Anyone else getting really tempted by the E6400s?

[Kremus]

Just a quick question.

For all the ppl who are just like getting the E6400 instead of the E6600 with the DS3.

What RAM are you using?

 

[Mayor West]

Just out of curiousity, if you've decided not to wait for prices/availability on the E6600, is it worth the price to go E6400 instead of E6300? Seems like they're almost the same chip; are people reliably OC results from the E6400 that are significantly enough better than with the E6300 to justify the ~25% price differential?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: n7
Don't get an Intel mobo...
The DS3 is the cheapest good OCing mobo AFAIK.
You can actually get really high with stock cooler, but things get really hot if vcore is increased too much, whereas a good cooler like a Scythe Ninja will run quiet & cool even with a lotta vcore.

I gotta disagree on that recommendation.

If you're talking price, then yeah, the DS3 wins.

But the Bad Axe Intel board and the ASUS P5W-DH will both run circles around the DS3.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I gotta disagree on that recommendation.

If you're talking price, then yeah, the DS3 wins.

But the Bad Axe Intel board and the ASUS P5W-DH will both run circles around the DS3.

I knew someone would jump on me for not adding an "excepting the Bad Axe" clause.
Sorry, i thought that was easy enough to figure out.
Actually though, i still wouldn't recommend the Bad Axe, as it tends to be a PITA to get OCed anyway.

Now that being said, please explain how the Bad Axe & P5W DH run circles around the DS3?

Yes, those two have a lot more features than the DS3, but how is that running circles around another board?

The Gigabyte will hit a higher FSB than either of those.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: n7
Now that being said, please explain how the Bad Axe & P5W DH run circles around the DS3?

Yes, those two have a lot more features than the DS3, but how is that running circles around another board?

For starters, I refuse to purchase a motherboard where I have to put old RAM in just to get it booted up. Then swap out. That's ridiculous. I'd expect nonsense like that from a $49 ECS board but not a $150 one.

The Gigabyte will hit a higher FSB than either of those.

That's YMMV and certainly not guaranteed.

 

[LW07]

Do you think that my selected Kingston memory might hold me back?

 

[n7]

I hate to be argumentative, but there are a lot of issues with the Bad Axe & P5W DH too.
I'll be happy to link you to many XS threads if you want.

I don't see the circles you stated.

Considered the DS3 is far cheaper than them & will on average outperform them in OCing terms, i'm thinking it's worthy contender, even with a few issues.

I don't want to get started on how i truely feel about the issues on all the Intel mobos.
I think you already saw my mini-rant on what a joke the current selection is, which still stands.
However, i'm looking to make the best of the crappy selection there is.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: LW07
Do you think that my selected Kingston memory might hold me back?

Yes.

Unless you are just doing light OCing.

If at all possible, you want 1:1 with Intel these days, & you won't get as far as i think you could 1:1 with that RAM.

I don't know US prices/selection terribly well, so i'll let someone else make a recommendation, but yeah, i personally wouldn't get Kingston unless it was a fabulous deal...

 

[zizo]

Originally posted by: n7


Yes, those two have a lot more features than the DS3, but how is that running circles around another board?

The Gigabyte will hit a higher FSB than either of those.

In general, 965 motherboards will hit higher FSB but are slower than 975X. My guess is that 965 chipset has slower timings.

I read many complaints about DS3 in XS forum, so I decided to spend 60$ more and get P5B Deluxe. Plus, I don't use my computer to bench superpi all day, and in games, 965 is not much slower to justify the price for 975X. This was my logic to choose P5B.

 

[LW07]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: LW07
Do you think that my selected Kingston memory might hold me back?

Yes.

Unless you are just doing light OCing.

If at all possible, you want 1:1 with Intel these days, & you won't get as far as i think you could 1:1 with that RAM.

I don't know US prices/selection terribly well, so i'll let someone else make a recommendation, but yeah, i personally wouldn't get Kingston unless it was a fabulous deal...

So what kind of ram do you recommend?

 

[zizo]

Originally posted by: zizo

Originally posted by: n7


Yes, those two have a lot more features than the DS3, but how is that running circles around another board?

The Gigabyte will hit a higher FSB than either of those.

In general, 965 motherboards will hit higher FSB but are slower than 975X. My guess is that 965 chipset has slower timings.

I read many complaints about DS3 in XS forum, so I decided to spend 60$ more and get P5B Deluxe. Plus, I don't use my computer to bench superpi all day, and in games, 965 is not much slower to justify the price for 975X. This was my logic to choose P5B.

For DS3 and 6300 or 6400, any ram that goes 450mhz or higher.

 

[LW07]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: LW07
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813121035
I was going to go with this mobo, but someone in the reviews said no overclocking options, so I'll leave this for consideration.

Any good OCing mobos?

And how much OCing could I get done with the stock cooler?

