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anyone else hate high refresh LCDs?

ElFenix

ElFenix

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every time i see one of these things whatever is on the screen (usually a blu-ray of something) looks fake. like the entire scene is computer generated. i literally cannot watch it. but it looks fine on a plasma.

i can't be the only person who sees this.
 
no your not , there are lots of posts on various forums about how they make everything look like plastic
 
don't confuse two tech, high refresh is separate from interpolation which is garbage. high refresh alone allows for 24p which is good, and can increase pixel response. interpolation is making something from nothing, making it look like bad cg
 
0roo0roo said:
don't confuse two tech, high refresh is separate from interpolation which is garbage. high refresh alone allows for 24p which is good, and can increase pixel response. interpolation is making something from nothing, making it look like bad cg
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well maybe that's it then. it was only after the high refresh sets came out that i started noticing it. maybe the high refresh 1080 sets are interpolating a 720 tv signal because i also noticed it on tv shows (grandmother's super high end sony set).

i'd also describe it as similar to an oversharpened picture. the detail level seems high but something just isn't right.
 
It looks more like the movie is going fast forward a bit. Its one of those things you can tell, like how you can tell European programming and how it's FPS differs.
 
ElFenix said:
well maybe that's it then. it was only after the high refresh sets came out that i started noticing it. maybe the high refresh 1080 sets are interpolating a 720 tv signal because i also noticed it on tv shows (grandmother's super high end sony set).

i'd also describe it as similar to an oversharpened picture. the detail level seems high but something just isn't right.
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they are separate features, but one allows for the other, so they tend to come together. just turn the interpolation off.
 
Huh? Can you give a name of a specific brand/model that doesn't allow you to turn off frame interpolation/AMP/Smooth Motion/whatever the manf wants to call it?

Not allowing you to turn it off would be a kiss of death for the set.
 
My buddy had this going on his new TV... it was driving me crazy. You guys nailed it - looked fake and like it was somehow in fast forward. I couldn't put my finger on what about the picture was bothering me... it was just weird.
 
vi edit said:
Huh? Can you give a name of a specific brand/model that doesn't allow you to turn off frame interpolation/AMP/Smooth Motion/whatever the manf wants to call it?

Not allowing you to turn it off would be a kiss of death for the set.
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I had a Samsung LCD for a week in 2007; even when the interpolation was "off" it was still on. Samsung has to release a firmware fix to allow off to be actually off. I returned the set, needless to say.
 
at first I noticed that "fast forward" look and disliked it. But now that I'm used to it, I love it. I definitely notice the lower refresh rates in 60 Hz LCD tvs now. I'm one of the few amongst my group of friends who has a 120 Hz LCD TV, and my friends comment on how nice it looks.
 
Cheap motion smoothing gives me a migrane. You can constantly see the places where it screws up and somebody's head or body suddenly jerks forward, or their facial features don't all quite move at the same rate or it introduces random artifacts. Barf!

My TV manages to avoid most of the above issues. But I still don't use it because one of the things that makes film look like film rather than cheap videotape is the lower framerate. We expect a little jerkiness from that 24 fps rate, and when you don't get it, it makes movies look like fucking Married With Children reruns.

120 Hz is good, but motion smoothing is not.
 
thomsbrain said:
Cheap motion smoothing gives me a migrane. You can constantly see the places where it screws up and somebody's head or body suddenly jerks forward, or their facial features don't all quite move at the same rate or it introduces random artifacts. Barf!

My TV manages to avoid most of the above issues. But I still don't use it because one of the things that makes film look like film rather than cheap videotape is the lower framerate. We expect a little jerkiness from that 24 fps rate, and when you don't get it, it makes movies look like fucking Married With Children reruns.

120 Hz is good, but motion smoothing is not.
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I think Samsung is one of the only companies that let you turn one or the other off. MOst other companies are turn them both on or you will not get either. My Sony does not have this issue, but I have only watched one Blu-Ray movie on it and it was a cartoon.
 
Fallen Kell said:
Someone just hasn't seen a properly calibrated display. On a calibrated display, the colours will be the same.
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I still prefer the way plasma render fleshtones, better blacks and price point.

When I got my 50" panasonic 1080p display for £1.4k xmas 2008 it was the best bang for the buck. The Pioneer Kuro was marginally better, but not 50% better imo.

If I saw an LCD with better fleshtones, blacks and a better price point I would have been all over it but I just prefer the plasma qualities. I can't stand RPTV but a lot of guys love and swear by it. I'm not a fan of the shimmering effect but also I'm in England so we don't get the huge selection that you guys get anyway.

Koing
 
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