Any new news on the HD5870 2GB?

[solofly]

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[RussianSensation]

Why do you want 2GBs? Hardly any games use > 1GB.

Not even Crysis on Very High at 2560x1600 benefits from 1.7GBs, nevermind 2GB.

Perhaps, STEALKER: Clear Sky does. But I don't think the price premium will be worth it over 1GB 5870 card for extra 5-10% performance boost, somewhat reminiscent of 9800 Pro 128mb vs. 256mb scenario a while back.

 

[solofly]

GTA 4 and the future games... (when I upgrade I want to make it worthwhile)

Going from 3 x 4870 1GB(each) to 2 x 5870 1GB(each) isn't good enough for me.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: solofly
GTA 4 and the future games... (when I upgrade I want to make it worthwhile)

Going from 3 x 4870 1GB(each) to 2 x 5870 1GB(each) isn't good enough for me.

Well if it makes you happy to know you have 2GBs I guess that works too But performance wise, I don't think it'll make any difference until 6870 / GT400 come out and we get Crysis 3 or something new.

GTA4 hehe is one of the worst console ports in a long time. Its graphics are not even as good as Gears of War on Xbox 360 years ago and it runs like crap!

 

[Tempered81]

I haven't seen a 5800 1gb get bogged down by anything yet, however I'm sure gtaIV at long view distances can do it. However, there are many people waiting on the 2gb vram version, so ati needs to get to it! 2gb is maybe more "future proof" for high res & AA on later games. Eyefinity6 will have 2gb in November, but you're gonna need a lot of stupid mini-DP adapters for all your DVI monitors! hahaha

 

[crisium]

http://www.tomshardware.com/re...ics-ram-4870,2428.html

I guess it has some uses.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Crisium
http://www.tomshardware.com/re...ics-ram-4870,2428.html

I guess it has some uses.

I must be missing something. All I saw was 1-2 frames per second improvement in minimum framerates in Crysis at the already unplayable resolutions, and 4 frames difference in GTA4 at 2560x1600, which OP's monitor does not support. Otherwise, there was no performance difference whatsoever that you could notice in gaming.

 

[v8envy]

Run 4 MMO clients at once at 1920x1200 and then tell me 2G is a waste. We'll be able to do that with eyefinity!

 

[aequasi]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
I haven't seen a 5800 1gb get bogged down by anything yet, however I'm sure gtaIV at long view distances can do it. However, there are many people waiting on the 2gb vram version, so ati needs to get to it! 2gb is maybe more "future proof" for high res & AA on later games. Eyefinity6 will have 2gb in November, but you're gonna need a lot of stupid mini-DP adapters for all your DVI monitors! hahaha

i thought it was the other companies that added more memory, not ATI (eg. vapor series are all 2gb)

Originally posted by: v8envy
Run 4 MMO clients at once at 1920x1200 and then tell me 2G is a waste. We'll be able to do that with eyefinity!

i like the way you think....

 

[Hauk]

When you see a nice BMW in traffic, do you pull up and ask why they bought an expensive car? It kills me every time I see someone question another about they're reasoning on high end hardware. Since when is any of this supposed to be a logical buy?

Okay.. rant finished. :evil:

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Why do you want 2GBs? Hardly any games use > 1GB.

Not even Crysis on Very High at 2560x1600 benefits from 1.7GBs, nevermind 2GB.

Perhaps, STEALKER: Clear Sky does. But I don't think the price premium will be worth it over 1GB 5870 card for extra 5-10% performance boost, somewhat reminiscent of 9800 Pro 128mb vs. 256mb scenario a while back.

One could also say this is like the 4870 512MB vs 1GB situation. When the 4870 first came out, 512MB was perfect but eventually people wanted more memory.

And honestly, 2x1GB is NOT enough for a card like a 5870x2. A card that is going to do 2560x1600 with 8X AA or higher in games like Crysis and even more demanding games, it needs 2x2GB.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
One could also say this is like the 4870 512MB vs 1GB situation. When the 4870 first came out, 512MB was perfect but eventually people wanted more memory.

An excellent point in itself. 4870 512mb made quite an impression. It wasn't long before FC2 gave clear reason for more memory though.

 

[alcoholbob]

So if you use 8XAA and 19x12 or play at 2560x1600 (with GTA4 and Crysis...), you can see a benefit with 2GB vs 1GB. Probably not enough to justify the cost, but if you have the money, go for it.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Hauk
When you see a nice BMW in traffic, do you pull up and ask why they bought an expensive car? It kills me every time I see someone question another about they're reasoning on high end hardware. Since when is any of this supposed to be a logical buy?

Okay.. rant finished. :evil:

I dont think you can make a comparison between a BMW and a graphics card with more ram. A car is both a sentimental purchase/ and ego boost for some and a means of transportation at the same time. While I don't wake up and think that my friends or anyone will compliment me on my 2Gigs of ram 5870, and neither will it get me more women :brokenheart: ("Oh look at him, he is packing 2GBs of video ram" -- that's double the average size!!!) ... but I get the point that you can never satisfy a human being's desire for getting the latest and greatest (or "bigger is better").

My point was just that 2GBs will be needed eventually, but imo, it will take at 1 generation of games/graphics card from today to make it worthwhile.

