Anybody pickup a PS3 today?

[shingletingle]

I decided to trade my 360 in for a slim PS3. I had three 360s get those red lights and got tired of MS always sending back another unit bound to die. The last one they sent me was a Zephyr unit just a couple weeks ago. For the most part, both systems have the same games anyway. And if they don't, chances are I can get 360 "exclusives" on the PC.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari

Ah, I see. You have nothing to backup your opinion but it is based on more reliable information than others? Got it. Tell me what part of your asshole you get your reliable information from and formulate your objectionable analysis?

I based it on facts.

- MS extended the warranty from 90 days to 3 years on the most common failure
- MS has admitted that their warranty repair costs are extremely high.
- The problem has been independently determined to be related to heat
- MS has reduced the power consumption and heat output of the system

Everything in my previous post is based on those facts.

But you don't have any statistics of your own to dispute the 54%? If you can show me, with your "reliable information", where it is lower, I'm willing to listen.

I didn't say I think it's lower than 54%. I don't know what the failure rate is or what it has been in the past. It could be 54%. It could be lower than 54%. It could be higher than 54%. All I know is that it's well above industry norms. The lack of reliable information is not going to make me believe unreliable statistics. I can't think of any better way to explain this to make you understand. 54% (or was it 50.4%?) is a meaningless number, because it's based on faulty collection methods.

The thing you don't seem to understand is that it's possible to believe that the statistic you're quoting is flawed and worthless without knowing what the proper statistic is. It has been explained enough times that if you don't yet understand it, you're going to need to educate yourself about statistics.

IMHO, you seem to have an ambivalent stand now when before, as you yourself admitted, you had a strong opinion. When you doubted the 54% earlier, you implied that it was lower. Now you say you don't know. I won't delve into this further with you considering your opinion is made of jello and can easily change. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[BenSkywalker]

When you doubted the 54% earlier, you implied that it was lower.

I think most reasonable people would assume it is lower. As far as their being serious issues with trusting the GI poll, there is absolutely nothing to indicate the poll is accurate in any way whatsoever. They failed to use random sampling, the poll was voluntary and focused on the negative. The odds of getting someone that had a 360 die to fill out a poll about reliability is much higher then not. This is standard knowledge when trying to gauge these things.

Is it possible that the GI poll ended up with accurate numbers? Yes, just as you can randomly pull a Presedential approval rating out of your rectum every day when you get up and you are bound to be right at some point. Is it likely? I don't think so, but I don't have anyting to back that up outside of anecdotal evidence.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I'll just say this much. I'm a business/marketing analyst and we sometimes conduct and also contract out polls, and the way they did this is laughable. It is in no way accurate just based off the way they did it....well they could have gotten lucky, but to quote this poll as somehow meaningful or scientific in any way is to show how ignorant you are about these things.

That said, everyone knows early 360s were trash and that the newer ones are fine so why does the exact percentage matter? I know why our board fanboy troll cares but why does everyone else?

 

[Fingolfin269]

You know what's hilarious about all of this? I have a launch 360 and have already had more problems with the PS3 Slim than I've ever had with the 360. Stupid Firmware update causing my Uncharted game to freeze! ARGH! 😉

 

[coloumb]

Back to on-topic. 😉 Yes - we know both consoles have failure rates..blah blah blah.

Since the $100 price drop - I'm split between getting a ps3 slim or an xbox360 [arcade version unless I can find an xbox with the latest rev]. The last modern console I owned [and sold to a friend] was the xbox [which I bought mainly to play HALO] - I've still got my Dreamcast which still does quite well as a console game machine.

I've got $125.00 of the sony bucks which I can use to buy gift cards which will allow me to use them to get a nice discount on either console. Blu-ray is pretty damn cool..but I haven't upgraded to an HDTV yet [a little cost prohibitive at the moment]. And unless I'm missing something - xbox live seems to be better than playstations network. However I do like the quality of the recently releases on ps3 - much better looking than the xbox360.

 

[DaveSimmons]

For just games you should probably get a 360 despite paying $40/year for Live and $50-100 extra for wifi. Your friends probably have 360s (2:1 odds) so if you want to game online with them it's what you need. No blu-ray but if you have Netflix, being able to stream without paying for PlayOn is nice.

360 Arcade is going to be really loud since you can't install to the hard drive. Plus you'll run out of space and need to buy a hard drive anyway.

