Anybody else think "Irreconcilable differences" should not be an option when filing for divorce?

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Vic
Your belief in your "right" :roll: to break a public oath with the person you once claimed to love and would be with and care for for the rest of your life is what appalls and astonishes me. In my book, that makes you a Grade "A" piece of lying dog sh!t. Enjoy.

It appalls you that people change? I hope you never get married... you'll be in for a surprise.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm confused by your insistence that divorce is mostly (or always) mutual. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is all too frequently not mutual. In my parent's divorce, for example, it was FAR from mutual.

This is a dumb arguement. I've known cases where women were abused and wanted out, and their husbands didn't. So are you saying because it's not mutual that they should stay together?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm confused by your insistence that divorce is mostly (or always) mutual. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is all too frequently not mutual. In my parent's divorce, for example, it was FAR from mutual.

This is a dumb arguement. I've known cases where women were abused and wanted out, and their husbands didn't. So are you saying because it's not mutual that they should stay together?

Yes damnit!

they entered into a contract! they are bound by law to fallow it no matter what! abuse? the only real abuse is abuse to the legal system for having such easy way's out of it!

 

[SoylentGreen]

It's none of your business why people want to be divorced.

It's none of your business why people want to be married.

Any reason is good enough.

You don't want to be with someone you just don't.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm confused by your insistence that divorce is mostly (or always) mutual. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is all too frequently not mutual. In my parent's divorce, for example, it was FAR from mutual.

This is a dumb arguement. I've known cases where women were abused and wanted out, and their husbands didn't. So are you saying because it's not mutual that they should stay together?

Look, asshole, if you're gonna pretend to slam me, you can at least read my complete posts instead of taking out little snippets. I already said that divorce is fully justified in cases of abuse, infidelity, or other similar vow breakage. In such a case as you describe, I believe that divorce would be fully justified. This thread topic is not about such cases.

You talk about people changing and all that, and I'm sure all that sounds nice when you try to justify it to yourself, but the reality is that you took an oath and vows before God, government, community, and family to be with, faithful to, and to care for a particular person for the rest of your goddamned fscking life. Pardon the fsck out of me if I think you should prove to be an honest person and keep your word.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
they shouldnt even need to give a reason. if they both want it, who cares.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm confused by your insistence that divorce is mostly (or always) mutual. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is all too frequently not mutual. In my parent's divorce, for example, it was FAR from mutual.

This is a dumb arguement. I've known cases where women were abused and wanted out, and their husbands didn't. So are you saying because it's not mutual that they should stay together?

Look, asshole, if you're gonna pretend to slam me, you can at least read my complete posts instead of taking out little snippets. I already said that divorce is fully justified in cases of abuse, infidelity, or other similar vow breakage. In such a case as you describe, I believe that divorce would be fully justified. This thread topic is not about such cases.

You talk about people changing and all that, and I'm sure all that sounds nice when you try to justify it to yourself, but the reality is that you took an oath and vows before God, government, community, and family to be with, faithful to, and to care for a particular person for the rest of your goddamned fscking life. Pardon the fsck out of me if I think you should prove to be an honest person and keep your word.

So because you took an oath you should remain miserable to your dying day thus making those around you miserable? Fsck that. I also take exception to you calling us who are divorced based on irreconcilable diiferences "Pieces of Sh!t". Of course I fully understand that the anonymity of the Internet emoldens you to say such a thing.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Vic
Look, asshole, if you're gonna pretend to slam me, you can at least read my complete posts instead of taking out little snippets. I already said that divorce is fully justified in cases of abuse, infidelity, or other similar vow breakage. In such a case as you describe, I believe that divorce would be fully justified. This thread topic is not about such cases.

You wonder why people get divorced, yet idiots like yourself can't control your temper and fly off the handle. What do you know. So I missed one of your points and you call me names.

You talk about people changing and all that, and I'm sure all that sounds nice when you try to justify it to yourself, but the reality is that you took an oath and vows before God, government, community, and family to be with, faithful to, and to care for a particular person for the rest of your goddamned fscking life. Pardon the fsck out of me if I think you should prove to be an honest person and keep your word.

