Any way to oc a 4850 beyond the CCC levels?

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Tempered81

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yah i see that now, sorry about jumping to conclusions, i've been doing that alot lately. But if there is no reason just to flash the bios, Why is there a thread with 20,000 views on the ASUS top bios?
 

error8

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Originally posted by: jaredpace
Why is there a thread with 20,000 views on the ASUS top bios?

It seemed that a lot of people used that bios. Maybe it really does do something, but if you start reading all those pages ( like I did because I have no life), there is one person there that killed his 4870, overclocking it, using that specific Asus bios. So...
 

Tempered81

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just got this info via PM about the top bios:

"I'm more into hardware mods...

Afaik, there's only one single one-time way to increase vGPU on reference HD4870 via bios. That is, the Diamond bios. Flash it and you get a bit higher voltage, but there's no way to increase it further. I think non-reference boards like PALiT's/Gainward's bios can actually be modded by the user to increase voltage - to a point.

Hardware mods ->"

So it looks like the Diamond XOC and ASUS Top bioses both increase vgpu on 4870s - just not by the amount possible with hard modding.
 

error8

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Originally posted by: jaredpace
just got this info via PM about the top bios:

"I'm more into hardware mods...

Afaik, there's only one single one-time way to increase vGPU on reference HD4870 via bios. That is, the Diamond bios. Flash it and you get a bit higher voltage, but there's no way to increase it further. I think non-reference boards like PALiT's/Gainward's bios can actually be modded by the user to increase voltage - to a point.

Hardware mods ->"

So it looks like the Diamond XOC and ASUS Top bioses both increase vgpu on 4870s - just not by the amount possible with hard modding.

Now you got me thinking.... Got to find out where that floppy drive is. :)
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: firewolfsm
The 4850 is almost completely bandwidth limited, even a core of 900 won't help too much if your memory is still at 1100.

My benchmarking is showing that, and it doesn't help that I can't make FRAPS and Crysis play nice, it crashes everytime.

 

OCChronic

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There's always 4 reasons in my mind for a BIOS MOD overclock.

1. Most importantly for myself, it's permanent. Once you establish the Mem/core clocks fan speeds and voltages that work best, you can lock it in permanently & thus keep these settings from one build to another. there's no need for helper apps to load up at boot time and slow your PC down. Also, you don't lose your settings if you have a crash or corrupted windows install for whatever reasion. S#1t happens and you never know when things might get ugly.

2. nVidia and ATI are notorious for NOT running the fans on their cards high enough to keep their cards cool, even at stock clocks and voltages. This is because they want to sell cards to the small HTPC enthusiasts who are more concearned about quiet operation instead of blazing 3D performance. This is especially true in MATX or SFF cases where evrything is cramped and poorly cooled. A BIOS mod can change the fan speed profiles to suit an overclock better and you can, thru trial and error, find a compromise between noise levels and cooling to suits your overclocking needs best.

3. Most cards can increase voltages thru a BIOS mod and therefore increase the OC capability in general without any physical mod to the card itself.

4. If your are having problems with the card, you can even blind flash the card back to its original BIOS, using another PCI video card, provided you saved the original BIOS in case anything goes wrong. There are plenty of 'Blind Flash' guides on the net to help you thru the ordeal and I've done it myself once, and it was easier than I thought it would be.

Of course, if you are afraid of voiding your warranty, then overclocking is not for you. Any overcklocking inherently comes with risk and not for the clumsy, un-knolwedgable or faint of heart.

I've lost my fair share of hardware, but saved thousands of dollars in the end over buying the more expensive top-teir 'uber' parts. Most times, the middle teir parts outperformed the stock-clocked top-teir parts. =)
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: firewolfsm
The 4850 is almost completely bandwidth limited, even a core of 900 won't help too much if your memory is still at 1100.

I don't agree with your assessment. 4870 has 2x the bandwidth and it's only marginally faster than 4850. Not to mention 4870 core is clocked higher. Core is what makes cards faster. Right amount of bandwidth will stretch the core to it's limits.

4850 is perfect balance. 4870 has too much bandwidth to know what to do with. Lot of it is being wasted I'm sure.

 

AzN

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Originally posted by: OCChronic
3. Most cards can increase voltages thru a BIOS mod and therefore increase the OC capability in general without any physical mod to the card itself.

Most cards can not increase voltage through bios. :laugh: