Any Win2k Adv Server/Server Pros out there?

[AntMan]

Im still getting used to win2k adv server from nt4, and having some troubles setting up my network accordingly. If your a pro at this OS already and could lend me a hand please let me know,



email - jhurd@ausitn.rr.com
icq- 85910982



-AntMan

 

[err]

If you can post your problem here, someone might be able to help you.

eRr

 

[AntMan]

Sorry that was a bad idea to start with. I just didn't want to post the whole thing here, sorta long, but I'll give it a shot.

Setup:
1 Linksys Cable/DSL Router
1 5-Port Linksys Workgroup Hub
Plenty of Cat 5 Cable/
1 Cross-Over Cable
4 Computers(1-Win2k Adv Srv 3-Win98 SE)
RoadRuner Cable Service-1 Ip

What I'm trying to do:
Have Cable Connection go into the Linksys Router, 1 Connection come out of it, into the Main Server with Win2k Adv Server. Server has 2 nic's. One for cable connection from router to come in. ANd one for connection to the hub, for DHCP.

Why:
I would just use the linksys router , logicaly that would be the sound idea. But for practice reasons I really would like to get used to using Win2k Adv Server Services, especialy Active Directory and DHCP. So I wanted to leave the router in the equation to keep that solid security that a router supplies.

What I tried:
I setup the main sever nic1 with it's own static ip 192.168.1.2, and gave it a default gateway of 192.168.1.1(Being the ip of the Router). I then gave nic2 ont he main server a static ip of 192.168.1.3 and again the default gateway of 192.168.1.1(Ip of the Router). I ran regular cabeling from the second nic to port 1 of the hub, then had port 2,3, and 4 going to the other 3 computers. I set them all up accordingly , at least how I think they should be. But with no luck, they were getting no such connection from the main server. I did setup Active Directory Correct I believe. Named the Domain Local, Made a DHCP server on the main server, labeled as ip 192.168.1.3(second nic). and made a scope and everything from 192.168.1.4 to 192.168.1.10.

Not sure what else to do. I apologize for how dumb on this matter I am, and thank anyone in advance who lends a hand. Main Goal is to get every computer a internet connection with maximum security and using win2k services. If you have another method with my setup of doing this let me know.

Thanks Again
-Ant_Man

 

[Needles]

OK. Not to sure about this but I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong

The Ip address and default gateway on the side of the router going to the internet will be decided by your ISP. Assign the other side of the router an Ip address and a default gateway. This will go to the W2k box.

The Ip address/default gateway in W2k to connect to the internet should be assigned automatically (I think). It's either that or whatever the ISP side of the router is. The first Nic (connected to the router) will be assigned an Ip address and default gateway.

The 2nd Nic will be assigned an Ip address and default gateway. This address and gateway is what you assign all the computers to look for when they want to connect to the internet or your server.

When you set up the clients for DHCP make sure you tell them to look for the IP address and default gateway of the 2nd nic.

You should enable ICS on the server and on your clients. The default gateway you should use is 255.255.0.0 not 192.168.x.x .You aren't subnetting - keep it simple!

Hmmm....that should be it. See how that goes.

 

[Needles]

So did that work?

 

[AntMan]

Sorry for the slow reply, I tried setting adv server on another box, but no luck.

Anyways this is how it's setup now:
-Cable Connection comes in through the linksys cable/dsl router. (Cable Company Assigns Ip to the router)
-Regular Cat 5 Cable from Linksys Router to main server into NIC1.
-NIC1 TCP/IP Settings:

A) IP:192.168.1.2(Static Ip that I pulled out of my hat)
B) Subnet: 255.255.255.0
C) Def Gateway: 192.168.1.1 (Static Ip of the Linksys Router that I set)(Doing Obtain IP Addy Automaticaly will not work, tried it with a no go, this way does work and gives the server a internet connection.
D) DNS SERVER: 192.168.1.2(I had no clue what to put here, I have no clue about DNS, I guess I should of put the DNS Server Ip the same as the router to get the DNS server ip from the cable company. In that case it would be 192.168.1.1)?

