Any poker players here?

evident

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I cant play poker anymore

I'm so streaky anymore... beginning of the semester i was up $300... now i'm down $500, I blew that $300 that i was up at the borgata and been losing games w/ friends at my house...

I keep thinking i'm making the right moves, but I don't even know anymore with all the bad beats and draws that kick my ass... and i'm losing focus

so the question is, how the hell do i snap out of this cold, cold streak?
 

EvilYoda

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If you're worried about streaks in poker, I would consider a new game. If you've been losing a lot, analyze your play, analyze your calls...something can be improved. Do you usually just play with the same friends?
 

Matt2

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I rarely play but when I do it's at Casinos and card rooms.

I always buy in for $50 or less and I have always come out $100 or more over. Except once when I lost $40.

That's why I dont play all the time. If I did I dont think I'd be nearly as successful.
 

KLin

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Professional poker players fold 80% of their hands. You're probably playing too many hands.
 

evident

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i've been playing with the same people for the last 3 weeks (one game a week) and I have pretty good reads on them; my problem is that even though i win alot of small pots, when there's a big pot in there and i have a beatable but strong hand i get destroyed =\ I have a good grasp of when I need to fold etc and i've been playing the odds as well on those hands. I think i need to learn to push people out of hands and draws more often, but that's risking losing out on getting the most out of my hand (eg if i have top pair but he catches a straight on river)... I def love poker... i just hate this cold streak and how it's been going on for this entire semester :(
 

evident

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Originally posted by: KLin
Professional poker players fold 80% of their hands. You're probably playing too many hands.

Online, i play less than 12% of my hands (pokerstars stats)

And in real life i think i'm not playing enough hands esp cash games where i have draws...

Also, I feel that i'm much stronger in tournament games vs cash games. I usually play tourneys on pokerstars but in real life i do both
 

virtuamike

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Originally posted by: evident
i've been playing with the same people for the last 3 weeks (one game a week) and I have pretty good reads on them; my problem is that even though i win alot of small pots, when there's a big pot in there and i have a beatable but strong hand i get destroyed =\ I have a good grasp of when I need to fold etc and i've been playing the odds as well on those hands. I think i need to learn to push people out of hands and draws more often, but that's risking losing out on getting the most out of my hand (eg if i have top pair but he catches a straight on river)... I def love poker... i just hate this cold streak and how it's been going on for this entire semester :(

I'd rather grind than be greedy :)
 

paulxcook

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Are your friends decent players? I had to stop playing with my friends because they had no strategy, no talent, just beginners dumb luck. 7-2 offsuit? Sure, I'll raise, why not? It's only money! And invariably something stupid happens like they flop a 2-7-2 or at least get something on the river that beats my technically sound, low-risk, high-quality hand.

I'm not good enough of a player to capitalize on their unpredictable stupidity, so I just don't play.

Good luck.
 

NanoStuff

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Imagine how much money you would have made if you spent the time at a real job. No chance of going into the negative, how is that for a brilliant scheme?
 

Double Trouble

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Streaks will happen, sometimes you run hot, sometimes cold, it's part of the landscape. I've played quite a bit -- my advice would be to take some notes after you play, jot down your observations when they are fresh in your mind. Then go back and review to see what happened.

Bottom line, if you make the correct moves based on the pot odds and the situation, but end up losing because of a bad break, that's not a problem. In the long run you will come out ahead. If you find that you made some incorrect moves and paid a price, learn from those mistakes and remember them the next time you face a similar situation.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
If you're worried about streaks in poker, I would consider a new game. If you've been losing a lot, analyze your play, analyze your calls...something can be improved. Do you usually just play with the same friends?

BINGO...

Poker is an up and down game, the more you play with different people, and the more you analyze yourself and your play the more winnign streaks you will get, but overall gambling has ups and downs.
 

