Any way to join the military without having to fight in the war for oil.

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cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Dieing for any country is foolish.
Originally posted by: manowar821
Why must there be an unarmed protest? I'm speaking of a country where there is no visible military, because the people ARE the "military", because they're only required to actually defend themselves, their family, and their fellow humans. Kind of like a 100% enrolled national guard that doesn't ever get called out to kill people on the other side of the world for no good reason.

Make up your mind. You have a nasty habit of starting out with an absurdly broad statement, then trying to cover your ass with clarifications. Sounds kinda.. trollish to me.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: Cabages
Im gonna throw this in here, just because I dont want to make a new thread for it.

Does anyone know what the Air Force's requirements are for eyesight to be a pilot?

From here


Pilot

Normal color vision
Distant vision: Uncorrected 20/70, but corrected to 20/20
Near vision: Uncorrected 20/30, but corrected to 20/20
Meet refraction, accommodation and astigmatism requirements


 

Cabages

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: Cabages
Im gonna throw this in here, just because I dont want to make a new thread for it.

Does anyone know what the Air Force's requirements are for eyesight to be a pilot?

From here


Pilot

Normal color vision
Distant vision: Uncorrected 20/70, but corrected to 20/20
Near vision: Uncorrected 20/30, but corrected to 20/20
Meet refraction, accommodation and astigmatism requirements

Good karma to you, my good sir!

So you must have those requirements and have corrective lenses to 20/20 huh? Well, ill really have to think this over...

Though I have no idea how tall I am sitting down.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: DVK916
I should clarify, I have no intention of every joining the military, I don't believe in dying for this country.

Just wondered if someone wanted to join, but not fight for oil, if their was something they could do.
Maybe you should become a citizen of a country you do believe in dying for then.

I am a pacifist, I don't believe in dying in pointless wars. All wars are pointless.

Do you not use any oil ever?

Doesn't matter if they do or not.

If every other country suddenly decided not to sell another drop of oil to America that's their right, and we have nothing to say about it.

Oh, we could negotiate and all, but if we try to fight them for what rightly belongs to them I'd stand against America, including willingness to do violence to stop America.

We aren't special.

We do not have the right to make war on another country, except in self-defense

(actual defense, as in once attacked, not economic or convenience defenses).

Bahahahahahahahaha how do explain why we are in the whole Iraq region??? :laugh:
 

0roo0roo

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fight for oil? we would have just invaded venuzeula, less resistance, and frankly not as far away:p plus you don't need war for oil anyways, you can coddle dictators, give them free reign, supply them with weapons. really, if we had just ignored saddams bloody actions from the start and become their best buddy buds we could have dollar fifty gas right now.
 

destrekor

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ugh

first and foremost, one must understand human nature before you can try and decide how to run a country.
taking that into account, you must then understand you cannot merely maintain a world order, as a country that stands at the top of the world, and live on a 'if they attack our soil and invade, we'll defend' style of warfare. one must use offensive attacks to maintain order and peace.
there will always be groups that will attempt to destroy the foundation of the country. if you let them attack, and if they didn't invade, just stand there.. sooner or later the country will collapse under its own weight without that foundation.
now if they attack and you go to their soil and attack, that should always be permissible.
so should preventive offensive strikes, such as going to a country (with the knowledge they want to attack you), and prevent them from attacking you by any means necessary.
and accept it, until the U.N. can step in and actually do the job it was designated to do, which is maintain peace across the world, then someone is going to have to maintain order. and until the U.N. can step up, the powerful 'western' countries will always have a target on their backs from the smaller lesser-developed states and from small cell networks.
all because of human nature. We are a tribal entity, and at every step of life there is a drive to be the dominant.

and as far as a state having a military, it will be required due to the above statements. and freedom will always require the sacrifice of a few into the woodwork of this state to keep it running as is. to say otherwise is a testament to your ignorance, naiveness, and lack of understanding of how the world truly operates. you can dream of going back in time and changing the nature of governments and how things operate, but it will almost exactly be the same way as it is now, except maybe under a different hegemony. to dramatically change the world, religion would have to be rid of. The terrorists likely wouldn't even exist, at least not with their current motives, if religion were never created and in fact completely prevented.
but that is for another debate that has actually occurred many a time already.
 

Cabages

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I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

Oh, and also, could you bring your rig along to game on, or is there no time for that usually?
 

irishScott

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War for oil? You are an idiot.

Why would we fight for something we can easily get through political means? And why Iraq? We could've invaded Kuwait and taken it over easily. Or Columbia, as others have pointed out.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: Cabages
I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

I'd imagine they do, but who uses said showers is dependent on the Branch of Service and rank.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
fight for oil? we would have just invaded venuzeula, less resistance, and frankly not as far away:p plus you don't need war for oil anyways, you can coddle dictators, give them free reign, supply them with weapons. really, if we had just ignored saddams bloody actions from the start and become their best buddy buds we could have dollar fifty gas right now.

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the whole fight for oil theory. Op needs to be banned. He's a troll.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: Cabages
I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

Oh, and also, could you bring your rig along to game on, or is there no time for that usually?

Don't join the Marines. I won't go into details since you are homophobic, but shielding your penis from others (and vise versa) is not a top priority to the Marines.
 

Kirby

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The majority of the time I think the mods should permaban DVK916, but sometimes it is funny to see him make a fool of himself.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: Cabages
I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

Oh, and also, could you bring your rig along to game on, or is there no time for that usually?