-NIC2 runs a cross-over cat 5 cable to the 5-Port Hub into the uplink port on the hub
-NIC2 TCP/IP Settings:

A) IP:192.168.1.3(Static Ip that I pulled out of my hat)
B) Subnet:255.255.255.0
C) Def Gateway: 192.168.1.2( I wasn't sure what to put here, either the ip of the router(192.168.1.1) or the Ip of NIC1(192.168.1.2)
D) DNS SERVER: Once again wasnt sure what to put here, so I set the DNS server the same as NIC1(192.168.1.2) I guess I should set it once again to the router static ip (192.168.1.1)?

-Now the 5-Port hub has 3 regular cat 5 connections going to 3 different machines(WIN2k PRO, WIN98-SE, WIN98-SE)

Ok that's the whole deal on how it's setup, I just installed active directory, THe domain I set it up under is I think (jhurdserver.local) and the NETBIOS name is JHURDSERVER I believe. Not sure how to double check that.

I have no clue with Active Directory yet, but the goal is for the 3 connection on the hub to have to log into the Server Domain, As users witch I do know how to setup. Each connection getting part of the internet connection, so in turn they would need the def gateway of the router(192.168.1.1)

I know how to use the DHCP service and set scopes, im just not sure how to add the 3 computers to the server domain. Also not sure if above settings were correct?

One last thing, the internet connection drops non stop, and it's only when I have that second nic running, when I disable it, it never drops.

Sorry for how long this is, once again thank you Needles and anyone who else gives a crack at this.



Thanks Again
Ant_Man
jhurd@austin.rr.com
icq-85910982(always on)

 

[err]

Hi Antman,

I have the exact same setup as you do.

1 Win2K Adv server, 1 Win2K Pro wkstation, 1 Winme notebook, 1 Redhat box.

This is my network setup

Internet --> Cable Modem --> Router --> Switch --> Hub --> server and wkstations

I also use DHCP for auto IP assign & DNS & WINS service for name resolutions.

I also use Active directory, the cool little feature from Win2K servers. You would have to use win2k wkstation to take advantage of the active directory, otherwise you would need to install active directory client on your win98SE.

You can setup your DNS server using another IP addresses, just bind more IP addresses on your Win2K server. You can also use the IP address of your server.

You also need to create a computer object in your directory that would allow Win98SE client to log in into your active directory. You might need to modify your Active directory security policy to let your clients into your AD domain.

Have fun with Win2K ... I am still learning too .. It is way different than NT4 architecture.

eRr

 

[Needles]

Have you tried bypassing the router and connecting the 1st nic to the internet? Obviously you are going to have let the ISP decide your IP address for the NIC. Then enable the 2nd nic and see if it kills you. If it doesn't then I think the problem may be that you need to assign the 2nd nic an ip address on another subnet. Something like 192.168.2.1

Sorry don't have any kind of setup like yours just trying to think of things off the top of my head.

 

[holden j caufield]

to check the netbios name right click my computer and go to properties. you can then see the full qualified domain name of your computer and domain. The scope seems fine for the dhcp server but if you're using active directory I do believe the dhcp server needs to be authorized to work correctly. Under control panel->admin tools->active directory users and computer you can add computers and accounts. just right click the computers tree and add computer accounts, right click users and add accounts. WIN2k server was designed with internet services in mind so to use active directory your DNS server must be set up properly and DNS is used for authenticating users. Check on that in the event log. Since you're running non win2k pro computers you'll also need to add a WINS server for netbios to ip name resolution. no go to the workstations and server and go to the start menu-> and go to the command prompt. At that point type in "ipconfig /all" (no quotes) it should tell you all the ip, subnet, dhcp, wins, gateway info to help solve this problem. Can you ping the gateway, computers by IP or by netbios name? I know you want to use the router but to rule it out as the problem you might want to temporarily use win2k server as the router it self and use Network address translation to convert the public IP's to private and vice versa. Check you event viewer. Do you get the message that one service has failed at startup. I had problems before the DNS server was setup correctly. good luck.

