any website designers/UX people here looking for some side gigs?

[purbeast0]

As a user, I completely, totally, and honestly absolutely detest that style of website.

It's useless for actually getting the information you want. Which, as a user, is what I want.

how about this site, using the same style.

http://www.hellolumio.com/

it's not hard at all to find the information on that site. curious what you think of that one.

(saw them on shark tank which is how i found that site, and noticed it used the same parallax effect)

 

[drebo]

how about this site, using the same style.

http://www.hellolumio.com/

it's not hard at all to find the information on that site. curious what you think of that one.

(saw them on shark tank which is how i found that site, and noticed it used the same parallax effect)

Seriously?

First off, when you initially enter the site, there is absolutely no information. Then you're shown a modal window with an X that's almost impossible to click on. Then, once you finally manage to click on the X, you're back to the page with no information or even inkling on what the site's about.

Then you start to scoll...and you realize that the color pallate is such that the menu is only actually visible on about half the sections of the page. Which means you're mostly blind from a navigation standpoint.

As far as being explicit and simple goes, it took me until halfway down the page to finally realize it was a light they are trying to sell me.

This design methodology needs to die. Every site built with it is godaweful and 9 times out of 10, when I browse to a site that's like that, I simply close the browser tab and go somewhere else.

 

[Carson Dyle]

why is it terrible? i'm curious to hear why people think it's so bad. only other person's reason was because "its designed to scroll".

I think the challenge you're going to find with this group of users is that they're dyed-in-the-wool desktop users and any site built to accommodate touchscreens, tablets or smartphones is going to annoy them. Find one of the many threads discussing the steep downturn in the use of desktop computers and you'll find the same sentiments echoed.

 

[drebo]

I think the challenge you're going to find with this group of users is that they're dyed-in-the-wool desktop users and any site built to accommodate touchscreens, tablets or smartphones is going to annoy them. Find one of the many threads discussing the steep downturn in the use of desktop computers and you'll find the same sentiments echoed.

I have no problem with single-page websites.

The problem I have is that the designers of said websites typically have a problem of "form over function." Like the page that was liked two posts above.

Sure, the pictures are pretty and it'll work great on a touchscreen...but the little things which actually make a website useful (you know, a menu you can actually use, textual information, color scheme that doesn't drown out important aspects of the page, etc) are typically glossed over as unimportant.

Hell, my own company's website is like that now. Our "submit a ticket" form is now a modal window that's too big for the screen unless you're running at least 1024 vertical pixels...which the laptops the company buys for us don't have. I brought it up and was told not to because it was aesthetically perfect.

 

[purbeast0]

Seriously?

First off, when you initially enter the site, there is absolutely no information. Then you're shown a modal window with an X that's almost impossible to click on. Then, once you finally manage to click on the X, you're back to the page with no information or even inkling on what the site's about.

Then you start to scoll...and you realize that the color pallate is such that the menu is only actually visible on about half the sections of the page. Which means you're mostly blind from a navigation standpoint.

As far as being explicit and simple goes, it took me until halfway down the page to finally realize it was a light they are trying to sell me.

This design methodology needs to die. Every site built with it is godaweful and 9 times out of 10, when I browse to a site that's like that, I simply close the browser tab and go somewhere else.

i am experiencing none of the stuff bolded.

i see no modal at all, and when i go to the page i see a carousel of 3 things that scrolls by, with a toolbar at the top with links to 7 different pages, and an arrow pointing down.

when i scroll, i also have no problems with the toolbar sticking to the top of the page. it turns to a header that has black text on a white background and stays like that when you scroll.

what browser are you using? i'm on chrome.

also, if you are at that companies website, you already know what you are looking for.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'd be happy to bid on any hosting jobs you have

 

[purbeast0]

I think the challenge you're going to find with this group of users is that they're dyed-in-the-wool desktop users and any site built to accommodate touchscreens, tablets or smartphones is going to annoy them. Find one of the many threads discussing the steep downturn in the use of desktop computers and you'll find the same sentiments echoed.

yeah trust me, i'm far aware of the "its popular so i must hate it" mentality that the majority of this forum has about everything. i'm just genuinely curious as to why people have such problems with websites like that. and so far, no one has mentioned an actual functional reason other than "its designed to scroll" which makes no sense to me since there are toolbars stuck to the top of the screen where you can click to navigate if you so choose.