I suppose the argument that buying a 2GB 5870 is a way of future proofing in much the same way as 4870 1GB was to the 512mb version makes more sense. Then again, someone like Solofly who buys top of the line already is likely going to upgrade every generation anyway. So the idea of future proofing seems irrelevant.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

I suppose the argument that buying a 2GB 5870 is a way of future proofing in much the same way as 4870 1GB was to the 512mb version makes more sense.

Not by far. In my opinion, 4870 should have never been released with only 512 mb of vram. It suffered in a lot of situations because of that, while the 2 gb of the 5870 can only be used for GTA 4 and probably some Fallout 3 super high resolution textures pack.

 

[OCGuy]

Do you use a 30" monitor?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Hauk

Originally posted by: dguy6789
One could also say this is like the 4870 512MB vs 1GB situation. When the 4870 first came out, 512MB was perfect but eventually people wanted more memory.

An excellent point in itself. 4870 512mb made quite an impression. It wasn't long before FC2 gave clear reason for more memory though.

Except that was then and this is now, the situations might seem similar but you have to put them into context - 512MB was on its last legs as an acceptable amount for high end cards when the 4870 debuted, whereas 1GB is still pretty young as a standard amount to have. It would take the next batch of cards (or refresh perhaps) to be in the same position as the 4870 debuting with 512MB

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Why do you want 2GBs? Hardly any games use > 1GB.

Not even Crysis on Very High at 2560x1600 benefits from 1.7GBs, nevermind 2GB.

Perhaps, STEALKER: Clear Sky does. But I don't think the price premium will be worth it over 1GB 5870 card for extra 5-10% performance boost, somewhat reminiscent of 9800 Pro 128mb vs. 256mb scenario a while back.

A lot of games benefit from extra memory, let alone that it's 1

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Why do you want 2GBs? Hardly any games use > 1GB.

Not even Crysis on Very High at 2560x1600 benefits from 1.7GBs, nevermind 2GB.

Perhaps, STEALKER: Clear Sky does. But I don't think the price premium will be worth it over 1GB 5870 card for extra 5-10% performance boost, somewhat reminiscent of 9800 Pro 128mb vs. 256mb scenario a while back.

:roll:

Almost any modern game would benefit from extra memory - especially when we are talking about having 512

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: T2k

A lot of games benefit from extra memory, let alone that it's 1

Almost any modern game would benefit from extra memory

Bit-Tech.net
Crysis - No
Fallout 3 - No
Far Cry 2 - No
STALKER: Clear Sky - No
Call of Duty 5 - barely Still can't beat GTX 285 minimums

Tom's
Crysis - 2560x1600 4AA No
Far Cry 2 - 2560x1600 8 AA - No
HAWX - 2560x1600 8 AA - Yes <-- but you are going from 18 to 23 frames, still unplayable, and it only helped in 2560x1600, not OP's resolution
Left 4 Dead - 2560x1600 8AA - No
STEALKER: Clear Sky - 2560x1600 4AA - barely <- going from 12.9 to 14.8...
World in Conflict - 2560x1600 4AA - No
3D Mark Vantage - Extreme - No

Can you please link any proof where the performance difference between 1GB and 2GBs is noticeable (i.e., go from unplayable to playable or at least 20%-30% boost)?

Also OP has a 24 inch monitor so by looking at 2560x1600 you can provide the worst case scenario, which he won't encounter. For his resolution, today, 1GB of memory is enough.

 

[Stoneburner]

For people who upgrade every 2 or 3 generations, it could be important to have a 2gb card. Besides if somebody wants it who are you (yes you) to judge!

 

[OVerLoRDI]

I view it as future proofing. If I can get 2gb for not that much more I'll do it. Back when I bought my 8800gts I had the choice between the 320mb version and the 640mb version. I picked the 640mb version and over the years that extra video ram had added a bit of future proofing. I only upgrade ever 2 or so generations so the extra video ram really helps in the long run. Also textures aren't getting any smaller, check out the half life 2 cinematic mod, that game alone is enough reason for me to have 2gb of video ram, screw GTA4

 

[solofly]

I didn't make this thread for you guys to fight whether 2 gigs makes a difference or not. All I asked, has anyone seen one yet or knows something and wouldn't mind sharing it with us...

Relax...

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Also OP has a 24 inch monitor so by looking at 2560x1600 you can provide the worst case scenario, which he won't encounter. For his resolution, today, 1GB of memory is enough.

I prefer my 46" LED TV...

PS
BTW, are you really Russian? My Grandmother is Ukrainian...(I say is cause she's still alive)

 

[v8envy]

FFS, you guys keep forgetting eyefinity. You may not want 5760x1920, but I know I will. Long before this card is obsolete.

1G ain't gonna cut it for everyone. Yes, it's great for single monitor users playing a single full screen game. That's by far not everyone. I run the equivalent of 5120x1024 on my 1920x1200 24" *TODAY* (4 instances of Eve Online at 1280x1024, overlapping and virtual desktops) and I can barely do that with every setting at minimum. If I crank textures and/or FSAA performance utterly implodes as I exhaust on-card RAM.

Saying 1G is enough for any user is incorrect.