Like I've said before and I'll say again, you've never been in that situation so you aren't able to comprehend. You're just a dumb little kid who has this idealistic view of the world and has to resort to derogatives because he's too immature.

Until you open your mind and accept that people put up fronts in attempt to get what they want and they change into undesireable people, doesn't mean you have to stay with them. Have you ever even been in a relationship? If you have, do you remember the first couple months that were perfect in every way, but maybe six months later things weren't quite that great. Marriage is often the same way, except in terms of years.

What you're saying is that if someone's spouse ignores them, doesn't want to be around them, hates them, doesn't want to be intimate with them and has changed who they are, changed what they want out of like, changed what they desire in a mate, that you must stay with them because of a vow. A vow is nothing more than a promise; a pledge. It means that you will try your best to fulfill your obligation. The fact is that life and circumstances change the situation and when that happens, the original promise also changes.

 

[Vic]

Don't get married then. I'm 32, been living with my SO for more than 6 years, and still not married. Why should I? Not only does marriage not mean anything nowadays due to no-fault divorces, but no-fault divorces themselves are just another way for people to avoid any personal responsibility in life. Or maybe you should have thought it through a little more before marrying someone who was going to make your miserable. Or maybe... just maybe... the two of you should have tried to communicate to each other a higher level?
I have a question. When the preacher said, "Til death you do part", did you not answer back with "I do"? Now DID you? Think about that, eh?

And you are certainly one to talk about the anonymity of the Internet emoldening anyone, Red. :roll:

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Vic
Don't get married then. I'm 32, been living with my SO for more than 6 years, and still not married. Why should I? Not only does marriage not mean anything nowadays due to no-fault divorces, but no-fault divorces themselves are just another way for people to avoid any personal responsibility in life.

So you're afraid to make a commitment. hahahahahahaha

Or maybe you should have thought it through a little more before marrying someone who was going to make your miserable. Or maybe... just maybe... the two of you should have tried to communicate to each other a higher level?

Or maybe, or maybe, people change. What would you know, you can't even commit to your gf. Easy for you to talk about marriage when you have no experience with it.

I have a question. When the preacher said, "Til death you do part", did you not answer back with "I do"? Now DID you? Think about that, eh?

Think about what... you made a promise that you weren't able to keep. Not quite the end of the world. Atleast some people are willing to try and commit, unlike you. So you come here and insult other people for trying something you're too scared to do yourself.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Like I've said before and I'll say again, you've never been in that situation so you aren't able to comprehend. You're just a dumb little kid who has this idealistic view of the world and has to resort to derogatives because he's too immature.

Until you open your mind and accept that people put up fronts in attempt to get what they want and they change into undesireable people, doesn't mean you have to stay with them. Have you ever even been in a relationship? If you have, do you remember the first couple months that were perfect in every way, but maybe six months later things weren't quite that great. Marriage is often the same way, except in terms of years.

What you're saying is that if someone's spouse ignores them, doesn't want to be around them, hates them, doesn't want to be intimate with them and has changed who they are, changed what they want out of like, changed what they desire in a mate, that you must stay with them because of a vow. A vow is nothing more than a promise; a pledge. It means that you will try your best to fulfill your obligation. The fact is that life and circumstances change the situation and when that happens, the original promise also changes.

Actually, you started it with the insults. You're "dumb little kid" bullsh!t and all that. Anything but, ok?

Let's try this again, "To have and to hold, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, forsaking all others, as long as you both shall live, til death do you part.".

No one forced you to say "I do".

Did you get married in a church? If so, in Matthew 19:9, Jesus says, " And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. "

Oh well, this is pointless. My real question is why do you bother to get married if you just want to reserve the right to leave anytime you choose later? Seems pretty damn pointless to me. Why not change the vows to "as long as we both feel like it?" Would make a lot more sense.

