Anyone else just counting the days until it would be possible for McCain to run for President?

Zenmervolt

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Seriously. It's absolutely ridiculous that people like Glenn Beck are held up as "leaders" while Ms. McCain gets ostracized. If more conservatives thought as she does, we'd have a fighting chance.

She's probably smart enough not to want to be President, but a man can dream. At the very least it's nice to see some sanity out of a conservative in the media; she's a welcome respite from the likes of O'Reiley, Hannity, and Beck.

ZV
 

Vette73

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I think there are plenty of republicans like her but they would never vote for a "liberal" dem even though that Dem is more in line with their views.

To many vote on party name and not the person or their values. That and the religious nuts that control the Rep's would not allow it.
 

jpeyton

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I really prefer not to see the name McCain anywhere near a Presidential ballot ever again.
 

masteryoda34

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
If more conservatives thought as she does, we'd have a fighting chance.

"Progressive-Republican" is about as much as an oxy-moron you can possibly have. I don't think she has any idea what she's talking about.

The GOP needs to listen to people like Ron Paul.
 

yllus

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To be honest, she strikes me as a complete airhead. I was just reading a blog post by her which really made me cringe inside - I'll post select bits here, but you really should read the entire thing.

Actually, re-reading the below, I think what bothers me about Ms. McCain the most is that she's taking this laughably fake and see-through "maverick" crap to a whole new level. Watch out, political world! Sassy young woman charging your way, and she's not afraid to drop a few f-bombs or call older men who've made the mistake of following her on Twitter "creepy"! The hell do you think Twitter is for anyways?

Karl Rove, Twitter Creep

Karl Rove follows me on Twitter. That?s creepy. I joined Twitter a few months ago; so far, it has been a liberating way to transition from political to personal blogging. It?s allowed me to share the less-serious aspects and humorously uncensored moments of my life. But there?s also been a downside: I am now being followed by Karl Rove, and my local sheriff, and God knows how many other political pundits. We need to take Twitter back from the creepy people.

On the surface, Karl Rove?s Twitter feed intrigues me. Here?s a guy who for years has been perceived as some kind of inaccessible man-behind-the-curtain figure. And now he Tweets numerous times a day. I?ve never met him in person, which only makes our Twitter relationship even weirder.

And to be honest, I find Rove?s Tweets boring. Sometimes he takes questions; other times he talks about his appearances on cable news and other shows. But he doesn?t say anything substantive. If I had to guess, I?d say Rove has a ?ghost Twitterer? (as in a ghost writer) or an assistant updating his feed for him.

Oddly enough, Rove?s Tweets seem to reveal a softer side to him. Call it savvy marketing, but I find it disingenuous. And it?s a bit weird to think his people?not even Rove himself?are following me. I?d like to think it?s because they find what I?m saying entertaining, but I can?t help thinking they?re just trying to seem connected to young people.

The Twitter creeps gets stranger. My local Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio recently sent me a Tweet about an answer I gave a fellow Twitter follower. He tried to tell me to go easy on them.

It?s really scary when the guy who houses his inmates in tents in the summer and whose most visible public-relations success involves pink underwear, boxers, and handcuffs tells you to tone it down. The sheriff also inexplicably Tweeted me to say my mother owes him $10. Say what?

But media-hungry politicians aren?t the only ones creeping me out on Twitter. Certain media outlets seem to want to ruin it for the rest of us, too. I was shocked when Think Progress and The Huffington Post reported on one of my Tweets?and even more shocked when HuffPo made it their front-page story. I replied ?Hey HuffPo, I am Twittering in bed in my pajamas, wanna report that too?? It went unanswered, of course.

I refuse to ?script? who I am, what I say, and what I do. The only person Tweeting on my account is me. I don?t have an assistant, friend, or spokesperson updating my feed to ?represent? me. (Seriously, would an assistant swear so much?) But this made me consider censoring myself. Who knows the next time The Huffington Post will have a slow news day and feel compelled to stick a headline next to a particularly unflattering photo of me?

My Tweets are not sound bytes. Of course, I recognize I?m choosing to Tweet, but seriously, can?t journalists find something more important and useful to report?

By contrast, my Dad?another new Twitter user?is making a real effort to use it effectively and not just pander. For one thing, it?s really him Tweeting. How could it not be given his sense of humor and constant shout-outs to Arizona sports teams? (In fairness to him, I?d initially assumed he had an assistant writing for him. But when I flat-out asked him, he was almost offended I?d suggested he wasn?t being as real as I am.)

Second, my dad prides himself on making his updates more than just, ?Watch me on Fox News tonight at 7.? And he?s always amused by the attitude I show in my updates?like father, like daughter.

In the end, Twitter is still maturing as a means to reach out and communicate with people en masse. But I can?t shake the fact that Karl Rove is following me?it can be creepy. So watch out.

