

But look at it this way... former everthing Moonbeam Brown is now gonna be the Attorney General of California... making him a path to the 2008 Presidential Race... hehehehhehe

I will hire you if I decide to run.

Once was enough... Besides, Who'd run the show.. Big Daddy is no longer with us..?

Edit:// Perhaps as Speech Writer... but god knows Moonbeam don't follow a text.. his ad lib is what gets him in trouble.. hehe and his Esoteric Ramblings about our place in the Cosmos growing increasingly problematic... Ah.. the days of wine and roses were a ending as is the Flora and Fauna a bit east of here..

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

The whole thing reminds me of what my 10th grade chem teacher used to say: "When you conduct an experiment based on your own theory and the results come out the way you wanted, you tend to be less inclined to examine your methods for errors."

If VA and MT had tilted the other way we'd be hearing endless crap about Diebold and fraud.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Don't ge me wrong, the republicans screwed themselves...they had 12 years to get things right and obvioulsy the people have grown tired of them not stepping up to expectations.

However, now that the Dems won, all is right with the world and all the things they were concerned about prior to the election are now no longer issues since they won.

You are 100% right about why we aren't hearing complaints.

At the same time people are being critical of Allen and Burns because they might ask for recounts. Meanwhile they were all over Kerry for not calling for recounts in 2004.

I think it is a philosophical difference.

Also, notice that Bush stepped up and took responsibility for the loss. Does anyone remember if Clinton did the same in 1994?

Ooooh, listen to the voices of the sidelined. SO much bitterness! Enjoy!

 

[smashp]

We have some of those problems happeining in cleveland area. They have a local spotlight on them


nothing "systematic" here in ohio

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't understand why this is a valid complaint...clearly many people (not just Dems) were worried about various fraud activites before the election, but that was based on a lot of fear and uncertainty. Now that the elections have actually happened, and no major issues have yet emerged, I'm not sure why ANYONE would be making noise. The point made in the OP is only relevant if there WAS all sorts of fraud that the Dems are ignoring just because they won. Otherwise the point is silly, if pre-event concerns prove not to have been valid, what kind of idiot would keep making noise about them?

Do you honetly believe that if everything were the same, but the Democrats lost, that people on this board and in the media would not be going nuts over voter fraud and vote tampering? I hope that you do not believe that, you seem much more intelligent than that.

My opinions about hypothetical conduct in hypothetical situations is irrelevant. For what it's worth, I think the Democrats probably would have been complaining about voter fraud if they had lost. But that isn't what happened, and given what actually happened, I don't see why a reasonable person would complain. If the concern is voter fraud, and no evidence of voter fraud develops, why would anyone complain about it? Yes, you could make the argument that IF the Dems had lost they would have complained anyways, or IF there had been a lot of evidence of voter fraud the Dems would have ignored it because they won. But, as they say, if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. Hypothetical situations are irrelevant, because they didn't happen...given what actually happened, I see no reason the Democrats' behavior is anything but reasonable. Perhaps it's for the wrong reasons, but the end result is the same...and arguing about what other people are thinking is a dicey proposition.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't understand why this is a valid complaint...clearly many people (not just Dems) were worried about various fraud activites before the election, but that was based on a lot of fear and uncertainty. Now that the elections have actually happened, and no major issues have yet emerged, I'm not sure why ANYONE would be making noise. The point made in the OP is only relevant if there WAS all sorts of fraud that the Dems are ignoring just because they won. Otherwise the point is silly, if pre-event concerns prove not to have been valid, what kind of idiot would keep making noise about them?

Hey if CEO of <insert company here> said they would deliver 2006 to the Democrats what do you think would have happen?

What is this fascination with hypothetical conduct in hypothetical situations? Some CEO didn't say they would deliver 2006 to the Democrats, what difference does it make what might have happened? Jeez, at least after 2004 the Dems were complaining about things the Republicans SUPPOSEDLY did, the bitching this time around is about things the Democrats SUPPOSEDLY would have done in some sort of imaginary situation that didn't actually happen.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Don't ge me wrong, the republicans screwed themselves...they had 12 years to get things right and obvioulsy the people have grown tired of them not stepping up to expectations.

However, now that the Dems won, all is right with the world and all the things they were concerned about prior to the election are now no longer issues since they won.

If you read the news, there were such complaints.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Wheezer
No complaints of voter fraud.
No complaints of voter disenfrachisement.
No complaints that people were barred from voting.
No complaints of voter machine hacking.
No complaints of voting machine irregularities.

Did watch any major networks when the polls openend? There were plently of places reporting problems across the states.

I know a lot of people that were not able to vote.

It was both Republicans and Democrats however more Democrats because of the location.

They could not stand on line for six hours and I don't blame them.

That is just criminally negligent in 2006 to not have enough voting locations and machines.

Some idiots, that so far are nameless, came up with the brilliant idea of reducing the number of polling places from 200 to 55.

Also reduced the number of voting machines proportionately as well.

This led to thousands upon thousands not able to vote in a city of 4 million people.

11-9-2006 City officials broadsided by "tsunami"

Mayor John Hickenlooper and other top city officials Wednesday began pointing fingers over who was responsible for Denver's disastrous election.

Hickenlooper said his staff last week tried to inspect the pollbook technology that sent Tuesday's election into chaos but was "rebuffed" by Denver Election Commission officials.

Commission executive director John Gaydeski said that never happened, to his knowledge. Election Commissioner Susan Rogers criticized Hickenlooper for working against the commission.

Meanwhile, City Auditor Dennis Gallagher called for the ouster of just about everyone at the election commission and reminded reporters that in June he sent the mayor a letter warning that "a tsunami is coming and we are not prepared."

The discord followed an embarrassing series of Election Day problems that led to long voting lines and an untold number of disenfranchised voters.
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They all should've been fired yesterday. But of course they won't