Any reason to upgrade to 1156, if you already have high-end 775?

[MODEL3]

Like you said VirtualLarry wait for the 32nm versions is the best option.

The things is that Clarkdales in Q4 2009 (best case) or in Q1 2010 will only be 2 cores (4 thread). (32nm core i5 670 at 284$ will be 3,46GHz 2 core ver)

Probably 32nm 1156 quads we will see in Q3 2010.

Also since right now (Q3 2009) we have at 284$ a 45nm 1366 quad core nehalem at only 2,66GHz, the probabilities is for Intel to stick with 45nm 1366 quads also,
until Q3 2010 and scale the clocks more than the 2,66GHz figure at 284$ level...
Even if Intel has a fast tempo like the above (per Q instead of per H) we have:

Q3 2009 2,66GHz at 284$
Q4 2009 2,8GHz at 284$
Q1 2010 2,93GHz at 284$
Q2 2010 3,06GHz at 284$
Q3 2010 new 32nm 1366 quad cores CPUs



Sure Intel will have earlier than Q3 2010 6 core 32nm 1366 versions, but i supsect that the price will be very high and afterall why anyone will need more than 4 core / 8 thread processor?

I mean if you don't do 3d CAD & Rendering, why to buy an expensive 12 thread CPU for games and video encoding (home use...) ?

 

[imported_Shaq]

Hopefully there will be cheaper, lower clocked, Gulftowns next year and not just 1 $1000 part.

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: Shaq
Hopefully there will be cheaper, lower clocked, Gulftowns next year and not just 1 $1000 part.

My prediction is $1199-562$ price range.

If VirtualLarry has the money (too expensive for me) can take the 562$ part overclock it and voila.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Isura
I'm pretty skeptical of the newest anandtech article. The 920 is cheaper than the 860, and prices of x58 boards have dropped. It's a better upgrade path for next gen GPUs and 6-8 core processors. Lynnfield has low power consumption and should work great out of the box (turbo is a big improvement) for non overclockers. I'm probably waiting for the 920 to drop in prices further and going that route.

what's the chances of a current x58 board being compatible with 8 core cpu's? bios update?

anyway, if i were the OP, sell the q6600 for $120, get E0 q9550 for $160. overclock like mad. net cost $40 for a lot more speed and cache.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Really, is it worth it to drop $500-600 on a new platform, just because it's new and you can?

To be fair, you can sell your Q6600 and 8GBs of ram and mobo. I just sold my Q6600 + Mobo PCIe 1.1 + 6GBs of ram for $280 CDN ($250 USD). So that upgrade to 1156 will actually be $230 + $80 MSI mobo + $80 DDR3 4gbs, which is $160 US. Even if you get a much better $150 CF/SLI Asus/MSI/Gigabyte mobo, it's still closer to $230-$240, not $500-600. Of course a GT300/5870 will blow the doors off any Core i7 on a C2Q rig. . .

As a point of reference, Canada Computers is selling a Core i7 860 for $357 and Microcenter's $80 MSI mobo for $148. For any Canadian who was in the US over the long weekend, 1156 pricing was a great :gift:

Personally, I'd rather stand put with my 3.6 Q6600, and get some value for my money, than drop the cash for a new platform right now. I'd rather wait for 32nm CPUs, SATA-6G and USB3.0, and cheap, good-sized SSDs to materialize before I jump ship.

Remember the S775 system will continue to lose $. So there is a tradeoff in waiting. Given the lack of competition from AMD, it will probably be 6 months before prices on Core i7 860/870s drop. But, I completely agree that a 3.6ghz Q6600 will be sufficient for mostly everyone, especially if you are gaming on a single core GPU. Even a dual core E8400 is good enough for most games at reasonable rez/AA.

After all, what kind of value do you get for your computer systems, if you upgrade more than you use them?

Ya, it makes sense to upgrade if you are no longer happy with the performance (video/audio encoding, games, distributed computing, etc.).

For games, a videocard rules with any type of AA at reasonably high resolutions. And an Intel SSD is a better upgrade for everyday non-cpu intensive tasks over i7. I would think that a good SSD can be reused for the next 2 OSes, while the i7 will be aged in 2 years 🙂

However, it's also fun to play with new hardware, especially when you may be able to turn a $160-240 upgrade into a $1000 Core i7 965. The same applies for the outstanding $200 Core i7 920s, esp. now that X58 pricing is reasonable.

