I just found out last night, colors looked a lil better at 109. Why didn't reviewers told us anything about this
Any one know ATI has color saturation in avivo color control?
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I for one have always hated Digital vibrance,
its great if you want fake colous...... But i am into photography that does not look like it was made by a nokia phone.
its great if you want fake colous...... But i am into photography that does not look like it was made by a nokia phone.
I've never really liked DV either. It always gave me headaches for some weird reason. I always turned it to very low but it would hurt my head as sooon as I turned it on. very weird..
I dont own a 24" LCD. I own a 21" CRT. It was much cheaper, and fits my needs perfect. the colours are vivid enough.
That is the most ambiguous statement i have heard in a long time directed at me.... I can take it as if you are patronizing me or i can take it simply as a statment of acknowledgement.
If you are patronizing me then you dont know the reason that i take the view I take. With photography not everything on screen comes out on paper as you would expect it to. you can spend days configuring the temperature and other settings of your monitor just so that it would give you comparative colours to what comes out on print. And then when you add something that changes the colour saturation without changing it on the finished print, you increase the chance of differences between what you see on screen and what goes out.
For games its not all that bad but when i see it it just looks plain tacky to me.
by the way, if you were not patronizing you could have saved yourself the 30secs it would have taken for you to read my post.
I don't like it either. It cuts off a third of the possible red, green, and blue colors while making them unevenly bright. You should calibrate your monitor instead. You'd be amazed at how much difference good calibration makes. I just adjusted mine against some cyan, magenta, yellow scales and my monitor looks stunning now.
In analogy to nearsightedness, digital vibrance is like printing out bigger text so you can see it better, and good calibration is like being able to see the small text now.
Plus, a good calibrated grayscale helps ClearType and antialiasing.
In analogy to nearsightedness, digital vibrance is like printing out bigger text so you can see it better, and good calibration is like being able to see the small text now.
Plus, a good calibrated grayscale helps ClearType and antialiasing.
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Because reviewers and even forum posters concentrate on other aspects of the hardware like gaming performance and minutia details of AA/AF while ignoring other aspects altogether.
I like having the option myself. It was one of the most requested features for Catalyst drivers for ages. There should be far more control over our graphics hardware IMO, and you should most certainly be able to tweak your image to your liking for both color and size.
It would be nice if vendors provided comprehensive guides to using their drivers to control their hardware. I'd also like to see them raise the bar and include quality calibration software and access to advanced driver features to tweak the color and size output of our cards, so we can get exactly what we want out of our hardware out of the box.
Steelski has already addressed this, but I'll say it again a different way: we do enhance our images, but we work on the images themselves, often with very localized and specialized adjustments (saturate the blue channel only on these masked areas by +3).
Photographers want a calibrated and profiled system, so that the camera and scanner can capture images that will show up exactly as they are on the monitor, and which will subsequently look the same when printed. Using the cheap and nasty "digital vibrance" or equivalent simply pushes up the saturation of everything, meaning that everything is distorted and the gamut is clipped (since you probably don't know, read up about gamut on your own time) by pushing midrange colors into the very saturated area, and causing truly saturated colors to clip (thus, they will look exactly the same as the somewhat-saturated colors, causing texture detail to be lost in areas of already high saturation).
I could go on and on, but it's probably pointless. Those who don't care about accurate color can have their Velvia-for-the-screen now with both NVidia and ATI, but that won't stop people from not using this "incredible" technology, just like people won't use the stupid audio "enhancement" processors that add selective distortion to make your files sound "better."
Good calibration actually pushes down the saturation of other things to emphasize the saturation of things that do need to be saturated, if you get my flow. It's like high dynamic range in a way, but also in a way not even close. 
Your monitor: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
Your monitor "on" digital vibrance: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/digitalvibrance.png
Your monitor: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
Your monitor "on" digital vibrance: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/digitalvibrance.png
Originally posted by: xtknight
Good calibration actually pushes down the saturation of other things to emphasize the saturation of things that do need to be saturated, if you get my flow. It's like high dynamic range in a way, but also in a way not even close.
Your monitor: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
Your monitor "on" digital vibrance: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/digitalvibrance.png
Thats cranked up pretty high, on my CRT it looks good if you only bump it up very slighly.
I know exactly what you mean, it makes a considerable difference for watching colorful videos and the like. If you want to photoshop its a whopping 3 clicks to change it default and then back for everything else.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Good calibration actually pushes down the saturation of other things to emphasize the saturation of things that do need to be saturated, if you get my flow. It's like high dynamic range in a way, but also in a way not even close.
Your monitor: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
Your monitor "on" digital vibrance: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/digitalvibrance.png
if ur dumb enough to go 120 on the saturation control it'll look like that.. but 107 doesn't look anything close to it.
Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
Originally posted by: xtknight
Good calibration actually pushes down the saturation of other things to emphasize the saturation of things that do need to be saturated, if you get my flow. It's like high dynamic range in a way, but also in a way not even close.
Your monitor: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
Your monitor "on" digital vibrance: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/digitalvibrance.png
if ur dumb enough to go 120 on the saturation control it'll look like that.. but 107 doesn't look anything close to it.
exactly.
It might be fine for movies that need a bit more punch, but any gamut clipping is bad for color-critical work. If it were an option for movies only, I might actually use it, but otherwise there is no reason for it (especially if your media player has options to change such parameters for video content only).
Well if you use the nVidia PureVideo decoder you can have it be just for movies. Not sure if DV shows up as an option for ATi cards though.
Even for general photo work, DV isn't going to be that bad. There's not that many people who need that accurate of color.
Besides, like has been pointed out its an option that you don't have to use or that can easily be toggle on/off, so its not like you're being forced to use it.
Even for general photo work, DV isn't going to be that bad. There's not that many people who need that accurate of color.
Besides, like has been pointed out its an option that you don't have to use or that can easily be toggle on/off, so its not like you're being forced to use it.
If you shoot a few photos a month at family gatherings with a $100 digital P&S, then yeah, go ahead and put your colors on crack and don't worry about it. On the other hand, any amateur who cares about photography should disable any driver-level whole-system saturation "enhancements," even if he or she isn't calibrating the display.
Sorry we sound grumpy. Its coz we are all victims of our own work. Thank God i mostly use Black and White.
And yes, ATI has an option even without AVIVO to use saturation controls on any video. But i think that video looks even worse. I once got this experience when trying to watch an episode of Lost. Looked good,good,good,good,good.... OMG what is that!!!!!!!!!!! movies seem to change scenes that react differently to saturation and vibrance controls.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Good calibration actually pushes down the saturation of other things to emphasize the saturation of things that do need to be saturated, if you get my flow. It's like high dynamic range in a way, but also in a way not even close.
Your monitor: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/normalscale.png
Your monitor "on" digital vibrance: http://xtknight.atothosting.com/tools/digitalvibrance.png
thts too HIGH!! i have it between low and medium and it looks great really!
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