So far all the buyer reports I've seen on the new $299 white-box Elites have said they were Jasper models, and so was mine. The $249 closeout Pro will be a mix of Jasper and some Falcons.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

When you doubted the 54% earlier, you implied that it was lower.

I think most reasonable people would assume it is lower. As far as their being serious issues with trusting the GI poll, there is absolutely nothing to indicate the poll is accurate in any way whatsoever. They failed to use random sampling, the poll was voluntary and focused on the negative. The odds of getting someone that had a 360 die to fill out a poll about reliability is much higher then not. This is standard knowledge when trying to gauge these things.

Is it possible that the GI poll ended up with accurate numbers? Yes, just as you can randomly pull a Presedential approval rating out of your rectum every day when you get up and you are bound to be right at some point. Is it likely? I don't think so, but I don't have anyting to back that up outside of anecdotal evidence.

Believe what you want. But with people reporting exchanging their XBOX 360 3-9 times, it certainly doesn't help your argument. Maybe they're lying?

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
For just games you should probably get a 360 despite paying $40/year for Live and $50-100 extra for wifi. Your friends probably have 360s (2:1 odds) so if you want to game online with them it's what you need. No blu-ray but if you have Netflix, being able to stream without paying for PlayOn is nice.

360 Arcade is going to be really loud since you can't install to the hard drive. Plus you'll run out of space and need to buy a hard drive anyway.

So far all the buyer reports I've seen on the new $299 white-box Elites have said they were Jasper models, and so was mine. The $249 closeout Pro will be a mix of Jasper and some Falcons.

PlayOn is cheap.....you can get it for $29. I have both a PS3 and 360 and I stream Netflix and Hulu on both via PlayOn. I have one of the original 360s which has been rock solid but it is louder than h*ll. I wish it would just die finally.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

When you doubted the 54% earlier, you implied that it was lower.

I think most reasonable people would assume it is lower. As far as their being serious issues with trusting the GI poll, there is absolutely nothing to indicate the poll is accurate in any way whatsoever. They failed to use random sampling, the poll was voluntary and focused on the negative. The odds of getting someone that had a 360 die to fill out a poll about reliability is much higher then not. This is standard knowledge when trying to gauge these things.

Is it possible that the GI poll ended up with accurate numbers? Yes, just as you can randomly pull a Presedential approval rating out of your rectum every day when you get up and you are bound to be right at some point. Is it likely? I don't think so, but I don't have anyting to back that up outside of anecdotal evidence.

Believe what you want. But with people reporting exchanging their XBOX 360 3-9 times, it certainly doesn't help your argument. Maybe they're lying?

No, it makes sense. Unless you're a "fanboy or uneducated", as some trolling poster tries to claim. But I guess if I was a fanboy, and my console got a bad rep, Id be upset too.

/done

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

When you doubted the 54% earlier, you implied that it was lower.

I think most reasonable people would assume it is lower. As far as their being serious issues with trusting the GI poll, there is absolutely nothing to indicate the poll is accurate in any way whatsoever. They failed to use random sampling, the poll was voluntary and focused on the negative. The odds of getting someone that had a 360 die to fill out a poll about reliability is much higher then not. This is standard knowledge when trying to gauge these things.

Is it possible that the GI poll ended up with accurate numbers? Yes, just as you can randomly pull a Presedential approval rating out of your rectum every day when you get up and you are bound to be right at some point. Is it likely? I don't think so, but I don't have anyting to back that up outside of anecdotal evidence.

Believe what you want. But with people reporting exchanging their XBOX 360 3-9 times, it certainly doesn't help your argument. Maybe they're lying?

No, it makes sense. Unless you're a "fanboy or uneducated", as some trolling poster tries to claim. But I guess if I was a fanboy, and my console got a bad rep, Id be upset too.

/done

Yeah. I don't understand all the defense of the XBOX 360 failure rate. It's a crappy hardware but good gaming system (something I never denied). That was telling when some people started what ended up being a massive "Jasper" thread here last year. They were so desperate to avoid (yet another) RROD that the thread became an instant hit and had an almost religious following. I monitored that thread with wry amusement.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ackmed

No, it makes sense. Unless you're a "fanboy or uneducated", as some trolling poster tries to claim. But I guess if I was a fanboy, and my console got a bad rep, Id be upset too.

