Anyone else let down by latest HL2 trailer?

[nRollo]

I honestly expected much better graphics, although I suppose with the huge outdoor environments that is asking too much on current hardware.

The gameplay looks really fun though.

The people's faces, zombie thing, could have been from HL1, IMO.

I guess I'm spoiled playing Doom3.

 

[fsstrike]

Ya the Graphics arnt amazing, id put them on Par with ut2k4. It will prolly blow d3 gameplay away tho

 

[Shinei]

Yeah, the graphics aren't that amazing, in my opinion... There are some neat effects, like the Strider's cannon, but overall I'm pretty unimpressed with the videos; Doom 3 does a lot of the same things, except for the massive outdoor areas (which can be accomplished through level-editing and the SDK). On the other hand, it appears that HL2 is using a similar physics system to Doom 3 (in that the bodies aren't thrown ridiculously long distances by being shot with a pellet gun); I sense that there will be a ton of "omg the HL2 physics are teh sux" threads come September if that's the case.

 

[Insomniak]

The video was mediocre, but I still anticipate the game.

 

[Tab]

Half-Life 2 is using the Havoc Physics engine. I dont think Doom III used that engine, graphically you're not going to drool over Half-Life 2 graphics, expect the characters faces maybe... Its looks pretty good though, but it doesnt need to have jaw dropping graphics...

 

[Shinei]

Havok 2.0 is usually associated with the ridiculous body-throwing physics of Painkiller and FarCry, however. It looks like Valve toned down the insanity of the physics engine and made it more realistic, like Doom 3's IK-based physics system. However, most people here are fans of seeing bodies with the mass of a balloon being thrown five hundred feet away from their point of impact, so if HL2 is using a realistic physics engine there will probably be a ton of complaints about it (similar to the dozens of "dooms physux sux bodies dont fly" threads so far).

Anyway, HL2's graphics were its main selling point in 2003. The delays have just let people look at other games, like Doom 3, which have better graphics. HL2 needs to either deliver bigger than HL1, or else Valve is going to get it in the neck from the angry HL fans...

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Shinei
Havok 2.0 is usually associated with the ridiculous body-throwing physics of Painkiller and FarCry, however. It looks like Valve toned down the insanity of the physics engine and made it more realistic, like Doom 3's IK-based physics system. However, most people here are fans of seeing bodies with the mass of a balloon being thrown five hundred feet away from their point of impact, so if HL2 is using a realistic physics engine there will probably be a ton of complaints about it (similar to the dozens of "dooms physux sux bodies dont fly" threads so far).

Anyway, HL2's graphics were its main selling point in 2003. The delays have just let people look at other games, like Doom 3, which have better graphics. HL2 needs to either deliver bigger than HL1, or else Valve is going to get it in the neck from the angry HL fans...

If uve read the HL2 stress test stuff, the graphics look outstanding in my opinion, they seem to have done some work to update the engine for sure.

And also, Havok 2 physics, is only the engine, the developers have to set what the parameteres are, the engine u buy is for the speed of calculations, the accuracy blah blah blah, stuff like taht, but the developers have full freedom to make it as realistic or as cartoony as possible

 

[T9D]

I thought it looked great. Really Good and crisp tectures. Just same ole scenes as the last few but aside from that I liked it. This is going to be a killer game.

 

[JBT]

I personally think it looks great and will be a good game over all. I personally think HL2 will be a better game than Doom3 and I even like D3....

 

[Shinei]

Drayvn: I personally prefer the realistic physics over the FarCry-styled physics system, I'm just saying that people will complain that the bodies don't react the way they want them to (that is to say, they don't fly like someone hit them with a railgun when all they got hit with was a pebble kicked up by a bike tire).

