Anyone do any Hi-Def video editing??

FOH

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I am going to build a new system soon and have been looking at video card options. But, every test and guide I have looked at so far has been all about gaming performance.

I don't do much gaming at all... almost never. What I do a lot of is video and picture editing, and I want to get into Hi-Def video editing soon. Are the new cards with all the bells and whistles any advantage to me, or will a basic card be just as good?? Any recommendations??

I don't mind spending the money if it will be better, but I don't want to waste money if there is no noticeable difference.

THANKS!!

 

HendrixFan

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I know some plugins will use the video cards to a small extent, but mostly the video card has nothing to do with video editing. The Magic Bullet Looks plugin that I use states this on their website:

Like Apple Motion, Magic Bullet Looks requires specific graphics card capabilities to run. Without the correct card, the software will not install or run, and the installer will warn you if you don't have the necessary graphics card installed in your system. Magic Bullet Looks supports a wide range of cards from both ATI or NVIDIA. For ATI cards, we require a 9600 XT or greater, or an X series card starting with the X700 series. Cards with greater model numbers and at least 128 MB of RAM can run the Looks engine. For NVIDIA cards, we support the 6600 model and higher or QuadroFX 1300 and up. Cards with higher model numbers and a minimum of 128 MB of RAM can run Looks. For users working with HD images, we require that the video card have at least 256 MB of RAM. In all cases, we suggest using the latest video drivers for your graphics card. Please Note Since all media is processed at 32 bit, you will absolutely need a 256 MB graphics card or larger. For newer cards from ATI and NVIDIA, we recommend a minimum of 320 MB of RAM. For 2K projects, we recommend 512 MB or a larger amount of RAM on the graphics card.

In my experience, when doing video editing you will see the biggest improvement with more RAM and faster hard drives. Very close behind those two is the processor. The video conversion is CPU intensive, but the actual editing work beforehand is RAM and hard drives.

A video card may have some tiny benefit, but you need to be sure you have already maxed out the RAM, hard drive (speed more than size), and CPU.
 

akugami

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Get a decent i7 quad core CPU. If you're not into overclocking, buy the fastest CPU you can. If you're into overclocking, well...you know what to do. There are 6GB RAM kits, I'd recommend you buy that. Make sure to get the 64 bit version of Vista (64 bit XP is not the greatest) to ensure your system can properly utilize over 4GB of RAM.

As for GPU assisted video encoding...don't count on it. While programs may get better and better at utilizing the GPU to help speed up encoding times, I wouldn't bother. There are no apps that are good enough for general purpose use that utilize GPU acceleration. Until apps like Mainconcept, TMPEG, ProCoder, etc, make use of the GPU for all levels of video encoding, I wouldn't bother.

Don't get me wrong, some of the video card guys will try to expound the great virtues of GPU video acceleration, but it's not there. I do think that GPU assisted video encoding and transcoding is the future but the apps really need to catch up and until they do, it is a checkbox feature that sounds cool but has near zero usability.
 

FOH

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WOW!! Great information... thanks!! It sounds like there is no need to buy the latest, greatest, turbo charged, fuel injected, card out there (i think i have cars on my mind!! LOL). That will save me some money to get a better CPU or more memory. I have a question about the 64bit vs. 32bit, but I will take that to the proper forum...... THANKS!!
 

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There are quite a few video editing apps that use the video card, CUDA in particular. The CS4 suite uses it also.

Your first priority should be a fast CPU (i7, or C2Q 9950 or 9650). Make sure you get new hard drives (7200.12 or Spinpoint F1 beat all but the newest Velociraptors in performance, so don't bother with the expensive crap) and make sure you get more than one!!! Get enough RAM (4GB min for C2Q, 8 if you can afford it; 6GB min for i7, 12GB if you can afford it and want to splurge [cause 6GB is plenty]).

If you have to go budget on any of the above, then you should worry about your video card providing CUDA or the equivalent.

I just upgraded to an i7 and run Vegas to edit my HF100 footage, and it's working fine. I got a GTS250 in case I need to move to a CUDA-enabled app, but I haven't wanted to so far.
 

jkresh

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cuda definitely can provide a benefit (with some software), if you have the budget go for a gtx 260 or better (no reason to go with the 285 or 295 unless you game), for optimized software the even a 260 could be 3-4 times faster (or more) then a i920 overclocked. Within the next year with opencl and other general purpose gpu languages more and more apps (and certainly parallel friendly apps like video editing) will work on gpu's (and on both ati and nvidia and larabee) but for now cuda is your best bet.
 

HendrixFan

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For encoding and filters CUDA may offer some benefit, but the majority of time spent video editing you are not converting video. If you are dealing with larger files (HD), then a shortage of RAM or slow drives will really slow a project down more than processing power.

For projects big or small, I can't remember the last time I spent more time on the conversion process than I spent editing. Its not even a contest when looking at how the time is spent. If you are just looking at ripping and converting movies (not editing) then a video card might be worth the money.
 

akugami

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I did a little more research on the state of CUDA. One common feature of my web searches was that CUDA enabled encoders did provide a speed boost. The second thing that came to mind though was the beta nature of most of these apps. They all pretty much did not provide the flexibility that any serious encoder needs at this time or the hobbyist probably doesn't need the speed boost.

