Any reason not to go Xeon Haswell?

[JechtShot]

The Xeon E3 processor (Haswell) has 8mb cache and is a lot cheaper than the regular desktop chips. Any reason I can't just buy a Xeon processor and compatible motherboard? This is mostly due to cost savings and comparable specs.

FYI - I don't care about the ECC memory and this is mostly for gaming and photo/video editing.

 

[aigomorla]

u wont be able to overclock at all.

IF that isnt important.. then no... there is no other reason.
The Xeon tho maybe a better cpu... it may have better cache handlers then the desktop line.
The Xeon cpu was intended to be like a work horse... the desktop is more like a pasture horse..

 

[JechtShot]

I forgot to mention that I don't care for overclocking at all for max performance. I'll take stability and lower heat output any day. I did it when I was younger but I am now totally satisfied with the speed of today's chips at stock form.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If the board supports it. Then it will perform just as the "desktop" version.

Usually Xeons are better binned. So it might use alittle less power and run a tad cooler.

 

[aigomorla]

Ah i dont know if the IGP is also the same class...
That could also be another difference.

work horse no needs dx3d...

 

[Imouto]

Are these chips available? Where did you find the prices for them?

 

[SammichPG]

save the money/buy an ssd with the difference/buy more ram

 

[ShintaiDK]

Are these chips available? Where did you find the prices for them?

http://geizhals.at/intel-xeon-e3-1275v3-bx80646e31275v3-a954064.html
http://geizhals.at/intel-xeon-e3-1245v3-bx80646e31245v3-a954065.html
http://geizhals.at/intel-xeon-e3-1225v3-bx80646e31225v3-a954066.html

And so on.

 

[Imouto]

Not cheaper than the currently overpriced Amazon consumer offers lol.

 

[Kenmitch]

Not cheaper than the currently overpriced Amazon consumer offers lol.

Newegg has them available also. Prices seem ok to me but didn't do any hardcore comparisons.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ame=LGA%201150

 

[Markfw]

Its socket 1150, so get a desktop board with the Xeon

 

[ShintaiDK]

Not cheaper than the currently overpriced Amazon consumer offers lol.

Overpriced? Pricegrudge?

Its 350$ MSRP.Or ~267€ witout VAT. However with 20% VAT as the price list, its then ~320€. And it sells for 321.7€

I would say no to overpriced.

 

[JechtShot]

Chips are readily available on Newegg. I'll save 80-100 bucks, no problem .

 

[crashtech]

I presume everyone already knows that the E3 Xeons that end in "0" have integrated graphics disabled, the ones the end in "5" have graphics like normal i7s.

CPUs with a number lower than 1230 will not have Hyperthreading.

 

[TridenT]

The Xeon E3 processor (Haswell) has 8mb cache and is a lot cheaper than the regular desktop chips. Any reason I can't just buy a Xeon processor and compatible motherboard? This is mostly due to cost savings and comparable specs.

FYI - I don't care about the ECC memory and this is mostly for gaming and photo/video editing.

A lot cheaper? I don't see them being a lot cheaper... i7-4770 is $330? Comparable Xeon is something like $300? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116906 $270, but it's at 3.3ghz. Not 3.5. I don't know if these turbo either? I'm not familiar with Xeons.) It's some, but... it's not $100...

 

[Torn Mind]

A lot cheaper? I don't see them being a lot cheaper... i7-4770 is $330? Comparable Xeon is something like $300? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116906 $270, but it's at 3.3ghz. Not 3.5. I don't know if these turbo either? I'm not familiar with Xeons.) It's some, but... it's not $100...

200 Mhz lost might be worth the savings on the pocketbook for some people. $60 is a lot of money. They do have Turbo Boost.

It's cheaper at Provantage. http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80646e31230v3~7ITEP3U2.htm?source=googleps

 

[386DX]

A lot cheaper? I don't see them being a lot cheaper... i7-4770 is $330? Comparable Xeon is something like $300? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116906 $270, but it's at 3.3ghz. Not 3.5. I don't know if these turbo either? I'm not familiar with Xeons.) It's some, but... it's not $100...