And I have seen the HL2 stress test. It's not that impressive, to me. It just showcases bump maps and looks generally like FarCry and Doom 3. Doom 3 wasn't trying very hard and it produced graphics that look just as good as (if not better than) FarCry and HL2, which says a lot to me about the engine's future when developers don't have to worry about catering to the extremely low-end DX8-only cards.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Shinei
Havok 2.0 is usually associated with the ridiculous body-throwing physics of Painkiller and FarCry, however. It looks like Valve toned down the insanity of the physics engine and made it more realistic, like Doom 3's IK-based physics system. However, most people here are fans of seeing bodies with the mass of a balloon being thrown five hundred feet away from their point of impact, so if HL2 is using a realistic physics engine there will probably be a ton of complaints about it (similar to the dozens of "dooms physux sux bodies dont fly" threads so far).

Anyway, HL2's graphics were its main selling point in 2003. The delays have just let people look at other games, like Doom 3, which have better graphics. HL2 needs to either deliver bigger than HL1, or else Valve is going to get it in the neck from the angry HL fans...

Huh? I guess you could say it, was. They showed off the games features, like facial animation... The game doesn't need to be groundbreaking graphically to be a great game. CS Source's physics aren't corny by any means, they arent over par at all.

 

[Shinei]

The facial animations thing is still tied to the graphics. I'll give Valve credit for the facial thing, I think that will become incredibly useful for machinima, but I don't think HL2 will be the same graphical quality as Doom 3.
And yes, you're right that the game doesn't need to be the greatest looking game ever to be good, but there's something about HL2 that just seems off to me. Like they're missing the magic from Half-Life 1, or something. It just seems to me like Valve is trying really hard on the engine, but not really on the game that much, considering the delays and the rumors about the storyline. I don't know, we'll see when the game comes out.

 

[bjc112]

Everyone seems to forget Far Cry..

That puts everyone now to shame.. As far as outdoor enviroments..
Far cry looks to have better graphics and awesome game play even in high actions.. I would HL2 would actaully run faster.

Half Life 2 gameplay i HOPE is going to great and maybe even better than the first..

Doom 3 raised the bar graphically a bit higher also.



* I did see a couple high res videos that i thought looked pretty good.. (HL)

Kinda confident that 1600x1200 with a bit of AA and AF could do wonders..

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I guess I'm spoiled by games that actually invest most all their assets into replay value instead of cutting edge graphics.

Doom 3 gets a "meh" from me with gameplay little different or better than HL1 (other than a heightened scare factor), HL2 I'm looking far more forward to but even then it isn't the main target on my radar as I'm far more interested in other games to come out soon.

 

[ronnn]

I think Far cry is about the best I have seen, but only have seen doom 3 and hl2 trailers. The beauty of Far Cry is what I like (but the indoor scenes were not that great). HL2 looks very grim and D3 is dark and inside - will be interesting to see what these new engines can do.

 

[FluxCap]

I was dissapointed because I have seen all of those scenes before, whey the heck don't they show us something new? The gameplay looks very fun though.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: FluxCap
I was dissapointed because I have seen all of those scenes before, whey the heck don't they show us something new? The gameplay looks very fun though.

this was my problem also. But after I saw some of the stills from the HL2 stress test, which looked better to me than any D3 still, I'm kind of expecting some serious graphical whoopie. It's not like they don't have 20-30fps to spare on some good eye candy (based on the insanely high fps numbers cards are getting in the stress test).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Shinei
Havok 2.0 is usually associated with the ridiculous body-throwing physics of Painkiller and FarCry, however. It looks like Valve toned down the insanity of the physics engine and made it more realistic, like Doom 3's IK-based physics system. However, most people here are fans of seeing bodies with the mass of a balloon being thrown five hundred feet away from their point of impact, so if HL2 is using a realistic physics engine there will probably be a ton of complaints about it (similar to the dozens of "dooms physux sux bodies dont fly" threads so far).

Anyway, HL2's graphics were its main selling point in 2003. The delays have just let people look at other games, like Doom 3, which have better graphics. HL2 needs to either deliver bigger than HL1, or else Valve is going to get it in the neck from the angry HL fans...

