Any way to join the military without having to fight in the war for oil.

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.
 

Saulbadguy

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

I'm sorry, but what did he say that made you feel that he deserves to be labeled as a Nazi?
 

Cabages

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

How does that make him a Nazi?
 
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: manowar821
Dieing for any country is foolish.

Also "If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison." <--- That's the most retarded thing I've heard today. I didn't know it was a crime to disagree with a stupid decision/war, mr. fascist.

God, I didn't know there were so many mindless drones on this forum.

When you VOLUNTARILY join the military, you sign your rights away. If you do not do as you're told once you have joined, you go to jail.

The only mindless drone here is you.

Not necessarily true, though entirely possible. There ARE limits to what you can be ordered to do. The question is, do you have the courage and moral fortitude to stand up for what is RIGHT and accept the possible consequences? I refused many MANY orders while I was in. I faced Captain's Mast a number of times (though it never actually happened). However I can walk with my head held high for having NEVER contributed to something I thought was wrong.
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

I'm sorry, but what did he say that made you feel that he deserves to be labeled as a Nazi?

Because no thread is complete until someone is called a Nazi. Gotta love the trolling that happens when people see the word "war".
 

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

Quit being a little tard.
 
May 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: DVK916
I should clarify, I have no intention of every joining the military, I don't believe in dying for this country.

Just wondered if someone wanted to join, but not fight for oil, if their was something they could do.
Maybe you should become a citizen of a country you do believe in dying for then.

I am a pacifist, I don't believe in dying in pointless wars. All wars are pointless.

Do you not use any oil ever?

Doesn't matter if they do or not. If every other country suddenly decided not to sell another drop of oil to America that's their right, and we have nothing to say about it. Oh, we could negotiate and all, but if we try to fight them for what rightly belongs to them I'd stand against America, including willingness to do violence to stop America. We aren't special. We do not have the right to make war on another country, except in self-defense (actual defense, as in once attacked, not economic or convenience defenses).
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: DVK916
I should clarify, I have no intention of every joining the military, I don't believe in dying for this country.

Just wondered if someone wanted to join, but not fight for oil, if their was something they could do.
Maybe you should become a citizen of a country you do believe in dying for then.

I am a pacifist, I don't believe in dying in pointless wars. All wars are pointless.

Do you not use any oil ever?

Doesn't matter if they do or not. If every other country suddenly decided not to sell another drop of oil to America that's their right, and we have nothing to say about it. Oh, we could negotiate and all, but if we try to fight them for what rightly belongs to them I'd stand against America, including willingness to do violence to stop America. We aren't special. We do not have the right to make war on another country, except in self-defense (actual defense, as in once attacked, not economic or convenience defenses).

We'd wait 6 months for their economies to collapse without exports to the US. What a stupid example.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: DVK916
I should clarify, I have no intention of every joining the military, I don't believe in dying for this country.

Just wondered if someone wanted to join, but not fight for oil, if their was something they could do.
Maybe you should become a citizen of a country you do believe in dying for then.

I am a pacifist, I don't believe in dying in pointless wars. All wars are pointless.

Do you not use any oil ever?

Doesn't matter if they do or not. If every other country suddenly decided not to sell another drop of oil to America that's their right, and we have nothing to say about it. Oh, we could negotiate and all, but if we try to fight them for what rightly belongs to them I'd stand against America, including willingness to do violence to stop America. We aren't special. We do not have the right to make war on another country, except in self-defense (actual defense, as in once attacked, not economic or convenience defenses).

We'd wait 6 months for their economies to collapse without exports to the US. What a stupid example.

Right, because the US would stay strong while they fall. :roll:
 
May 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Don' t feed the Troll

Yup. When you join the military you may have to do things that you don't personally agree with. They don't just give you all that money for college for you to do nothing. That's kind of like asking if I can be on a companies payroll, but I don't really want to do the job that management wants me to do.

If you were hired by that company to teach kids to read and then your boss told you to shoot and eat the children I'd say you have the right (and the responsibility) to tell him to fvck off. As a less severe example if that company was breaking the law you'd have a responsibility to report it to authorities and try to stop them. Likewise, if you joined the military to defend your country from attack and were told to go attack a nation that's done nothing to you I'd say you have the same requirement to tell them to fvck off. There are right and wrong ways to go about it however.

It's a fine line between not wanting to fight, and not wanting to fight the wrong people or for the wrong reasons. I believe the soldier can be a voice of morality, indeed he MUST be. If enough would do so then the politicians would learn that they can only deploy military force where it's right to do so.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
We'd wait 6 months for their economies to collapse without exports to the US. What a stupid example.

