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Any scuba divers here? Have some questions.

zmatrix

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A couple of my friends are getting together and taking an open water test. They are trying to get me to go but I don't have a clue about swimming. I can't tread water for the life of me even after 3 swimming lessons.

Do I need to know how to swim in order to dive? Just how dangerous is this sport meaning what are the chances of me drowning in deep waters. I know it's a silly question but it is a naive concern. I hope that some of you can provide me with some good facts to convince me otherwise. Thanks.
 
I don't know much about scuba diving, but I would say you definitely need to know how to swim.
 
No, you don't need to know how to swim in order to dive, but you're probably going to want to get back up to the boat at some point, so yeah.
 
I scuba alot.. and so does my dad...

He doesn't know how to swim and he goes just fine, not much swimming to it, your fins do most of the work
 
I'd want to be comfortable on the surface myself, at least be able to both tread water and relax, float around a bit. It is true, your BCD can provide a bunch of flotation on the surface. If something goes wrong though, you may not have a good BCD anymore. Learn to swim some.
 
When I got certified we had to tread water for 10-15 minutes ... and while you do are positively bouyant I would NEVER recommend anyone getting into the ocean without knowing how to swim. It's not that hard .... at least learn how to doggy paddle. The biggest reason most people get affected while diving is because something goes wrong, they get scared and forget their training and then they do something stupid. I remember reading about a guy who was in open water wall diving, got caught in some sort of undertow and runs out of air on the bottom .... the stupid thing was he had his weight belt on. If he had released it he would've shot right to the surface ....a case of the bends is better than drowning on the ocean floor IMHO.
 
I find it really wierd when people grow up without ever learning to swim... I guess it'd make sense if you grew up riding camels around the middle of the sahara desert, but otherwise... how do you not learn to swim? It's like not learing to ride a bike, or play tag or something...
 
Originally posted by: notfred
I find it really wierd when people grow up without ever learning to swim... I guess it'd make sense if you grew up riding camels around the middle of the sahara desert, but otherwise... how do you not learn to swim? It's like not learing to ride a bike, or play tag or something...
I'm the same way...

Anyway 3 swimming lessons isn't that much. You can learn to tread water and once you do it's really very easy. I could tread it for a long time and I'm not particularly fit.

Scuba can probably be done without a super knowledge of swimming since those fins turn you into a fish but I'd really recommend you learn how to swim first. It's really not that hard to be reasonable at it and then you can enjoy scuba properly.
 
hi,
i've been diving for 15-20 years now and i'd really reccomend that you know how to swim and be reasonably comfortable in the water before learning to scuba dive. if nothing ever goes wrong, you could probably get by not knowing how to swim well, but eventually something goes wrong and you will need those skills. if you are diving in cold water (like monterrey, california), you usually have a 7mm wetsuit, hood, booties, etc so you are really bouyant. typically i've got a 25 lb weightbelt to counteract that bouyancy. under most emergency conditions you could just drop the weightbelt and you would be on the surface and couldnt sink (exhale while ascending) but there is a lot of kelp (long seaweed) big waves, surge, etc. just natural open water processes that you need to know how to swim to deal with. this also applies when doing warm water diving.
going into the water, especially open ocean water while not knowing how to swim is really not a good idea. dont do it, learn to swim first.

how dangerous a sport is this? here's a cut and paste with the statistics... about twice as dangerous as driving.



> Dive Fatalities Per Year 91.2 91.2 Note (1)
> Certified Divers 9,500 9,300 (thousands) Note
(2)
> Active Diver Percentage 33% 25%
> Active Divers 3,135 2,325 (thousands)
> Avg Dives/Yr per Active Diver 10 6 Note (3)
> Avg Dives/Yr per Certified Diver 3.30 1.50
> Hours/Dive 0.75 0.75
> Diving Hours Per Year 23,513 10,463 (thousands)
> Diving Hours Per Fatality 258 115 (thousands)
> Diving Yrs/Fatality,Active Divers 34 25 (thousands)
>
> DRiving Fatalities Per Year 43,500 41,200 Note (4)
> DRiver/Rider Population 311 200 (millions), Note (5)
> DRiving Hours/Day Per Driver 1.5 0.5
> DRiving Hours Per Year 170.3 36.5 (billions)
> DRiving Hours Per Fatality 3,914 886 (thousands)
> DRiving Years Per Fatality 7.1 4.9 (thousands)
>
> Hourly Risk of Dying:
> Diving/DRiving 15.2 7.7
> Annual Risk of Dying: Diving/DRiving 0.21 0.19
>
> Notes:
> (1) Average yearly fatalities reported by DAN for last 10 years (North
> American divers: U.S.+Canada). Note that there has been a reassuring
> downward trend in diving fatalities over the decade, so 91 may be slightly
> high if recent trends continue.
> (2) Per PADI: 8.5M cert US divers (all agencies, including NAUI, SSI,
etc);
> Dan assumed an additional 1M Canadian divers, John 0.8M.
> (3) Dan: best guess. John: assumes a distribution of 20, 5, 3, 1.5 & 0.5
> average dives/year for six guesstimated active 5 percentiles of total
> certified divers (remaining percentiles assumed inactive).
> (4) Dan used 1998 National Safety Council statistic, John used 2000
> Almanac, which listed 1998 traffic fatalities.
> (5) Dan assumed 280M US & 31M Canadian drivers/riders; John guessed 200M
> drivers & car occupants based on 273 M US (1999), of which 70M are under
> age 18 and 35M are over age 65.
 
First off, I'm PADI Open water certified diver.

Originally posted by: lirion
No, you don't need to know how to swim in order to dive, but you're probably going to want to get back up to the boat at some point, so yeah.