I think your exaggerating a bit. I think Painkiller is "just right". How far do you think you would fly if you were impailed by a 300MPH 4inch diameter 3ft. long metal tiped wooden bolt? Or a double barrel shotgun blast at point blank range. Or a grenade detonating at your feet. I think its on the money. Its just that your not used to this type of physics realism in a game most likely. They may have overdid it a little, but its hard to tell. I have never really seen the effect of a person getting shot in the chest at point blank range with a double barrel shotgun. And even if I did, I don't think I would be whipping out the measuring tape to see how far he flew.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Shinei
Drayvn: I personally prefer the realistic physics over the FarCry-styled physics system, I'm just saying that people will complain that the bodies don't react the way they want them to (that is to say, they don't fly like someone hit them with a railgun when all they got hit with was a pebble kicked up by a bike tire).

And I have seen the HL2 stress test. It's not that impressive, to me. It just showcases bump maps and looks generally like FarCry and Doom 3. Doom 3 wasn't trying very hard and it produced graphics that look just as good as (if not better than) FarCry and HL2, which says a lot to me about the engine's future when developers don't have to worry about catering to the extremely low-end DX8-only cards.

Very true about the physics, but i suppose since its not realistic, as in real life, if u shoot someone, they will in fact just crumple downwards, as the bullets when they hit them disperse inside the body and dont produce that much of a force, unless its like a massive slug. But again i think its balanced with fun and realism, its the best balance ive seen to date from the vids tho.

In the stress test, they had multiple shaders and everything, and i mean EVERYTHING was bump mapped or normal mapped, but again this is a stress test, so all of it was to see how well the cards performed, and from the benches they seem to do well, but again when it comes to the game, they will probably have to tone it down somewhat as most of the levels are quite big and the test was only small indoor maps

But damn i do hope they can pull of the grpahics of the test, because to me it looked very good

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: bjc112
Everyone seems to forget Far Cry..

That puts everyone now to shame.. As far as outdoor enviroments..
Far cry looks to have better graphics and awesome game play even in high actions.. I would HL2 would actaully run faster.

Half Life 2 gameplay i HOPE is going to great and maybe even better than the first..

Doom 3 raised the bar graphically a bit higher also.



* I did see a couple high res videos that i thought looked pretty good.. (HL)

Kinda confident that 1600x1200 with a bit of AA and AF could do wonders..

I love Far Cry, Its a GOOD game but have you ever played the multiplayer??? That has to be one of the worst games IMO... I think HL2 will offer good things in Single AND multi. I love a good single player game with out a doubt but a GREAT game to me offers both single and multi action.

D3 is also pretty weak in multiplayer too all games I have played with more than 3 people lags bad and its pretty uneventful anyways. :shrug;

 

[FluxCap]

Far Cry definitely looks great and the engine overall is exceptional. But like JBT said, the multiplayer aspect is terrible. I had more fun with the new CSS beta in 30 minutes than I did with my entire Far Cry beta + retail experience .

 

[Rage187]

agree, it didnt look that great, almost on par w/ CallOfDuty. The sewer levels look very similar in texture quality.


But I bet the game play rocks. Now if they could only merge the gameplay from HL2 w/ the graphics from D3, then we would be talking.

 

[DarkKnight]

link?

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Rage187
agree, it didnt look that great, almost on par w/ CallOfDuty. The sewer levels look very similar in texture quality.


But I bet the game play rocks. Now if they could only merge the gameplay from HL2 w/ the graphics from D3, then we would be talking.

Yikes are you sure? Even the leaked beta looks better than COD, to me. There are some maps that are gourgous in the leaked version, even if they are even missing textures here and there.

 

[gururu]

yahoo_hl2-trainstation.exe

i've been watching this over and over today. this game is going to be fantastic; the graphics, physics, character models are sweeeet.

I'd link it but I forgot where I got it.