 

[Carson Dyle]

I'm looking at http://www.gamesparks.com right now and I see a perfectly usable menu across the top. One of my own peeves with sites is that if you make or sell products then by God, you better have an easily found link that says "Products". And they have one.

I do hate web pages designed to be used only in windows that are at least 1024 pixels wide, but that one flexes well and is usable down to about 800 pixels.

 

[Carson Dyle]

And I will admit, once you get into that site, the size of everything is about 5X as large as it needs to be on a real computer. On a computer it feels like it's built for preschoolers still perfecting their motor skills.

 

[drebo]

i am experiencing none of the stuff bolded.

i see no modal at all, and when i go to the page i see a carousel of 3 things that scrolls by, with a toolbar at the top with links to 7 different pages, and an arrow pointing down.

when i scroll, i also have no problems with the toolbar sticking to the top of the page. it turns to a header that has black text on a white background and stays like that when you scroll.

what browser are you using? i'm on chrome.

also, if you are at that companies website, you already know what you are looking for.

Seriously?

You're delusional, blind, or willfully ignorant.

And if it looks different in a different browser, well that's an even worse transgression than anything I've listed above.

Modal window, no information about what the site's about:

Hey, finally a little information...but no menu:

It's a pretty picture, but I still can't see the menu, and I'm still only about 80% sure what the product actually is:

That damn menu disappeared again...but at least I'm reasonably sure they're talking about a vibrator now:

Seriously, dude, if this is the future of the Internet, then we'll be worse off than we were in the 90s. Pages were equally useless to navigate and view, but at least they had text content.

 

[Aharami]

not even close.

bootstrap is just a framework to make a lot of shit easier with a lot of nice looking common components that are easy to use.

has absolutely nothing to do with actual design and ux.

bootstrap won't help you design shit like this:

http://www.ok-studios.de/home/

(and that's not my site or anything, i just think it is very slick and nice looking)

hmm looks like a wordpress parallax theme. But what do I know

 

[purbeast0]

I'm looking at http://www.gamesparks.com right now and I see a perfectly usable menu across the top. One of my own peeves with sites is that if you make or sell products then by God, you better have an easily found link that says "Products". And they have one.

I do hate web pages designed to be used only in windows that are at least 1024 pixels wide, but that one flexes well and is usable down to about 800 pixels.

yeah, when i am developing i will hookup my 23" monitor to my laptop to get more real estate and that homepage looks great on both my small laptop monitor and the huge monitor. here's a comparison.


23" monitor - http://i.imgur.com/3qkUP5P.jpg
15" laptop - http://i.imgur.com/sksa1OZ.jpg

 

[purbeast0]

Seriously?

You're delusional, blind, or willfully ignorant.

And if it looks different in a different browser, well that's an even worse transgression than anything I've listed above.

Modal window, no information about what the site's about:

Hey, finally a little information...but no menu:

It's a pretty picture, but I still can't see the menu, and I'm still only about 80% sure what the product actually is:

That damn menu disappeared again...but at least I'm reasonably sure they're talking about a vibrator now:

Seriously, dude, if this is the future of the Internet, then we'll be worse off than we were in the 90s. Pages were equally useless to navigate and view, but at least they had text content.

yep, it looks nothing like that on chrome. ok well it looks like that but has actual toolbars at the top the whole time and i'm not seeing a modal at all when i go to the homepage, maybe it's because i have adblock on but i don't know.

so yeah if you are using IE, i guess that site isn't designed for IE.

 

[drebo]

yep, it looks nothing like that on chrome with adblock. so yeah if you are using IE, i guess that site isn't designed for IE.

Great, so you admit the UX person responsible for that site doesn't know what they're doing.

Glad we're in aggreement.

 

[purbeast0]

Great, so you admit the UX person responsible for that site doesn't know what they're doing.

Glad we're in aggreement.

i'd put that more on the developer because it's not working in IE. has nothign to do with the design.

 

[purbeast0]

Seriously?