As for Adobe CS4, it's GPU acceleration is OpenGL based so even ATI cards work with it. It does enhance some aspects when working with files. Most noticeably, zooming and rotation of images in Photoshop CS4 vs previous versions (again this works for all cards that support OpenGL 2.0). On my laptop, Photoshop CS4 was noticeably smoother in it's zooming with a C2D 2.8ghz and 8600m GT. The speed improvement on my Q9550 desktop was negligible in Photoshop but I have 8GB of RAM as well as an overclocked 3.6ghz CPU. Slower CPU's may benefit but again it won't matter if your GPU is ATI or nVidia so long as it supports OpenGL 2.0.

It's also said to speed up After Effects, though I don't know to what degree since I have not used that program.

Where it should really shine is in Adobe Premiere CS4 with the RapiHD plugin. RapiHD is made by the same company that produced Badaboom. Considering the beta nature of Badaboom, I do not currently have high hopes for RapiHD. I did find one test for RapiHD but to be honest, I felt the test did not provide enough information to make a truly informed decision.

RapiHD test here. TMPEG 4.0 test. For one thing, parameters and settings is severely lacking (in the RapiHD test). For another, anyone who is even contemplating buying Premiere and then shelling out even more money to buy a plugin for it to accelerate video is not going to be using a dual core CPU, though it's more likely with TMPEG. They'll be using a quad core CPU and 4GB of RAM. TMPEG is also not exactly a pro level app and more for home hobbyist who do not care as much about quality or power. Either way I'd love to see what CUDA does on a machine built with video encoding in mind rather than the ones I've seen in these previews.

Either way, Adobe CS4 is very very very expensive and not for the common person. Heck, my copy is somewhat of a grey area since I use my work place's license at home...I certainly would not spend that kind of money on a pro level app for home use. But having access to a copy of Adobe CS4...the GPU acceleration is not worth buying an nVidia card for at this time.

Obviously I've stumbled accross nVidia demonstrations showing how great CUDA is in helping video acceleration but doing searches by other people show a severe lack of information and testing available. The software is likely in beta form or works only in very specific situations.

At this point in time it is stupid to spend extra money to buy a better video card in the hope it will help video encoding. The software is simply not ready to support the hardware yet. Get the best CPU you can now and when the software is ready, then buy whichever is the best video card that will help video encoding. And likely it will be an nVidia card. At that point, video cards should be cheaper and faster so you get more bang for the buck instead of being an early adopter who buys a product not quite ready for prime time.

To be honest, when converting most of my video, it is usually done when I don't need the computer. A lot of times I will queue a few files to encode and start the batch before I go to sleep. Honestly if you budget your time correctly, encoding times won't matter as much. That is assuming your computer is not so slow that it takes hours to encode one file.

HendrixFan and LokutusofBorg has it right, the biggest thing is to make sure you have a fast hard drive, a fast quad core CPU and a minimum of 4GB's of RAM. Last on the list should be the video card.
 

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Originally posted by: FOH
I am going to build a new system soon and have been looking at video card options. But, every test and guide I have looked at so far has been all about gaming performance.

I don't do much gaming at all... almost never. What I do a lot of is video and picture editing, and I want to get into Hi-Def video editing soon. Are the new cards with all the bells and whistles any advantage to me, or will a basic card be just as good?? Any recommendations??

I don't mind spending the money if it will be better, but I don't want to waste money if there is no noticeable difference.

THANKS!!

I do video editing with Vegas Pro 8. There won't be a noticeable difference in terms of the video card. It has the least to do with the performance of most video editing software.

Also, I wouldn't even think of using my LCD computer monitor for editing, especially color correcting.

My external JVC TM-H150CGU CRT monitor gives me all the resolution I need without any LCD problems. The results look great on customers CRT and LCD televisions.

http://www.ggvideo.com/jvc_tmh150cgu.php

My camera is a Sony PMW-EX1.

John
 

DimZiE

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from my exp w/ vegas, and premiere pro.. get the fastest quad-core you can afford...AMD is pretty good n cost less than intel..lotsa RAM 4 GB is pretty much common nowadays i'm runnin 8 GB (memory speed does affect performance, but in this case i found my 8GB DDR2 perform better than my similarly configured box with 4 GB DDR3)
fast HDDs with big memory buffers really helped as well...i tried one of the DV series card from pinnacle and it help a LOT (no render on premiere and several other apps)..

graphic card ?? any decent PCiE VGA w/ DVI n HDMI port should do just fine..altho i use a HD4870 to play games occasionally....VGA memory does not matter..i had one 256 MB , and one 512 Mb cards which perform almost identically in terms of editing suite(s)

a good plasma or LCD also helped to keep u goin for a long night edit session..something around 21" and above should work fine...my 22" @1280x1024 served me better than then my ol' 17" ( coz' i use to squint a lot to get a clearer look on the timeline bar :D )

i use audigy for soundcard (just because it had the front panel jacks, i just love it !!) some programs encode audio tracks faster on it and sometimes i don't have to conform the track when importing an audio file with bitrate 48KHz 16-bit...

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DimZiE

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uh yeah altho most motherboards have it these days, make sure u get one with a Firewire port... i was tryin to cut cost once by buying an entry level mobo and ended up having to buy a Firewire controller..cuz sum cameras doesn't support USB :D and capturing w/ Firewire is a lot simpler and no hassle looking 4 drivers and stuff :D
 

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In Vegas Pro 8 AVCHD to H.264 encoding speeds went up considerably going from a QX9650 at 4GHz to an i7 940 at 3.8GHz. i7 with HT ON does great with encoding!