The non K i7-4770 is $320 and is a 3.4GHz/3.9GHz chip. The comparable Xeon is the E3-1245v3 which is a 3.4GHz/3.8GHz chip but $30 cheaper, or you can get the one without video for $40 cheaper. The Xeon's are interesting alternatives for people who don't need an unlock chip because they aren't missing any 'features' and come with or without integrated video, you give up about 100MHz for a full feature chip. They also fill the gap between the 4670 and 4770 Range for people who can't afford the 4770 but want an 8 thread CPU the Xeon E3-1230v3 is close to the 4670 price.

 

[gevorg]

Xeon is nice if you go with 2+ CPUs, otherwise stick with overclocked -K series. IMHO.

 

[JechtShot]

Xeon E3-1220V3 is $219.99 (3.1 ghz stock - Turbo to 3.5ghz, no HT and TDP of 80w)
Core i7=4770S is 309.99 (3.1 ghz stock - Turbo to 3.9ghz, HT and lower TDP of 65w)

Call me crazy but I rather get the Xeon with same cache size, 400 mhz difference and I don't care for IGP and a little higher power draw. I compared them on Intel ARK and there are some missing advanced technologies in the Xeon (Intel vPro, and Intel Anti-theft) and of course the ones listed above. To me, a 90 dollar difference in comparable specs and close benchmarks will get my money.

 

[Arkaign]

Xeon E3-1220V3 is $219.99 (3.1 ghz stock - Turbo to 3.5ghz, no HT and TDP of 80w)
Core i7=4770S is 309.99 (3.1 ghz stock - Turbo to 3.9ghz, HT and lower TDP of 65w)

Call me crazy but I rather get the Xeon with same cache size, 400 mhz difference and I don't care for IGP and a little higher power draw. I compared them on Intel ARK and there are some missing advanced technologies in the Xeon (Intel vPro, and Intel Anti-theft) and of course the ones listed above. To me, a 90 dollar difference in comparable specs and close benchmarks will get my money.

Agreed.

If you don't need IGP, and do not overclock, then Xeon is hands-down the better choice at the price point.

 

[crashtech]

I always thought the 1230s were more in the sweet spot, but I suppose it depends on how much you think HT will help you. The 1220V3 is an i5, my guess would be that the performance would be virtually indistinguishable from a 4570 except in tasks that can use the extra L3.

 

[Imouto]

If you go and pick a non HT Xeon of course it will be cheaper than the HT consumer counterpart. Apples to apples:

4670 $230 at the egg.
1220V3 $220 at the egg.

So unless the extra 2 MB L3 is mandatory for you its the same price. If you want to settle for a CPU with no iGPU and clocked lower to save 10 bucks is up to you.

 

[TridenT]

I always thought the 1230s were more in the sweet spot, but I suppose it depends on how much you think HT will help you. The 1220V3 is an i5, my guess would be that the performance would be virtually indistinguishable from a 4570 except in tasks that can use the extra L3.

Yeah... this. I'd get the 1230v3...

 

[NTMBK]

This seems like the sweet spot to me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116909 Basically the same as a 4770 (non k), but $30 cheaper.

 

[Galatian]

Very interesting. Here in Germany the Xeon E3-1230v3 which has HT goes for roughly 225€, which is 60€ cheaper then the Core i7-4770 (although this one has the HD4600 and a 100 MHz higher base clock, for those who care). It might be an interesting choice for gamers who want all feature enabled (read: TSX) and don't need the HD4600 and it's Features (Quicksync).

The processor I'm actually looking at is the i7-4770S, which has a 65W TDP envelope a slightly slower base frequency of 3100 MHz, but does boost to 3900 MHz just as the i7-4770(K) does and it costs the same money. Might be a better choice in the long run just for the power savings.