Anyone crazy enough to justify this these days?

[skipsneeky2]

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6..._2011_939_940_AM2_Xeon_CE-48-S-1C.html?tl=g49

Man,is there anyone this hardcore nowadays or did we soften up?I would love to own this piece of work just to overclock the holy hell out of my i7 3770k cause at 4.5ghz,i am already loading beyond my comfort zone and ended up being a pus*y sticking to 4.1ghz.

I remember these units were very popular but i swear no one mentions them anymore,but i am feeling a bit nostalgic remembering how far i pushed a pentium 4 2.4ghz chip beyond 3.5ghz using a window swamp cooler blowing in near 40 degree cold air directly into my tower and i miss those extreme things i did to squeeze just a bit more performance out of a computer component.

Is the hardcore group slowing dying off or is there someone still crazy looking for the most cfm out of 120mm fans,water cooling to some extreme or considering a phase unit just to overclock to the heavens?

 

[Red Hawk]

Geez. I could build a whole new system for that price. And really, what performance boost do you actually get for all of that money? If you're willing to spend that much money on CPU performance, why not just buy a Sandy Bridge-E where you'll see tangible benefits in multi-threaded apps and leave it at that?

 

[skipsneeky2]

Just looking to call out those who are really this extreme and me myself just don't see any reason for socket 2011 for gaming but there is those i believe still who can overclock to a extreme for sport on budget parts or even to break some kind of a record

When i pushed my socket 478 pentium 4 2.4ghz pass 3.5ghz on a asus p4c800-e deluxe,i know the core 2 duos blew right pass but it was such a accomplishment i just took it all the way to the limit.

I feel some hardware is becoming way to soft for overclocking,especially the gtx600 series and its tragic for certain.

 

[Idontcare]

I have a vapochill LS in my basement that I intend to ghetto-bolt onto my 3770k once all the initial delidding tests are done.

I used it for a number of years on my QX6700, took it to 4GHz rock stable all the way back in 2006. Its good for about 270W of CPU power dissipation before it loses the battle and temps climb.

 

[skipsneeky2]

I have a vapochill LS in my basement that I intend to ghetto-bolt onto my 3770k once all the initial delidding tests are done.

I used it for a number of years on my QX6700, took it to 4GHz rock stable all the way back in 2006. Its good for about 270W of CPU power dissipation before it loses the battle and temps climb.

Yeah,that was about the time they really became popular,i remember the story of them slacking support for the socket 1366 chips or so i read.

Guess those chips just drawed to much juice,but chips like ivy will be such a pleasure just to overclock.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Man,is there anyone this hardcore nowadays or did we soften up?

Nowadays PCs are cheaper (making such a cooler add a huge % to the price of the unit) and CPUs have outpaced software needs. Going from a $2000 PC to a $3000 PC back when an 80% overclock made a difference is quite a ways from going from a $1000 PC to $2000 when you can overclock 40% on air and even at that you're going to be GPU limited in 99.99% of games.

 

[Idontcare]

Yeah,that was about the time they really became popular,i remember the story of them slacking support for the socket 1366 chips or so i read.

Guess those chips just drawed to much juice,but chips like ivy will be such a pleasure just to overclock.

They lost favor not because of power-draw of the chips but more just because of the noise and cost of the compressor.

It would be one thing to drop $1k on cooling and have -40C cooling but have it be just as quiet as water-cooling. But its not. You drop $1k on vaporphase cooling and it is noisier than air cooling. It is crazy loud.

After running mine for 2yrs, I took it off and went back to a Tuniq tower (had to drop the clocks of course) but the peace and quiet was pure bliss.

I'll put it on my 3770 just for some tests but it won't be there for 24/7 use. No way am I going back to the noise, not even if the system was free would I accept the noise levels nowadays.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Idontcare, what was the efficiency on those things?

 

[borisvodofsky]

I think most people here were ghetto enough at some point in their lives to have experienced window-unit air-conditioning.

LOUD MotherF!@#$%%^. now imagine that for 8 hours everyday you use a computer.

that's why they're not favored.

To really use a vapochill, you really need something like a dedicated closet to put the chiller in. Drill BIG hole in door, and pass the the thingie through.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Do it !!

 

[borisvodofsky]

Do it !!

I've honestly thought about it, because I can't air-condition my room due to anemia.

But I'm stopped myself because of the potential fire-hazard of having a cheap device, made in China, produce tons of heat in an enclosed unmonitored closet-space.

 

[KingFatty]

For that money, would it be more challenging/fun to buy a mini freezer and hack it up to try to get some kind of refrigeration system going?

 

[borisvodofsky]

For that money, would it be more challenging/fun to buy a mini freezer and hack it up to try to get some kind of refrigeration system going?

This vapo chill units are using the SAME compressors used in mid-size refrigerators.

As far as "refrigeration" goes, it involves air, keeping air cold, thus the food.

that is not what we're trying to do. We want to cut the air part out.

We want the cooling pipes to touch the processors as directly as possible. Thus this is not traditional refrigeration.

Putting a computer inside a standard mini-fridge would also be pointless, because the cooling coil cannot pull the heat out of the ambient fast enough.