And pardon me for trying to hold the world to a higher standard, or believing in morality. :roll:

 

[Vic]

No, no, Dirtyboy... you're not making a commitment either. That's why you want divorce to be so easy. I'm just being honest about it. And IMO, with people like you making divorce so easy, there is no point in getting married anymore.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Vic

And you are certainly one to talk about the anonymity of the Internet emoldening anyone, Red. :roll:

The difference is that unlike Alkemist, I'm really a bad motherfscker in real life, just yesterday I pushed an old lady in front of a bus because she gave me a dirty look. Too bad it wasn't moving!

BTW, I like the excuse you give for not making a commitment to your SO by blaming it on No Fault Divorces. Must be nice to have a GF stupid enough to buy that!

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, you started it with the insults. You're "dumb little kid" bullsh!t and all that. Anything but, ok?

Oh really. Do you remember saying this, "Look, asshole, if you're gonna pretend to slam me..."?

Let's try this again, "To have and to hold, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, forsaking all others, til death to you part, as long as you both shall live".

No one forced you to say "I do".

What's your point?

Did you get married in a church? If so, in Matthew 19:9, Jesus says, " And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. "

So you're here to chastize me, yet you're living in sin. Why don't you tell me what your god says about having premarital sex and living with a woman you're not married to.

Oh well, this is pointless. My real question is why do you bother to get married if you just want to reserve the right to leave anytime you choose later? Seems pretty damn pointless to me. Why not change the vows to "as long as we both feel like it?" Would make a lot more sense.

Only because you've missed the point. The point is, people don't plan on getting divorced when they get married. Haven't you realized that yet?? A vow is just a promise. People try to keep it, but it doesn't always work out that way. What would you know about promises? You avoid them because it's easier.

And pardon me for trying to hold the world to a higher standard, or believing in morality. :roll:

Hypocrits usually don't and you haven't held anything to a higher standard. You just go around telling other people what they should be doing, when you yourself won't even do the same thing. It's all so easy for you, because you can just walk away from your gf in a moments notice. You're afraid of commitment and you're a religious hypocrite.

 

[dirtboy]

That's not true. A commitment is nothing more than a promise.

Care to say how people like me have made divorce so easy? I certainly didn't write the law. The goverment recogizes marriage and they can recognize unmarriage. The government has no right to say who I should spend the rest of my life with or not.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The difference is that unlike Alkemist, I'm really a bad motherfscker in real life, just yesterday I pushed an old lady in front of a bus because she gave me a dirty look. Too bad it wasn't moving!

BTW, I like the excuse you give for not making a commitment to your SO by blaming it on No Fault Divorces. Must be nice to have a GF stupid enough to buy that!

Her idea, Red. I must be the stupid one then.

And you're confused, Red. I'm not telling anyone what to do. There is no such thing as "just a promise". My word is my bond. I guess it's different with you.

I'm done here.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The difference is that unlike Alkemist, I'm really a bad motherfscker in real life, just yesterday I pushed an old lady in front of a bus because she gave me a dirty look. Too bad it wasn't moving!

BTW, I like the excuse you give for not making a commitment to your SO by blaming it on No Fault Divorces. Must be nice to have a GF stupid enough to buy that!

Her idea, Red. I must be the stupid one then.

OK, I can buy that

And you're confused, Red. I'm not telling anyone what to do. There is no such thing as "just a promise". My word is my bond. I guess it's different with you.

Actually I tried to keep my promise as long as I could but we both decided after 4 tough years (out of 10) that we weren't compatable and that it would be best that we went our seperate ways. It was an amicable split.[/quote]

I'm done here.

I think you were done after your first post.

Anyway, be cool and no hard feelings, I just don't believe that you should be so judgemental about it.

 

[thomsbrain]

oh yes, YOU should be allowed to make MY moral decisions for me.

/sarcasm

 

[imported_surferdude]

well im just glad FL is a no fault state.

as for my 3 boys being mal adjusted?dont think so...

us leaving my ex was the best for all involved....

i dont want to be around bickering couples who stay together just for the kids,thats the biggest load of crap ever(the kids will be real messed up then)