Don't get an Intel mobo...
The DS3 is the cheapest good OCing mobo AFAIK.
You can actually get really high with stock cooler, but things get really hot if vcore is increased too much, whereas a good cooler like a Scythe Ninja will run quiet & cool even with a lotta vcore.

The DS3 also has a lot of issues right now.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: n7

I will have to buy an ethernet card since i need dual LAN, & when UT2k7 comes out, i'm likely gonna be going SLI...but for the meantime...

Why dual lan ? why not just s hardware router or a switch ?

 

[LW07]

I am also considering this Zalman 9500:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118003

But the thing is, I'm worried about using thermal paste instead of a pad, and I fear putting too little/too much on it and frying the CPU.

And what do people mean by taking the mobo out? Taking it out of the case?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145034
And do you think this is good ram or should I shoot even higher?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145015
What about this DDR 675 ram?

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: n7

I will have to buy an ethernet card since i need dual LAN, & when UT2k7 comes out, i'm likely gonna be going SLI...but for the meantime...

Why dual lan ? why not just s hardware router or a switch ?

I have two ISPs.

I already have a router

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: LW07

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: LW07
Do you think that my selected Kingston memory might hold me back?

Yes.

Unless you are just doing light OCing.

If at all possible, you want 1:1 with Intel these days, & you won't get as far as i think you could 1:1 with that RAM.

I don't know US prices/selection terribly well, so i'll let someone else make a recommendation, but yeah, i personally wouldn't get Kingston unless it was a fabulous deal...

So what kind of ram do you recommend?

Well, as i mentioned, i don't know US selection well, but some stuff i can get in Canada i'm looking at:
OCZ XTC PC2-6400 4-5-4 kit that has a rebate.
Mushkin EM PC2-6400 5-5-5
Mushkin XP PC2-6400 4-4-3
Team Extreem PC2-5300 3-3-3

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: zizo


In general, 965 motherboards will hit higher FSB but are slower than 975X. My guess is that 965 chipset has slower timings.

Actually, the DS3 seems to be a top performer when hosting the E6300 (and presumably E6400) but lags behind when hosting an E6600.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1907931&enterthread=y

Interesting, no?

Were I looking at the E6300 or E6400, I'd be looking at a 965 board like the DS3.

 

[TheSlamma]

Not really, I have this thing called PATIENCE.. and my bank account reflects it.

 

[zizo]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Not really, I have this thing called PATIENCE.. and my bank account reflects it.

lol, same here. I get my 6400 next week.

 

[rklaver]

I have question! Can you tell me which benchmarks were you looking at. I was looking at gaming and encoding performances. The cpu speed seems to be more important. I'm going to look for some 2Mb vs 4Mb L2 cache benchmarks right now.

Hey Zizo, better late than never. Here was what I was looking at...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/07/14/intel_core_2_duo_processors/1.html

 

[Jules]

Makes me glad i got my e6300 for 200$ instead at 3.4ghz on my DS3 board.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Makes me glad i got my e6300 for 200$ instead at 3.4ghz on my DS3 board.

Sweet over clock! But I think ill wait for the big games coming out in the fall.

 

[LW07]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: LW07
Do you think that my selected Kingston memory might hold me back?

Yes.

Unless you are just doing light OCing.

If at all possible, you want 1:1 with Intel these days, & you won't get as far as i think you could 1:1 with that RAM.

I don't know US prices/selection terribly well, so i'll let someone else make a recommendation, but yeah, i personally wouldn't get Kingston unless it was a fabulous deal...

The FSB of the Mobo will be 266mhz(after you divide the 1066 by 4), and if you divide the 667mhz of the Kingston by 2, you'd get 333mhz, so I don't see how my ram would be holding me back unless I wanted to go above 333mhz, which I don't intend on doing. I only intend to go like 300mhz or other small-type OC.

 

[n7]

Ah lol.

If you don't want over 333, then obviously it's gonna be fine.

8x333 is only 2.66 GHz, much less than i'd want, but each to their own

 

[LW07]

Originally posted by: n7
Ah lol.

If you don't want over 333, then obviously it's gonna be fine.

8x333 is only 2.66 GHz, much less than i'd want, but each to their own

What if I decided to go E6600?

E6600 for ~$350 after the price gouging stops + 2 gigs of Kingston for $162 + a good mobo for $150-200 would be $712 pluss shipping!

And I could hopefully OC my E6600 to 9x333 and get 3ghz(I probably will only go 9*300 and 2.7ghz due to the law of diminishing returns, I don't know if the stock cooler could handle 3ghz, and I'm afraid of aftermarket coolers because they don't use thermal pads pre-applied unlike the stock coolers, and I'm afraid of putting too much/too little paste on and messing up).

I hope the Kingston will run at stock speeds unlike my current OCZ PC3200 which I had to set at PC2700 to avoid BSODs.:| Never going to buy OCZ again. Probably might even buy DDR 800 just to ensure against that.