You're delusional, blind, or willfully ignorant.

And if it looks different in a different browser, well that's an even worse transgression than anything I've listed above.

Modal window, no information about what the site's about:

Hey, finally a little information...but no menu:

It's a pretty picture, but I still can't see the menu, and I'm still only about 80% sure what the product actually is:

That damn menu disappeared again...but at least I'm reasonably sure they're talking about a vibrator now:

Seriously, dude, if this is the future of the Internet, then we'll be worse off than we were in the 90s. Pages were equally useless to navigate and view, but at least they had text content.

fyi what it looks like on a browser that doesn't suck.

http://i.imgur.com/AA4AtMn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HKi7Fw8.png

 

[Crusty]

Responsive == ok
Parallax == overdone

 

[Aharami]

the modal windows (we're hiring, etc) didn't pop up in chrome or IE. Only in ffx. The menu becomes invisible as you scroll in IE. Not in Chrome and ffx. They need to fix that

 

[Aharami]

I agree. Parallax is overdone. Seeing it everywhere. Yea it's slick when done right and good for portfolio sites. But not right for a lot of the sites that design is being used on

 

[purbeast0]

the modal windows (we're hiring, etc) didn't pop up in chrome or IE. Only in ffx. The menu becomes invisible as you scroll in IE. Not in Chrome and ffx. They need to fix that

ie is so far behind with all of the tech. i'm so glad that is the one browser we don't support at work. it's such a hassle to dev for because their development tools are absolute shit as well.

 

[Crusty]

ie is so far behind with all of the tech. i'm so glad that is the one browser we don't support at work. it's such a hassle to dev for because their development tools are absolute shit as well.

IE 9+ isn't so bad.....

 

[purbeast0]

IE 9+ isn't so bad.....

i will admit i haven't used it since my last project over a year ago (and was SUPER happy to be off of it due to IE support) but back then it was god awful. the development tools alone are just the worst.

chrome dev tools are BY FAR the best. firebug is better than IE's tools, but it's still lightyears behind chrome dev tools.

if you don't know about them ... just press F12 when using chrome to open them up. if you know a thing or two about how websites work and are built, it's pretty interesting. i always open them up on sites i like to see what's going on under the hood.

 

[Crusty]

i will admit i haven't used it since my last project over a year ago (and was SUPER happy to be off of it due to IE support) but back then it was god awful. the development tools alone are just the worst.

chrome dev tools are BY FAR the best. firebug is better than IE's tools, but it's still lightyears behind chrome dev tools.

if you don't know about them ... just press F12 when using chrome to open them up. if you know a thing or two about how websites work and are built, it's pretty interesting. i always open them up on sites i like to see what's going on under the hood.

Yeah I know a bit about websites. Dealing with IE9 isn't that bad if you're not concerned with everything being perfect. Anyways the only sort of dev work you should be doing with IE is running your automated tests against it, I certainly wouldn't use it as my daily driver while debugging JS etc or tweaking some CSS.

I've had no issues bringing 100% support to IE 9+, Chrome, FF, and Safari...

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah I know a bit about websites. Dealing with IE9 isn't that bad if you're not concerned with everything being perfect. Anyways the only sort of dev work you should be doing with IE is running your automated tests against it, I certainly wouldn't use it as my daily driver while debugging JS etc or tweaking some CSS.

I've had no issues bringing 100% support to IE 9+, Chrome, FF, and Safari...

IE is just typically behind with the CSS and HTML stuff, which is exactly what is going on with the lumio website. it's nothing more than styling issues for the most part, although i don't know why the modal is displaying. wonder if that is an adblock issue.

i've had to debug css issues in ie before and yeah, it's not fun at all. even had to debug ie7 only issues with a pc that couldn't run ie7, and had to run ie9 in ie7 mode, which won't actually emulate it 100%. such a hassle.

i'm still kinda thrown off that tihs forum is working after 1am est... not used to this.

 

[Carson Dyle]

i'd put that more on the developer because it's not working in IE. has nothign to do with the design.

While different shops work very differently, and I realize that it depends on the size of the project, but as a developer do you mean you also do the CSS for the projects on which you've worked? I would hope the designers would be capable of at least that.