As if there's no other countries to export to...

Did you know 1 in 3 people are Chinese?
 
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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

I'm sorry, but what did he say that made you feel that he deserves to be labeled as a Nazi?

To say that you must follow all orders, rather right or wrong, or face punishment. That is EXACTLY the thinking of the Nazis. Every human being has the ability to decide what's right and wrong (ok, except for the occasional sick serial killer/cannibal). Hierarchy doesn't imply correctness. If someone with authority over you tells you to do what is wrong (in absolutely any situation) you MUST refuse. Must. To do less makes you less of a human being.

Again, there are right and wrong ways to go about this. Obviously you don't chicken out of combat, and you don't wait till you're on the lines to stand up for yourself. That's nothing like what we're talking about however. Our military is deployed unjustly against a people who are NOT our enemy. We are an occupying Imperial force and if you agree with that then you must not support it. If you don't agree that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and to go fight.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: manowar821
Why must there be an unarmed protest? I'm speaking of a country where there is no visible military, because the people ARE the "military", because they're only required to actually defend themselves, their family, and their fellow humans. Kind of like a 100% enrolled national guard that doesn't ever get called out to kill people on the other side of the world for no good reason.

Sounds like a hellish and chaotic world.

Mmmm.... I disagree.

Why must there be a walk in line, no questions asked military for you to feel safe and constant?

If every citizen is taught to stand up for themselves, we'd be a hell of a strong force, and without the arrogance and pushiness of a bullheaded military bent government, far fewer people would hate us, and far fewer people would be trying to hurt us.

In the event that a rouge nation does decide to take us by storm, we'd be ready and willing to defend ourselves RIGHTFULLY.

Is that not at the least, an interesting thought?

edit: spelling
 
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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: DVK916
I should clarify, I have no intention of every joining the military, I don't believe in dying for this country.

Just wondered if someone wanted to join, but not fight for oil, if their was something they could do.
Maybe you should become a citizen of a country you do believe in dying for then.

I am a pacifist, I don't believe in dying in pointless wars. All wars are pointless.

Do you not use any oil ever?

Doesn't matter if they do or not. If every other country suddenly decided not to sell another drop of oil to America that's their right, and we have nothing to say about it. Oh, we could negotiate and all, but if we try to fight them for what rightly belongs to them I'd stand against America, including willingness to do violence to stop America. We aren't special. We do not have the right to make war on another country, except in self-defense (actual defense, as in once attacked, not economic or convenience defenses).

We'd wait 6 months for their economies to collapse without exports to the US. What a stupid example.

Which is why they won't do that. But to a lesser degree if they choose to reduce exports, or increase the price, or anything else, it's their right and we NEVER have the right to military action because of it. That was my point.
 

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Originally posted by: Cabages
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

How does that make him a Nazi?

When you refuse to question orders, especially ones that conflict with morality, then you're into Nazi territory. PoW was referring to the Nuremberg trials where the defendants argued they were not responsible for the Genocide as they were simply following orders.

The trial responded with a set of principles for war crimes that included:
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."
 

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Iraq is a war for the defense industry, not for oil. When it's all said and done, $1 trillion will have flowed into the coffers of the military industrial complex.
 

Cabages

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Originally posted by: UNESC0
Originally posted by: Cabages
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: adairusmc
If you join, you are going to follow your orders, regardless of your personal beliefs. If you do not, you deserve nothing less than prison.

My, what a good little Nazi you are. See you at Nuremberg II.

How does that make him a Nazi?

When you refuse to question orders, especially ones that conflict with morality, then you're into Nazi territory. PoW was referring to the Nuremberg trials where the defendants argued they were not responsible for the Genocide as they were simply following orders.

The trial responded with a set of principles for war crimes that included:
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

Thanks for clearing that up.

I was thinking more along the lines of the goals of the Nazi party.
 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
We'd wait 6 months for their economies to collapse without exports to the US. What a stupid example.

As if there's no other countries to export to...

Did you know 1 in 3 people are Chinese?

False! 1,470,468,924 out of 9,084,495,405 is not 1 out of 3 India has more people than China. ;)

In 2020 with their current growth rate, yes, they'll have more. I think you're just reading the wrong column though.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
We'd wait 6 months for their economies to collapse without exports to the US. What a stupid example.

As if there's no other countries to export to...

Did you know 1 in 3 people are Chinese?

1 in 5, actually.
 
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Cabages

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Im gonna throw this in here, just because I dont want to make a new thread for it.

Does anyone know what the Air Force's requirements are for eyesight to be a pilot?