 

[Idontcare]

Idontcare, what was the efficiency on those things?

Roughly 1:1.

For every watt of heat that you need removed from the CPU you end up using another watt in the compressor cycle to do it.

So my 270W 4GHz QX6700 was cooled with a ~330W vaporphase cooler.

It is a lot of power usage, but its not that awful, not like having quad-SLI or anything.

For that money, would it be more challenging/fun to buy a mini freezer and hack it up to try to get some kind of refrigeration system going?

Except with vaporphase cooling you are looking at -50C to -40C temperatures whereas pretty much any retail fridge/freezer is going to at best be able to hit -20C temps and it is not going to be able to sustain that once you put a 300W heater inside it.

Vaporphase cooling is expensive because its expensive to cool things to -50C temps when those things are belching out 300W of heat, there are no shortcuts to take. Water-cooling is the only real shortcut to take there and depending on how fanatical you get with it you might not end up saving much money either (but you will save on the noise!).

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I could quote IDontCare with my post here, but don't disagree with anything said.

There had been a lot of myth and hype over cooling during the last decade. But even the liquid nitrogen junkies needed to push their VCORE way above spec to achieve near-unbelievable speeds.

Other information eventually got an airing on the forums -- posted by Intel techies themselves. You couldn't really count on super-cooling of Intel processors to get you super-conductivity and normal or lower voltages to get those higher speeds.

On the other end of the spectrum, it had been noted that excess heat would damage eventually the boundary between pin-outs for the processor and the chip itself. But in a reasonable range of higher temperatures, increments of temperature and heat didn't adversely affect processor performance. The best that can be said is that you could get stability at slightly higher speeds for over-clocking with lower temperatures.

So as someone said -- faster processors with lower TDP specs have made it seem cost-ineffective to purchase these devices and then pay for the additional Kilowatt hours.

 

[Ferzerp]

Roughly 1:1.

Really? That's *awful* efficiency for a heat pump.

edit: wiki cites 3-5:1 (depending upon heat transfer mechanism, air or water) for HVAC type heat pumps. Of course, those are at more reasonable output temps.

 

[Paul98]

My guess is because the need for slightly higher clock speeds isn't there for most people anymore. For doing most tasks that small extra speed won't be noticed. Where as before when things took a while to begin with that small speed boost really did help.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

All you have to do is buy a freezer and stick your computer in there. And add a bunch of anti moisture pads

 

[bleucharm28]

http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...result&search_in_description=1&keyword=hailea

I was going to get one, but i bought AC unit instead.

 

[borisvodofsky]

http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...result&search_in_description=1&keyword=hailea

I was going to get one, but i bought AC unit instead.

OMG, i didn't know these things existed in small form factor. I thought there were only industrial models for seafood farms.

How loud is this.

 

[lopri]

Those things got a lot cheaper? I thought they were like $2K+

 

[Rubycon]

All you have to do is buy a freezer and stick your computer in there. And add a bunch of anti moisture pads

Not quite.
Compact freezers are not designed for continuous load, low evaporator pressure operation. The compressor will fail and the system won't be nearly as cool. Put a 300W lightbulb inside your freezer and see what happens.

These are comparable to super stock drag racing (LN2/He is top fuel hehe)...
To the owners of such systems noise, power consumption, PIA factor, etc. is of secondary concern!

If you want low temperatures and stable o/c go with high end air. Lots and lots of radiator, a GOOD pump and you're good to go.

Those things got a lot cheaper? I thought they were like $2K+

It's quite entry level. A higher end three stage cascade 2hp unit can cost several grand depending on the builder and your requirements, etc.

 

[Idontcare]

My guess is because the need for slightly higher clock speeds isn't there for most people anymore. For doing most tasks that small extra speed won't be noticed. Where as before when things took a while to begin with that small speed boost really did help.

LOL, so true. In fact you could say the need was never really there in the first place, as evidenced by the fact the sub-zero cooling industry never really took off beyond the boutique phase.

What little TAM there was for better-than-air cooling was pretty much gobbled up when water-cooling came of age.

I had vaporphase cooling and ramdrives, and watercooling did to the vaporphase market what SSD's did to the ramdrive market.

In my case I needed the clockspeed because my app of interest was single-threaded, and it was a "time is money" situation. So the cost of the vaporphase unit was really pennies in a bucket at that point in time. But, as you rightly point out, how many users actually find themselves in that situation? Maybe a few dozen on an annual basis?

There is no question though, absolutely no question, that when it comes to performance/dollar and overclocking, the moment you find yourself adding low-end water-cooling (H100) or even high-end air (NH-D14) you've lost the the fiscal argument that your overclocking improvements with the added cooling are justified (because they aren't, not performance/dollar-wise).

So you've got to find other excuses reasons to justify the expense of high-end air cooling, or low-end water...mine were justified as "sating one's curiosity" and "I want a comparable overclock but a quieter overclock".

 

[Batmeat]

Reminds me when peltiers were the fad. Here

 

[Puppies04]

Put a 300W lightbulb inside your freezer and see what happens.

I put one in there yesterday, didn't know how long to leave it but when I just had a sneak peak it just looked a bit frosted over.