With tech, the longer you wait to upgrade, the more you get for your $$$.

 

[imported_Scoop]

I don't even see a reason to upgrade from my E4500 🙂

 

[ZipSpeed]

Ah, my days of upgrading to a new computer every year is gone. Damn you mortgage! Not saying I'm not happy with what I have. My Q9550 is still a very respectable performer.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Really, is it worth it to drop $500-600 on a new platform, just because it's new and you can?

Given that the cheaper I5 750 doesn't even have hyperthreading, then is there any real improvement over the high-end 775 platforms? Does the FSB hold back the 775 platform that much?

Personally, I'd rather stand put with my 3.6 Q6600, and get some value for my money, than drop the cash for a new platform right now. I'd rather wait for 32nm CPUs, SATA-6G and USB3.0, and cheap, good-sized SSDs to materialize before I jump ship.

After all, what kind of value do you get for your computer systems, if you upgrade more than you use them?

(I should be one to talk though, I just put together the Q6600 last year, and I don't really even use it for anything, although I figure DVD shrinking should go faster.)

I'm going to re-arrange my stable of PCs once Win7 releases, because I've got $500 worth of Win7 pre-orders, and plan on reformatting everything and installing Win7 64-bit and not looking back. (That from an XP die-hard, actually a W2K die-hard before that.)

Well, right now I'm sitting on an E8400 and Gigabyte P35 DS3L...I don't really "need" any extra power, but I could make use of it. I could just drop in a quad and call it a day, but that's no fun 😛

I saw a decent looking Gigabyte P55 board on Newegg for $109, an i5 for $209, and a 4GB kit of DDR3 1333 for $60.

I figure I can sell my current board for $50, my CPU for $100, and my 4GB of memory for $25.

Will probably be about $200 out of pocket. I could get a Q9400 for $190, and be out of pocket $90 after selling my E8400...but that's barely more than $100 difference for the two options for me. If I get the chance to seriously contemplate this, I'd probably go with the i5 full upgrade path, although I can respect others who wouldn't want the hassle of replacing lots of pieces. I rather like rebuilding often.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Well, right now I'm sitting on an E8400 and Gigabyte P35 DS3L...I don't really "need" any extra power, but I could make use of it. I could just drop in a quad and call it a day, but that's no fun 😛

Oh that's a great board P35 DS3L 🙂 Before you run out and get that Q9400 though consider that my DS3L Rev 1.0 needed:

FSB Termination voltage +0.1, MCH +0.1 to get 410 FSB on Q6600
FSB Termination voltage + 0.2, MCH + 0.2 to get 425 FSB
FSB Termination voltage + 0.3, MCH + 0.3 to get to 435FSB.

Completely failed at 438 FSB.

Also don't forget that 45nm Penryns run a premature death if you increase FSB termination voltage beyond 1.4V. So likely FSB +0.2 max!

That would give you 425 x 8 multi = 3400 mhz vs. Q9550 for 425 x 8.5 = 3.6ghz + 12mb cache vs. 6 mb in gaming. So if you are contemplating a quad on the DS3L, I suggest at least a Q9550 (Microcenter has them for $160, E0).

 

[SonnyDaze]

Wait!! Hold on!! Not just yet!! It might not be worth it according to this review of the i5 750:

Other Thoughts: If you have a Core 2 running at clocks speeds above 3GHz I see no need to buy. I feel like i wasted 6$$ beans for maybe a 5-7% gain in performance. From what i have read the PCIx splitting to 8 lanes only drops FPS above 1900x1200 with AA turned up. Word on the web is LGA 1155 is due to come out in 8 months also. Silly Intel STOP changing sockets!

:laugh:

 

[Axon]

I heard teh new sokit wuz 11156 and teh cpu codenamed "zipcode"

 

[Genx87]

I am in the same boat. My plan this winter was to build a new machine from scratch with an i5+GT300. But after seeing the gaming performance difference. I am asking why waste the money? My E8400 doesnt look that far off. So ill get a GT300 instead and save myself a lot of cash.

 

[Axon]

In all seriousness, I see little real world difference in gaming performance between my E8500 @4.0 and my i7 920 @3.6. The only game I saw improvement on was World of Warcraft, and that was only after a patch. I cannot say if it was the additional cores/affinity mask settings that improved my performance, or if it was some coding changes they inserted. Moreover, the improvement was only in the sense that I can now expect 60 FPS in Dalaran while it is crowded. Previously, I would commonly drop to 30 FPS.