Just don't drop the soap and you'll be fine. :p

 

50cent1228

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Just wondering if you can join, but stipulate that you won't fight in the middle east, since you don't support a war for oil.

nope u can't u have to follow orders for your country
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Cabages
I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

Oh, and also, could you bring your rig along to game on, or is there no time for that usually?

you'll have to mature as far as showering. i don't know about what the shower situations are like, I think they may be mostly private these days, but you'll get the guys who are secure with their sexuality, are full-blown straight, and will make comments and joke accordingly.

as far as computers, not at basic. I know my friend got a laptop during AIT, but he's a 25N (Army, civilian communication devices, like cisco and juniper routers and whatnot, he does VOIP stuff from what he has said), some other MOS's may not have that much downtime during AIT to make use of a computer. Whether or not he got much gaming in the way, I dunno... but you surely won't have the space for a complete rig. A laptop and/or personal dvd at the most.
 

40sTheme

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Originally posted by: DVK916
I should clarify, I have no intention of every joining the military, I don't believe in dying for this country.

Just wondered if someone wanted to join, but not fight for oil, if their was something they could do.

You really have some skewed ideas here...
A. "Fight for oil" is quite possibly the most idiotic of the Bush/Iraq war-hating principles (not to say I fully support the reasons, though)
B. You assume by joining the military you're going to die? The military is to FIGHT for your country, not die.
Also, in the military, you follow orders. Not choose them.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Cabages
I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

Oh, and also, could you bring your rig along to game on, or is there no time for that usually?

If you cant shower with a bunch of guys, you are not adult enough to be in any branch, and no you dont get to "game" at basic training. Once you get to your unit, of course. Your free time is your free time.
 

LegendKiller

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Is there any way we could get this troll banned? All he has done the past week is create stupid troll threads like this one and put them into places where they don't belong.

As for my more specific comment. If you don't want to fight or die to remain free, then leave. If I were required to protect this country against a foreign aggressor and I knew my death was going to either keep my children, my friends, and my countrywmen free, I would fight and die. If you can't say that then you don't belong here, because much better men and women have died to do the same for you.

 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Is there any way we could get this troll banned? All he has done the past week is create stupid troll threads like this one and put them into places where they don't belong.

The general consensus seems to be that this guy has already been banned once or more). AKA UCD Aggie or something similar.
If they ban him again, he'll just pop back up with another new name.



Originally posted by: LegendKiller
As for my more specific comment. If you don't want to fight or die to remain free, then leave. If I were required to protect this country against a foreign aggressor and I knew my death was going to either keep my children, my friends, and my countrywmen free, I would fight and die. If you can't say that then you don't belong here, because much better men and women have died to do the same for you.

No one joins the military to "Die for their country"...or at least they try to keep those kinds out of the military.
It's a totally different thing to join to KILL for your country however, and IMO, that's NOT such a bad thing, as long as you're discriminate about when, where, and who you kill...
Killing enemy soldiers in combat is OK. Killing unarmed civilians who are not posing a thread to you is not.
 

NuroMancer

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: manowar821
Why must there be an unarmed protest? I'm speaking of a country where there is no visible military, because the people ARE the "military", because they're only required to actually defend themselves, their family, and their fellow humans. Kind of like a 100% enrolled national guard that doesn't ever get called out to kill people on the other side of the world for no good reason.

Sounds like a hellish and chaotic world.

Mmmm.... I disagree.

Why must there be a walk in line, no questions asked military for you to feel safe and constant?

If every citizen is taught to stand up for themselves, we'd be a hell of a strong force, and without the arrogance and pushiness of a bullheaded military bent government, far fewer people would hate us, and far fewer people would be trying to hurt us.

In the event that a rouge nation does decide to take us by storm, we'd be ready and willing to defend ourselves RIGHTFULLY.

Is that not at the least, an interesting thought?

edit: spelling

It is an interesting thought, unfortunatly I don't see it working.

One thing I see wrong with this is a well trained and reasonably large military could walk over the united states without issue. If your only concern is to stand up for yourself, and your family, then who cares whats happening on the other coast.

Who would intercede in places like New Orleans?

The, "It is not my problem" would become the new way of life in the United States. Personally, that doesn't work for me.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Cabages
I dont know how else to word this weird question, but ill just put it here...

Im a little homophobic, and would be more than uncomfortable taking a shower with a bunch of other guys. Do most military installations have private showers?

Oh, and also, could you bring your rig along to game on, or is there no time for that usually?

If you cant shower with a bunch of guys, you are not adult enough to be in any branch.. your free time is your free time, however.

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with TB this time. I even edited it a bit to make it more true.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Is there any way we could get this troll banned? All he has done the past week is create stupid troll threads like this one and put them into places where they don't belong.

The general consensus seems to be that this guy has already been banned once or more). AKA UCD Aggie or something similar.
If they ban him again, he'll just pop back up with another new name.



Originally posted by: LegendKiller
As for my more specific comment. If you don't want to fight or die to remain free, then leave. If I were required to protect this country against a foreign aggressor and I knew my death was going to either keep my children, my friends, and my countrywmen free, I would fight and die. If you can't say that then you don't belong here, because much better men and women have died to do the same for you.

No one joins the military to "Die for their country"...or at least they try to keep those kinds out of the military.
It's a totally different thing to join to KILL for your country however, and IMO, that's NOT such a bad thing, as long as you're discriminate about when, where, and who you kill...
Killing enemy soldiers in combat is OK. Killing unarmed civilians who are not posing a thread to you is not.

I did say "fight or die", which actually should have been fight and/or die. I'd join to fight for my country to preserve it and if I died, then it is what it is, at least I helped keep it free. But I do agree that nobody should go in looking to die.