anyone and everyone, please i need some answers

[crzyjackel69]

Hey whatup guys I just decided to jump on the bandwagon and join the forum. ive been referring to it alot in the past few months and i know you guys are great guys and keep noobs like me in mind.

Anyways, i just built my new rig and i am planning on ocing really soon because i only have an x2 3800 and i know i can take it to at least a 5000. im relatively new to ocing and ive read many many manuals on how to do it, but i still have a few questions.

1. after you find your max HTT speed, like 280 or 300, do you put all your settings back to default and adjust the ram, or do you keep everything the same and then adjust the ram?

2. does anyone know of any retail store or organization/center i can visit that has real knowledge on how to OC and that can show it to me first hand?

3. Say i have my computer overclocked and everything is stable. will my HT multiplier STILL be at 3X, or return to 5X? Also, will my HTT link be at 1000 or less?

Thank you all very much i appreciate the gesture.

 

[Harvey]

You came to a good place. Start here -->

Quick and dirty A64 clocking guide **UPDATE** X2 OC information!

 

[betasub]

Welcome to the forums.

Read the guide (link above c/o Harvey) and you will find the path to enlightenment.

 

[crzyjackel69]

like i said, ive read almost every guide there is to read and i still dont quite understand. and what is with the sata 1 2 lock thing...what do hard drives have to do with this?

tanks

 

[catalysts17az]

First thing first leave your HT multiplier at 3, some boards are unstable at 4 even though your under the 1000Mhz FSB so 3 is a safe bet. secondly i have a friend that works at B.Buy and he is the only one that knows anything about what your talking about out of the whole geek squad that works with him, buy the way there always calling him for something. that being said don't be surprised if you know more about computers than a geek squad agent. This is were i will stop as i have not jumped on the DDRII bandwagon, my stuff is still good and i will wait for DDRIII in about a year before i jump again. looking at your part list, it looks like you did your homework. good job on choosing quality parts. Hesitant about the PQI parts, but i dont know much about them.

 

[catalysts17az]

The Locks from what i understand. usually sata 1 & 2 are unlocked so in order to OC safely try using Sata 3 & 4 on your DFI board which will be locked. I have two DFI boards, the expert (s939) and the Nforce 3Gb (s754) both are damn good boards.

 

[crzyjackel69]

hey bro thanks for the reply and for the acknowledgement. lol yeah ive actually been doing my homework for some years now but have never actually had the funds to put together a dream rig. as such ive usually been stuck with dells and sonys. and the PQI is because the dell i had before i built my comp was obviously not worthy of ocing ram, not to mention even DDR2-800. This week im ordering TWIN2X2048-6400-its cl5, but with a board like DFI i can just up the dramv. and lower the latencies to cl4.

the whole ocing thing to me is semi-clear...the problem is that im kind of a slow learner and i really need specific details for it to come together for me. considering im a senior in high school i wouldnt say that im too worried about a lack of knowledge, but i do have a genuine desire to get the most out of my components, and thats why im here


marudeen

 

[crzyjackel69]

 

[myocardia]

0- Welcome to Anandtech
1- The purpose of finding each components' max. frequencies is so you don't end up spending a week trying to figure out why you can't go above 275 Mhz FSB/HTT, no matter which RAM divider you use, only to find out, after you spend $250 on better RAM, that the problem all along was your motherboard. You set everything back to it's default between each round, except your vcore and vdimm (and HT multiplier).
2- No such a place exists. Not enough people overclock for a place like that to stay in business, especially when there are at least 150 hardware/overclocking forums like anandtech (just not as good).
3- A low HT multiplier hurts nothing. As long as it's above 600 Mhz (3x200), you lose absolutely no performance. And since you'll be overclocking, it will be above 600.

edit: BTW, everything in Zebo's overclocking guide still applies for you, except the vdimm. I wouldn't recommend using more than 2.0v of vdimm, with your RAM.

 

[crzyjackel69]

well since socket am2 is ddr2, i dont quite understand how the ram and the cpu would work together. should they be 1:1...isnt that impossible? with my corsair6400, my ram would br 400+ and my cpu would be 250+, wtf?

 

[Aluvus]

Originally posted by: crzyjackel69
like i said, ive read almost every guide there is to read and i still dont quite understand. and what is with the sata 1 2 lock thing...what do hard drives have to do with this?

tanks

If the SATA channel your hard drive is connected to is not locked, then the SATA operating frequency will change when you overclock. That will cause data corruption and just generally make your life less fun.

 

[crzyjackel69]

ic thanks dude, since i only have one sata ill just switch it to the third sata port on my mobo to be safe.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: crzyjackel69
well since socket am2 is ddr2, i dont quite understand how the ram and the cpu would work together. should they be 1:1...isnt that impossible? with my corsair6400, my ram would br 400+ and my cpu would be 250+, wtf?

Okay, your RAM should be running at the same speed as your processor before overclocking, but without the processor's multiplier. Does that make more sense? For instance, right now, I'm running my cpu @ 11x219. Guess what speed my RAM is running? That's right, 219. <--- It doesn't have a cpu multiplier, since it isn't a cpu.

But, before you start raising your HTT, you'll want to raise the timings on your RAM. That cheapo RAM isn't going to go very far, with 3-4-4-x timings. Put it at 5-6-6-18 timings, and it really ought to be able to do 333/667 DDR, possibly higher. And don't forget to lower your HTT multiplier.

 

[crzyjackel69]

well im getting corsair stuff really soon so cheapo ram isnt an issue. so what ur saying is that ddr2-800 ram can run at 219mhz to be synchronous with the cpu, but u wont take a performance hit? what if it runs at like 960 mhz? dont people do that?

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: crzyjackel69
well im getting corsair stuff really soon so cheapo ram isnt an issue. so what ur saying is that ddr2-800 ram can run at 219mhz to be synchronous with the cpu, but u wont take a performance hit? what if it runs at like 960 mhz? dont people do that?

performance hit? not sure. in general with 939 it was always tighter timings > high HTTs. Not sure how it with ddr2 and AM2.

run higher than stock? yes.

I'm ont too familiar with AM2 and what dividers are available...

but what people do is run dividers in order to get their memory to run at higher speeds than their actual HTT.

for example i have a chip that runs 10 x 266 at default and on the 1066 strap ( ignore the strap part as it applies to the C2D but added it in since the dividers will be different on the 800 or 1333 strap).

if i set my divider at 1:1 then my memory will run at 266 mhz (266:266).
if i set my divider to 4:5 then my memory will run at 333 mhz (266:333).
if i set my divider to 2:3 then my memory will run at 400 mhz (266:400).
all the while my FSB (or in X2/AM2 terms HTT) would still be at 266.

Dividers are called many different things depending on the bios. Someone more familiar with AM2 and that DfI board should be able to help you out.