Anybody have experience with pre-forclosure property purchasing?

NL5

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OK, I went to look at a property yesterday, and saw the house next door looked abandoned. Loved the abandoned house, and want to see if I can make an offer directly to the bank. I checked the GIS, and it looks like everything is current (taxes, deed, etc), so it appears to not have been legally foreclosed on yet. Going to call GIS tomorrow to try and get the bank info.

Anybody have any experience in this area? Any tips?

Thanks in advance.
 

thepd7

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So you have absolutely no indication that it will be foreclosed on, you're just assuming?

I don't know very much, but generally short sales are people trying to sell the house before the bank takes it, I don't know if there is any way to find listings on houses that might get taken.
 

NL5

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So you have absolutely no indication that it will be foreclosed on, you're just assuming?

Yes. I am looking for suggestions on how to find out more info from people who have done this. The property appears abandoned, and is a somewhat higher end home. It's completely empty as well. I suppose the owners could be coming back, but the odds are next to zero.
 

Jumpem

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Yes. I am looking for suggestions on how to find out more info from people who have done this. The property appears abandoned, and is a somewhat higher end home. It's completely empty as well. I suppose the owners could be coming back, but the odds are next to zero.

Find out who owns it and contact them?
 

NL5

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Find out who owns it and contact them?

I know the owners name, but the only contact info I can find is the street address of the abandoned house. I believe GIS will give the bank info since they are the "legal" owner, but I'm not sure.
 

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1. You have no idea if it is foreclosed or not? Just because it is empty, doesn't mean anything..

2. Unless it some smalltime bank, even then, they probably are not going to deal with you. They have real estate agents that list the properties for them and you have to go through them.
 

NL5

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1. You have no idea if it is foreclosed or not? Just because it is empty, doesn't mean anything..

2. Unless it some smalltime bank, even then, they probably are not going to deal with you. They have real estate agents that list the properties for them and you have to go through them.



1. I have a pretty good idea. It don't take a rocket scientist to tell that they are NOT coming back. It's been abandoned for at least 6 months, probably longer. It's in disrepair, and is slowly falling apart at this time. This, along with about 100 other things I saw at the property give me about a 99.9% belief that it has been abandoned and will be foreclosed.

2. This is the kind of info I need. I assume you have tried this route before. Can you give any more info on your attempts to deal with the bank directly? Even failed attempts can help me.

Thanks.
 

RKS

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The county auditor website should have the owner/bank info on it.
 

wiredspider

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1. I have a pretty good idea. It don't take a rocket scientist to tell that they are NOT coming back. It's been abandoned for at least 6 months, probably longer. It's in disrepair, and is slowly falling apart at this time. This, along with about 100 other things I saw at the property give me about a 99.9% belief that it has been abandoned and will be foreclosed.

2. This is the kind of info I need. I assume you have tried this route before. Can you give any more info on your attempts to deal with the bank directly? Even failed attempts can help me.

Thanks.

Just sounds funny that you fell in love with a house that is in disrepair.. If they abandoned the place, would taxes and stuff really be current?

Anyway, recorder of deeds or a similar office in your county should have a copy of the lien aka the mortgage(s) on the property that would help identify which bank it is with. They MIGHT be able to tell you if foreclosure proceedings have started or not, I'm not entirely sure if that is public info or not. See if you get any foreclosure site hits when you google the address (or just the street address without the number).

Are you working with an agent or not? They would have access to the MLS which might have a previous listing for the home.

Generally there is some court house auction procedure (more a formality, but sometimes people do bid on homes there) where you might be able to make an offer. Though the bank will probably have their own rep/lawyer to ensure it goes fair amount (so they can bid up against you).

Anyways, I would say keep looking. In all likelihood you are not going to be able to individually submit an offer to the bank (they probably got procedures stating that homes must be listed for XX days to public to ensure there are not any shady sweetheart type deals going on).
 

JEDIYoda

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1. You have no idea if it is foreclosed or not? Just because it is empty, doesn't mean anything..

2. Unless it some smalltime bank, even then, they probably are not going to deal with you. They have real estate agents that list the properties for them and you have to go through them.

That is not always true....
I know from experience.
I flipped a house like the OP is talking about.
The reason the bank dealt with me is I had cash!!!!
for some reason cash talks!!
 

NL5

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Just sounds funny that you fell in love with a house that is in disrepair.