DBL

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
Are your friends decent players? I had to stop playing with my friends because they had no strategy, no talent, just beginners dumb luck. 7-2 offsuit? Sure, I'll raise, why not? It's only money! And invariably something stupid happens like they flop a 2-7-2 or at least get something on the river that beats my technically sound, low-risk, high-quality hand.

I'm not good enough of a player to capitalize on their unpredictable stupidity, so I just don't play.

Good luck.

Let me get this straight. You stopped playing poker with your friends because they were awful and often call your raises with suspect hands? This should be easy money for you. I'm betting you are not giving a fair assessment of what really goes on.

To the OP, if you really are a tight player, I'd guess you would have to consider your competition. Online, playing tight is necessary at any decent limit, especially since you often do not have a read on all your opponents.

However, if I'm playing a home game, where I know my competition plays a whole range of inferior hands, I have to loosen up my play. I'd still be considered tight for the table but even the more moderate starting hands and raises that I make are often done with the best hand. Basically, I'm saying to adjust your play to the competition, which should pretty obvious to an experienced player.

Also, you need to consider normal variance. If you blew $300 at the borgata in one night playing 1/2NL, then that does not tell you much. Anything can happen in that short of a time frame. And if you blew $300 playing 2/4L, then that also would not tell you much since I don't believe you can beat such a game in the casino over the long run due to the rake.

 

necine

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boo hoo... you lost 45 bucks. be a man. any gambler will tell you streaks really do exist. but you can't blame a streak for losing. in poker people beat themselves, more often then not (except for "bad" beats). You need to understand yourself as a player, find your weaknesses. If you can't handle the swings, go play limit or a stud game.

I lost 2000 one night playing 1/2. The next day I won 3000. ****** happeneds, roll with it.

edit: i've found that sex helps end my bad streaks. I guess it's a boost of confidence, but give it a whirl.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Imagine how much money you would have made if you spent the time at a real job. No chance of going into the negative, how is that for a brilliant scheme?

i have a real job- i play poker to hang out w/ my friends and for entertainment. sure making money is always good too and i have to correct my play style


Originally posted by: necine


edit: i've found that sex helps end my bad streaks. I guess it's a boost of confidence, but give it a whirl.

hopefully i get to try your solution later tonight
 

NL mkII

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Originally posted by: KLin
Professional poker players fold 80% of their hands. You're probably playing too many hands.

This actually depends a lot on which game you are playing and what style you are playing. I've been playing no limit games from $5/$10 up to $25/$50 professionally for a few years now and I'm almost always the loosest guy on the table. I play nearly 50% of hands. If I was playing limit holdem though I would tighten up a lot more and also if I've gone through a bad streak I might tighten up a bit to get focused again.


Evident, you probably are streaky to be honest and you do need to sort that out if you want to play well enough to make any money. You need to start thinking about your mental attitude towards the game when you are losing AND when you are winning. If you feel like your attitude is in the complete wrong place then don't play, go back to the drawing board, analyse your play and start from the beginning again (as I've said I tighten up a lot after a heavy loss to get back in to the flow of the game again). I would also suggest dropping down in game size after a bit of a losing run, so if you normally play 50c/$1 just drop down to 5c/10c until you "get back your mojo", then when you are going great guns again, back up to 50c/$1. The best players in the world can be found playing really small games at times because they know they need to regain focus, most of you never find out about that because you will only ever see them playing the huge games!

If you want a chat by IM about your game then look me up, I'd be happy to help :)
 

RichUK

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:confused:

?Streaks? ? WTF, do you believe poker is based on luck?!?

You play the player not the hand.
 

NL mkII

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Streaks exist man! In the short term poker has a huge luck element, this is massively ironed out by the long run of the game but everyone will go through streaks. Continously toss a coin... you will frequently come across times where you will toss either 5 head or tails in a row!

I do agree that streaks are generally more mentally based but sometimes you are just gonna get your backside handed to you by the cards.
 

Crazee

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: KLin
Professional poker players fold 80% of their hands. You're probably playing too many hands.