Edit: I ended up posting the entire article. :p
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I really prefer not to see the name McCain anywhere near a Presidential ballot ever again.

glad to see you are staying open minded, I would expect nothing less from you.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Seriously. It's absolutely ridiculous that people like Glenn Beck are held up as "leaders" while Ms. McCain gets ostracized. If more conservatives thought as she does, we'd have a fighting chance.

She's probably smart enough not to want to be President, but a man can dream. At the very least it's nice to see some sanity out of a conservative in the media; she's a welcome respite from the likes of O'Reiley, Hannity, and Beck.

ZV

Who is holding Glenn Beck up as a leader? Must be the Dems cause GB isn't even a Republican; he's an independant.

If anyone happened to catch his 'tea party' remarks he says the Dems and Repubs are virtually the same etc.

Your thread title tricked me into this thread, I thought you were talking about John McCain. I was curious that anyone wanted to see him run again. As far as his daughter, no thanks, I prefer someone with experinece etc.

Fern
 

Carmen813

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I like her, but her definition of a progressive-republican sounded an awful lot like what we already have. Aside from possibly being more LGBT friendly, there wasn't much substance there.

 

masteryoda34

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Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger essentially do what M. McCain is suggesting? How is that working out for him?
 

Siddhartha

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It would make it an interesting political tableau if the GOP could make their tent large enough to have room for Ms McCain and Ms Palin.
 

bamacre

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I don't think she has real grasp on what the Republican party used to be nor what it has become.
 

lupi

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She reminds me of olbermann wearing a skirt, whole lot of talk, not so much on the substance.
 

Lemon law

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Megan is like 23, that 12 years before she would be eligible to run for Pres, but plenty of time to run for lesser offices, make a name for herself, get her ideas and face recognition up, and we shall see.

One thing for sure, this country and the various political parties will be vastly different 12 years for now. Sadly, IMHO, the current GOP leadership is in lala land, even as a partisan democrat, I had hoped they would be well on their way to learning from past mistakes. But I am now somewhat resigned to the fact
that the GOP learning process is going to take far longer.
 

Zenmervolt

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She's a better shot than the Republicans would have with just about anyone else. Yes, she's young and woefully inexperienced, but she has a decade (or close enough to it) before she would be eligible for the Presidential office, and realistically more like two decades. That's a lot of time to refine views and add the nuance that comes with maturity.

As far as Beck being held up as a leader, look at how many conservatives seem to be idolizing him. He may not be "Republican", but there are a whole hell of a lot of people who are registered as "Republican" who are looking to Beck for information and leadership.

For John McCain, if the man he was in 2000 could run again, I'd be behind him. But he proved in 2008 that he wasn't that man and I cannot see supporting him again.

Ron Paul is great and, honestly, aligns better with my personal views. But he doesn't represent a viable party center. If people like Meghan McCain are at the party center, the tent will still be large enough to include Ron Paul, but it will force out a lot of the extreme religious right which, frankly, is nothing but a millstone around the party's neck anyway. I think that's a good thing.

ZV
 

JulesMaximus

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I liked this response to that article:

I proudly proclaim my political leaning as "not Republican", and the Republican party won't have my vote for a very, very long time. The gay marriage wedge issue in 2004 was one of the final straws because as a straight, moderate middle-class American, demonizing homosexuality was an insult to basic humanity.

But this is definitely a step in the right direction. Kudos.

Pretty much sums it up for me. Well, along with the Republican party throwing fiscal responsibility completely out the window during the last 8 years.
 

ericlp

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/me rips out a sheet of tin foil for the op.

Yes you can.... Dream that is.
 

BoberFett

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Why do we perpetuate these family dynasties and political celebrities? We need to stop putting politicians and a pedestal. We need to stop desperately seeking the next person to worship like they're the fucking return of Jesus. We need to start putting some intelligent, pragmatic people into office.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I think there are plenty of republicans like her but they would never vote for a "liberal" dem even though that Dem is more in line with their views.

To many vote on party name and not the person or their values. That and the religious nuts that control the Rep's would not allow it.

Of course they wouldnt vote for a "liberal" Dem because those are the far left whackjob counterparts to the far right wing whackjobs in the Republican party.
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I really prefer not to see the name McCain anywhere near a Presidential ballot ever again.

Good way to consider the candidates. Of course, that's hardly surprising, you're almost certainly one of the idiots who votes purely by party affiliation.
 

Perknose

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Hey yllus. I just realized that you're posting about her blogging about twittering.

For some reason, this made me giggle. :heart:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Why do we perpetuate these family dynasties and political celebrities? We need to stop putting politicians and a pedestal. We need to stop desperately seeking the next person to worship like they're the fucking return of Jesus. We need to start putting some intelligent, pragmatic people into office.

Trip Palin for the '36 Republican Candidate!!
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Why do we perpetuate these family dynasties and political celebrities?
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We need to start putting some intelligent, pragmatic people into office.

Face it, ALL national politicians are or become celebrities in our celebrity obsessed culture whether they wish to or not.

Obama fits ALL other three of your paramaters nicely, though - he's intelligent, pragmatic and not from any family dynasty.

Did you vote for him?