It's the property that I like. A lot. The house is OK, and needs to be remodeled, but that's what I do.

That is not always true....
I know from experience.
I flipped a house like the OP is talking about.
The reason the bank dealt with me is I had cash!!!!
for some reason cash talks!!

So, did you find the property before it was listed with an agent?
 

a123456

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It completely varies by who owns it and who the lender is.

First step is probably go down to the county courthouse and figure out who owns it now and/or who will own it soon if there's a NOD or NOS on the place. If there's already an NOS and the owner doesn't look like it's going to disagree, it'll just go for sale (depending on the state) at the normal foreclosure auction. That's probably the easiest way to buy it but the price might or might not be what you're looking for.

If there's no NOD/NOS on it (or even if there is), you could try to work out a short sale between you, the owner, and the lender, but these things take forever to finish. And they almost never work out if there are multiple outstanding loans on the property.

An agent isn't really going to be able to tell you much except for past listings and the regular public information. Note that this may not be the owner's only property so at the courthouse, at least do a quick search to see if you can find another address for the owner just in case. The owner is not obligated to talk to you, either way.

If you're looking to buy the note from the bank, good luck. If it's a big bank, it'll be some low level employee answering the phone who doesn't have the authority to do anything with the property and then you'll get the run around forever since the different departments don't talk to each other. Also, the employee has zero upside in trying to sell you the note since they get 0 dollars for doing that extra work. I assume this is regular single family house or similar. Big banks will talk with you but not for the small peanuts. They're more interested in offloading their bigger delinquent loans, such as for apartment buildings, commercial, etc. These days, depending on the bank, you might not get much of a discount if the loss isn't back stopped by the FDIC.

If it's a smaller bank, you might have slightly better luck, but most of them have been gobbled up by the FDIC already. Also, if it's a loan service company that has the note, which has been broken up into 1000 shares in those old MBS days, then you're out of luck since the loan service company has no authority to act on all 1000 "shareholders" of the note.

The best possible case is if the lender is an investment group or person who has the authority to deal with the note but I would say that this is the case <5&#37; of the time. Then, you can talk to them to buy the note for whatever price. Once you have the note, you foreclose on it yourself through the courts and own it afterward. Usual tricks apply here.
 
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NL5

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It completely varies by who owns it and who the lender is.

First step is probably go down to the county courthouse and figure out who owns it now and/or who will own it soon if there's a NOD or NOS on the place. If there's already an NOS and the owner doesn't look like it's going to disagree, it'll just go for sale (depending on the state) at the normal foreclosure auction. That's probably the easiest way to buy it but the price might or might not be what you're looking for.

If there's no NOD/NOS on it (or even if there is), you could try to work out a short sale between you, the owner, and the lender, but these things take forever to finish. And they almost never work out if there are multiple outstanding loans on the property.

An agent isn't really going to be able to tell you much except for past listings and the regular public information. Note that this may not be the owner's only property so at the courthouse, at least do a quick search to see if you can find another address for the owner just in case. The owner is not obligated to talk to you, either way.

If you're looking to buy the note from the bank, good luck. If it's a big bank, it'll be some low level employee answering the phone who doesn't have the authority to do anything with the property and then you'll get the run around forever since the different departments don't talk to each other. Also, the employee has zero upside in trying to sell you the note since they get 0 dollars for doing that extra work. I assume this is regular single family house or similar. Big banks will talk with you but not for the small peanuts. They're more interested in offloading their bigger delinquent loans, such as for apartment buildings, commercial, etc. These days, depending on the bank, you might not get much of a discount if the loss isn't back stopped by the FDIC.

If it's a smaller bank, you might have slightly better luck, but most of them have been gobbled up by the FDIC already. Also, if it's a loan service company that has the note, which has been broken up into 1000 shares in those old MBS days, then you're out of luck since the loan service company has no authority to act on all 1000 "shareholders" of the note.

The best possible case is if the lender is an investment group or person who has the authority to deal with the note but I would say that this is the case <5&#37; of the time. Then, you can talk to them to buy the note for whatever price. Once you have the note, you foreclose on it yourself through the courts and own it afterward. Usual tricks apply here.

Thanks for the reply.

Found out today that it's Countrywide now B of A. Pretty much got the run around, but did find out it's not foreclosed "yet", so I am going to try and get some contact info on the owner.