Online, i play less than 12% of my hands (pokerstars stats)

And in real life i think i'm not playing enough hands esp cash games where i have draws...

Also, I feel that i'm much stronger in tournament games vs cash games. I usually play tourneys on pokerstars but in real life i do both

From what you are saying here, it sounds like you are playing very tight. If you are playing against decent players then they will only call your raises when they have very good hands or hands that could develop nicely if you let them in the pot for cheap (i.e. suited connectors). You need to loosen up a little and vary your betting a little more. Try increasing the amount of your raises pre flop.
 

Firebot

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Originally posted by: evident
i've been playing with the same people for the last 3 weeks (one game a week) and I have pretty good reads on them; my problem is that even though i win alot of small pots, when there's a big pot in there and i have a beatable but strong hand i get destroyed =\ I have a good grasp of when I need to fold etc and i've been playing the odds as well on those hands. I think i need to learn to push people out of hands and draws more often, but that's risking losing out on getting the most out of my hand (eg if i have top pair but he catches a straight on river)... I def love poker... i just hate this cold streak and how it's been going on for this entire semester :(

It sounds like you need to read a book or two about pot odds, implied odds and reverse implied odds especially. You need to bet enough with your top pairs for someone with a straight or flush draw to be betting into a mistake even if he does catch his flush / straight occasionally. It's not about pushing players off their draws, it's about pushing players to make mistakes where in the long run you make money.

If I'd be playing you I'd take full advantage of your tight passive play. You can be a great reader of players, but it doesn't matter if the other players can all read you correctly too. Also be very careful in mireading people, as many players will know exactly what image they are portraying on the table while at the same time really playing a different way.
 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: Crazee
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: KLin
Professional poker players fold 80% of their hands. You're probably playing too many hands.

Online, i play less than 12% of my hands (pokerstars stats)

And in real life i think i'm not playing enough hands esp cash games where i have draws...

Also, I feel that i'm much stronger in tournament games vs cash games. I usually play tourneys on pokerstars but in real life i do both

From what you are saying here, it sounds like you are playing very tight. If you are playing against decent players then they will only call your raises when they have very good hands or hands that could develop nicely if you let them in the pot for cheap (i.e. suited connectors). You need to loosen up a little and vary your betting a little more. Try increasing the amount of your raises pre flop.

Playing 12% of hands preflop (is that counting hands in the blinds?) is VERY tight, especially in low-limit online games (although note that you shouldn't mix stats between tourneys/ring games or limit/no-limit, since they'll skew your numbers all over the place). Since you're concerned about having lost $40 in a night and $500 in a few months, I'm guess you are playing something like $1/2 limit at most. You're playing way too tight for that level of game if you are folding almost 90% of hands preflop.

In a relatively loose ring game, you basically want to be the tightest player at the table -- but not by much, and you don't want to look conspicuously tight. If you sit there waiting for kings and aces, everyone will know that you're playing super-tight and never give you any action when you do have a hand. And against loose players you can't steal enough to make up for it. In multiway pots you can profitably play a lot of draws -- especially if you have implied odds from people who will call down your flopped straight the whole way with as little as one pair.

If you are doing well in tournaments but not in loose cash games you may be playing too aggressively and trying to steal or bluff all the time. This works great in fast tournaments but will not work -- at all -- against loose ring game players who will call with anything, especially in limit games. If it's a no limit ring game you can sometimes bluff people out by moving all-in, but in a limit game you just can't bet enough. At higher limits, against players capable of making tough laydowns, you can sometimes pull this kind of thing off in a ring game. But it's just not going to work consistently at low limits.

It sounds like you need to read a book or two about pot odds, implied odds and reverse implied odds especially. You need to bet enough with your top pairs for someone with a straight or flush draw to be betting into a mistake even if he does catch his flush / straight occasionally. It's not about pushing players off their draws, it's about pushing players to make mistakes where in the long run you make money.

This is good advice too. If you have a hand, and there are draws out there, bet. Checking to calling stations is almost always a mistake if you have a real hand.