 

[AntMan]

Hey Guys, Thanks so much for replying so fast.

Anyways:

Needless: I can't take out that router b/c I use it for security. Works rather well actually. So im gonna go ahead and leave that part in.

Err: You said you did the: Internet --> Cable Modem --> Router --> Switch --> Hub --> server and wkstations, I tried this setup the other day, with some small little problems, this way you only have to use one nic on the main server right? What's the purpose of the Switch, sorry for the dumb question.

Holden j caufield & Err: Ok when I setup active directory I set it up in mixed mode(win2k&pre-win2k). So DNS is the server that authenicates logons for win2k only machines? is that all? Or is it the alternative to WINS, witch designates NETBIOS names to clients. Is like it DNS-WIN2k ONLY WINS-pre 2k? Either way, what do I set my DNS and WINS serer ip's at, If im suposed to use the ip's the cable company gives me, I can get that info easily from the router, it gives the usual info ie:
DNS1
DNS2
Ip
Subnet
Def Gateway


If Err's way works without using that second NIC in the server, I rather do that, maybe I was just missing the switch part of the equation. If I do go and get a switch what is a good switch to get?


I've gotta take off to my classes, but ill be back early afternoon and setup DHCP, WINS, etc, and try to login with those secondary comps, might go grab a switch while im at it, and maybe another router, and toss the cable/dsl one.


Sorry for adding more questions each time, Thanks Again Guys for everything. Im catching on fast for win2kserver but still taking some time.


Ant_Man
jhurd@austin.rr.com

 

[stash]

Ummm maybe I'm missing something, but Adv server with AD is WAY overkill for that setup. If you insist on running one of the server OSs, you do not need to run dcpromo and install AD. With such a small network, peer to peer will be plenty. You do not need a directory to run dhcp and ics.

You could actually run the whole thing with win2k Pro, and it would run a hell of a lot faster. the server versions are gigantic resource hogs, since they run many other services in the background that you do not need.

 

[AntMan]

Ohh I understand that completly StaSh, but im a college student going for a MSI Degree field, and on the side im trying to fit study time in for MCSE 2K, so this is more practice than anything. If I actually wanted it to be simple, I would of used win98SE all around, and connected every box directly to the router. But I love working with server os's, I still dont know much about them, but im getting there fast. And this is great help for my studing.






Ant_Man

 

[AntMan]

Well I got it to work finnaly, Thank You to everyone that lended in a hand, I logged on my first win2k pro user to the win2k server domain. Only problem I have is logging on win98 SE machines, I have mixed mode on, just not sure how to do it. I'll find out sooner or later, but just wanted to thank the people who helped out answering my qestions.




Ant_Man
jhurd@austin.rr.com

 

[Needles]

Well......what the hell was wrong with it? You can't post your problem and not say how you fixed it!

 

[AntMan]

Well, I know run the setup where its router to main comp, and router to hub. I took the NIC2 out of the equation. Nothing wrong with using 2 nics, but you have to fool around with Network load balancing witch I had no clue how to work with those settings. Once I learn how to use two nics and have a better understanding of DNS servers, I can prob use the second NIC straight to the hub.

Anyways here is how it is setup now
Router(static ip of 192.168.1.1)
-has a cat 5 patch cable to the main server NIC 1(IP-192.168.1.2)(DNS 192.168.1.2)(Def Gateway 192.168.1.1)
-has a cat 5 cross overcable to the hub uplink

Hub has connection going to the 3 client boxes, only one that works, and that's the win2k pro machine, I know you can use win98 machines, but you have to add extra functions, witch im unsure what they are at the momment.

I installed active directory for a second time, domain is jhurdserver.local, all I had to do is go into win2k pro and take out workgroup mode and attempt to join the main server domain. Witch isnt hard at all. With the second NIC it was messing up the DHCP commands, witch in turn wasnt spreading any internet connection across the network. Once again the Network load balanancing was screwing things up somehow.

I wish I could explain it better, but once again thank you all for the help.


Ant_Man