Please don't provide incorrect information especially you're talking about scuba diving, it may cost people's life. As a requirement for PADI Open water certification, you NEED to know how to swim. The first pool session is to have u swim non-stop for 6 laps (full size pool).

I scuba alot.. and so does my dad...

He doesn't know how to swim and he goes just fine, not much swimming to it, your fins do most of the work

Are you mixing up scuba dive and just snookle? You gotta be kidding me that you dad scuba dive w/o knowing how to swim in the first place. I strongly believe neither you or your dad are certify by any organization.

I'd want to be comfortable on the surface myself, at least be able to both tread water and relax, float around a bit. It is true, your BCD can provide a bunch of flotation on the surface. If something goes wrong though, you may not have a good BCD anymore. Learn to swim some.

Not totally true, even your BCD is malfunction, you can still keep yourself on the surface, effortlessly (assuming you're wearing your wetsuit and drop your weight belt).

PM me if you have more question. Scuba rule!
 
I'm a certified diver. Before PADI or NAUI will certify you you will have to pass a basic swimming test and be able to tread water for about 7 minutes or so (I forget how long). Learn to swim - it's not that hard and you don't have to be a major athelete in order to do any diving. Remember, these skills will save your life.

I *HIGHLY* recommend you learn to swim before you try any diving.

Dave
 
Umm... Yes I highly recommend you learn how to swim before going diving.


BTW: This is an interesting experiment for all of you.

Call your local dive supply shop and ask for a drager/rebreather rig. Make sure you leave your name and other contact info. Wait for friendly neighborhood FBI agent to contact you and ask you why the hell you need a drager rig. 🙂
 
Not totally true, even your BCD is malfunction, you can still keep yourself on the surface, effortlessly (assuming you're wearing your wetsuit and drop your weight belt).

My point was, you need to learn to swim. If things go wrong, as they did for me once, being able to swim, being comfortable in the water probably saved me. someone who has to emergency surface, in a panic, may not dump his weight belt right away. Not knowing how to swim in a time like that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
 
I don't see how you can possibly not know how to swim... you float naturally, and as long as you don't flail like a crazy person, enough of your head will stay above the water to breathe.
 
25 lb weightbelt to counteract that bouyancy

Add 10 lbs if you drank a lot of beer the night before. :beer:
I dont think that anyone without the disipline of ones self to learn to swim should ever either SCUBA dive or Snorkle.
Panic is very often the cause of some very bad things happening to a diver and not bieng able to swim just contributes one more factor that causes panic. Just a little air bubble in the back of the neck can be devistating and this usually is caused by a panic surfacing, not as bad as blowing out a lung but bad. Learn to swim and get some confidence in yourself and get comfortable in the water before trying SCUBA.

Bleep
 
Exactly ... diving is dangerous, but the biggest thing about it is ALWAYS maintaining your composure. Not only is swimming a REQUIRED skill for most certified dive agencies but you are in a foreign potentially lethal enviornment. I would assume that you would do whatever in your power prior to the dive to make yourself as comfortable as you can. There are a hundred scenarios I can think of where you might be diving and need to know how to swim, just remember the immortal words of Mr. Miyagi .... "Learn to walk daniel-san before learn to fly!"
 
Originally posted by: bcmind
First off, I'm PADI Open water certified diver.

Originally posted by: lirion
No, you don't need to know how to swim in order to dive, but you're probably going to want to get back up to the boat at some point, so yeah.

Please don't provide incorrect information especially you're talking about scuba diving, it may cost people's life. As a requirement for PADI Open water certification, you NEED to know how to swim. The first pool session is to have u swim non-stop for 6 laps (full size pool).
The original poster was not giving incorrect information. While PADI does require that a person be able to swim, PADI is not the only agency that certifies divers; other agencies, such as CMAS, do not require, or did not require as I haven't checked lately, a person be able to swim in order to get their open water certification.

While I strongly recommend learning to swim, a recreational diver that only dives occasionally when on vacation can get by just fine. Many resorts offer diving and the group goes with a dive master who is responsible for babysitting a small group of recreational open water certified divers. A small boat will drop them off and pick them up without the divers having to swim a stroke.

There are also resort courses that can be taken without the necessity of any dive certification at all. These are entirely supervised and the depths are not more than 30 feet, but for non-divers it's a great experience.

 
If you plan on diving much at all why not learn how to swim? You will probably feel much more confortable in the water anyway knowing you can swim. If something would happen to your dive buddy you would have to help them out, and you would probably need to know how to swim for that.
 
I find it really wierd when people grow up without ever learning to swim... I guess it'd make sense if you grew up riding camels around the middle of the sahara desert, but otherwise... how do you not learn to swim? It's like not learing to ride a bike, or play tag or something...

Well to answer some questions, I grew up with friends who didnt do any water activities. The closest thing to touching water was wading in kiddie pool. As an adult, I took some swimming lessons but never picked it up. I can swim half-a$$ from point a to point b but if I need to rest, I can't tread water. Anyways, I found out that the instructor required students to tread water for 3 minutes minimum so that counts me out.

While I strongly recommend learning to swim, a recreational diver that only dives occasionally when on vacation can get by just fine. Many resorts offer diving and the group goes with a dive master who is responsible for babysitting a small group of recreational open water certified divers. A small boat will drop them off and pick them up without the divers having to swim a stroke.

The only reason I would want to get scuba cert is so that I could go see the fish when I take vacations to places such as hawaii. I was just under the assumption of what jjones mentioned...that there would be a bunch of people, even though I may not be able to really swim, there would be people to help. But this is good information. I will take more swimming lessons before diving.
 
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