/done

Yeah. I don't understand all the defense of the XBOX 360 failure rate. It's a crappy hardware but good gaming system (something I never denied). That was telling when some people started what ended up being a massive "Jasper" thread here last year. They were so desperate to avoid (yet another) RROD that the thread became an instant hit and had an almost religious following. I monitored that thread with wry amusement.

You should both take a few minutes and educate yourselves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample

Knowledge is power.

(Prediction: neither will make it past the word "Biased" in the title of the article, and I will have to explain that I am not accusing Game Informer of being biased)

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ackmed

No, it makes sense. Unless you're a "fanboy or uneducated", as some trolling poster tries to claim. But I guess if I was a fanboy, and my console got a bad rep, Id be upset too.

/done

Yeah. I don't understand all the defense of the XBOX 360 failure rate. It's a crappy hardware but good gaming system (something I never denied). That was telling when some people started what ended up being a massive "Jasper" thread here last year. They were so desperate to avoid (yet another) RROD that the thread became an instant hit and had an almost religious following. I monitored that thread with wry amusement.

You should both take a few minutes and educate yourselves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample

Knowledge is power.

(Prediction: neither will make it past the word "Biased" in the title of the article, and I will have to explain that I am not accusing Game Informer of being biased)

I think your bias sample can be easily countered by the fact that they only asked people if they had failure(s) with their XBOX 360. If they had asked individuals how many failures they had, that percentage would/should be much higher. I think this may be why Microsoft never disputed the numbers. Unsurprisingly (As Ackmed mentions), it is the fanboys that are disputing the numbers.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I'm not disputing super high pre falcon rrod rates....... I'm disputing the touting of an amateurish magazine poll as somehow scientific and being at all meaningful or representative.

That is a pretty easy distinction to understand for those of us with brains.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I'm not disputing super high pre falcon rrod rates....... I'm disputing the touting of an amateurish magazine poll as somehow scientific and being at all meaningful or representative.

That is a pretty easy distinction to understand for those of us with brains.

Oooh, a snob.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Oooh, a snob.

It is in no way snobbish to point out profoundly flawed methodology. GI doesn't even tout that it is an accurate poll, it is simply reflective of how their survey turned out.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Oooh, a snob.

It is in no way snobbish to point out profoundly flawed methodology. GI doesn't even tout that it is an accurate poll, it is simply reflective of how their survey turned out.

That's obviously not what I meant. But, man, this poll must've struck a nerve because I've never seen detractors get so emotional over something so useless.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

You are the one that hung up on the poll. All Ive said is I think early 360s have a higher fail rate than 53% and that the poll is very flawed. So WTF am I detracting from? Use your brain.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
You are the one that hung up on the poll. All Ive said is I think early 360s have a higher fail rate than 53% and that the poll is very flawed. So WTF am I detracting from? Use your brain.

Where did you use the 53% number before? And the only thing that's flawed is the XBOX 360. F

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Next month Game Informer should run a poll on which is better, Call of Duty or Halo. They've obviously hit paydirt with this, when's the last time anyone's given a shit about anything in GI? 😀

 

[mode101wpb]

Originally posted by: coloumb
Back to on-topic. 😉 Yes - we know both consoles have failure rates..blah blah blah.

Since the $100 price drop - I'm split between getting a ps3 slim or an xbox360 [arcade version unless I can find an xbox with the latest rev]. The last modern console I owned [and sold to a friend] was the xbox [which I bought mainly to play HALO] - I've still got my Dreamcast which still does quite well as a console game machine.

I've got $125.00 of the sony bucks which I can use to buy gift cards which will allow me to use them to get a nice discount on either console. Blu-ray is pretty damn cool..but I haven't upgraded to an HDTV yet [a little cost prohibitive at the moment]. And unless I'm missing something - xbox live seems to be better than playstations network. However I do like the quality of the recently releases on ps3 - much better looking than the xbox360.

I owned a PS3 shortly, sold it after 6 months. I miss the WiFi and a host of other stuff that the PS3 has built in. I sold it due to the lack of games coming out, maybe a little premature but I can always buy another one if I'm that hard up to play PS3 exclusives.

I recently bought my first 360, I got the Elite was going to get the arcade but for $100 the HD is worth it + the resale is better if I lose interest. It's the Jasper, so yes they are easy to find if you look.

If you like the Halo series and want to try 3 and ODST then your stuck with the 360.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
I got my PS3 40 Gig like 21 months ago for 320 bucks (signed up for sony cc) with a second controller. So meh.

fixed for me