Any iPhone 5s/6 rumors?

[JAG87]

So, if you guys go back to my original post and read what I originally wrote, which was:

Then we're, in fact, in agreement. Correct?

Nope, because a .3" increase doesn't warrant a density doubling. All you need to do is expand the canvas.

 

[Eug]

Then we're, in fact, in agreement. Correct?

No. While numbers of pixels would increase somewhat, the density would stay the same.

In fact, as size increases, it is actually reasonable to decrease density slightly, even though I don't think they'd do that. The reason why you can decrease density is because there is a tendency to hold the device further away as size of the screen increases. IOW, Retina on a 5" device doesn't necessarily need to be as dense as it is on a 3.5" device. However, Apple has chosen a high density on its 3.5" device and kept the same high density for its 4" device. I suspect they'd do the same for a 4.3" device. This would be nowhere near doubling the number of pixels, and quadrupling pixels would just be plain ludicrous.

I suppose they could go to 720p though, just because it's a common resolution. That would increase the pixel density to 342 (from the current 326) on a 4.3" device. 720p would represent a 27% increase in pixels from the current 1136x640 on the 4" iPhone 5.

Interestingly, 1280x720 on a 4.3" phone is exactly the size I have been suggesting for future Android smartphone models.

However, as we have said before, I'd expect the 5S just to have the exact same screen size and density as the 5. If the screen were to get bigger, it wouldn't likely be in 2013.

 

[bearxor]

Nope, because a .3" increase doesn't warrant a density doubling. All you need to do is expand the canvas.

No. While pixels would increase slightly, the density would stay the same.

In fact, as size increases, it is actually reasonable to decrease density slightly, even though I don't think they'd do that. The reason why you can decrease density is because there is a tendency to hold the device further away as size of the screen increases.

Retina on a 5" device doesn't necessarily need to be as dense as it is on a 3.5" device. However, Apple has chosen a high density on its 3.5" device and kept the same high density for its 4" device. I suspect they'd do the same for a 4.3" device. This would mean nowhere near doubling the number of pixels, and quadrupling pixels would just be ludicrous.

I just said .3" minimum, just because I suspect a larger iPhone to come in at between 4.3-4.5", but no one really knows for sure and until Apple announces something, no one really knows.

But I'm not going to keep discussing this if you keep moving the goal posts. First it was "no pixel doubling without a size increase" and now it's "no pixel doubling without increasing the screen size by something more than .3" "

I'll just say that I believe Apple will deliver a screen size increase, along with a pixel doubling, at some point in the future, possibly next year. It's just my opinion. I don't believe Apple will want to lay back and let the 1080p competition run over it. Increasing ppi to 500 will be important to Apple as China becomes a larger market for them. I fully expect this to happen, but not this year.

 

[Red Storm]

All the rumors point to changing the look of iOS, and we've already seen Apple highlight stuff like Siri as a flagship feature so I expect them to only talk about the iOS changes this round, not any hardware changes.

 

[lopri]

I wonder what "flat UI" means and how it can be applied to iOS 6? You can't change the interface to something completely different without having users go through a learning curve. On reflection, Apple isn't a stranger doing such a thing but I am curious how it's going to become "flat." Is it going to be like Holo or Metro? (Perhaps my imagination is lacking.)

 

[Mopetar]

Hmm, as Android continues to steal away iOS users because it's more powerful/flexible/configurable I'm not sure that's really the way to go.

I don't think that there are terribly many people ditching iOS for Android for that reason and that in the grand scheme of all users they don't amount to more than a rounding error.

Apple really isn't changing the philosophy behind their design. If anything, they've always been about simplicity and, in many ways, a flat design is about producing something that's clean and simple.

I don't expect Apple will change much in terms of design and what we'll see in a few weeks isn't going to look terribly different from what they have now. Hopefully the biggest changes will be below the hood to offer improved functionality. For example, third party Siri support is something developers have wanted for a while.

 

[Mopetar]

I wonder what "flat UI" means and how it can be applied to iOS 6?

It means what it sounds like. It's flat in that it doesn't hint at depth or make it seem as though UI elements exist on different levels. Consider the iOS home screen. Apps have a bit of drop shadow beneath them that gives an impression of the app floating above the background. The dock at the bottom is angled to produce a slight 3D feel.

The default Notes app is another good example. It has a very layered appearance and there are other aspects of the design that make it appear as though parts of the app are more in the foreground than others.

 

[MrX8503]

The flat UI may look like what you see in the poster below.

It looks like stacked apps to me with no textures.

Steve Jobs said that iOS was 5 years ahead of its time and for the most part that was true. Well 5years is come and gone and iOS is due up for a major overhaul. I believe this year is all about iOS rather than the iPhone's hardware.

 

[Eug]

I just hope it doesn't have anything like Windows 8's blandness. I'm not a big fan of the tiled flatness that is Windows 8 and which is overtaking many websites. Some look OK I suppose, but a lot just look overly plain.

 

[poofyhairguy]

My prediction: The addition of health apps and features.

 

[Red Storm]

It means what it sounds like. It's flat in that it doesn't hint at depth or make it seem as though UI elements exist on different levels. Consider the iOS home screen. Apps have a bit of drop shadow beneath them that gives an impression of the app floating above the background. The dock at the bottom is angled to produce a slight 3D feel.

The default Notes app is another good example. It has a very layered appearance and there are other aspects of the design that make it appear as though parts of the app are more in the foreground than others.

It's a shame too, I really like the look of some of their apps (notes, podcasts, etc.). A flat UI would look really dull, like Windows Phone.

 

[Gorgenapper]

Now that the CRTC has ruled that Canadians can cancel any contract after 2 years (starting Dec 2, 2013), and that phones MUST be unlocked after 90 days or if bought outright (goodbye to the scam that is the phone unlock service), my options for device upgrades has become more palatable.

Unless the next iPhone has a 4.5" screen (diagonal) at minimum....preferably 4.8".... I'm going to just wait until the antics and shenanigans surrounding the Galaxy S4 die down before trying to get a 32gb model that works in Canada.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The flat UI may look like what you see in the poster below.

It looks like stacked apps to me with no textures.

Steve Jobs said that iOS was 5 years ahead of its time and for the most part that was true. Well 5years is come and gone and iOS is due up for a major overhaul. I believe this year is all about iOS rather than the iPhone's hardware.

Maybe. For iOS' sake they need to vastly clean up the OS and offer a lot more this year. Otherwise I think this year's the year I can finally say "Yet another year of a grid of icons" to my iPhone friends and they probably will admit that their OS is pretty outdated now.

Don't get me wrong, apps are immensely functional, but at the same time UIs improve over time.

 

[Eug]

Now that the CRTC has ruled that Canadians can cancel any contract after 2 years (starting Dec 2, 2013), and that phones MUST be unlocked after 90 days or if bought outright (goodbye to the scam that is the phone unlock service), my options for device upgrades has become more palatable.

I was thinking the same thing, but we still don't know about the contract plan tiers. My current Fido plan isn't eligible for the iPhone. If in 2014 I have to pay $20 per month more and $450 up front to get an iPhone on a 2-year contract, I'd rather just pay the $699 for an unlocked phone.

Note though the phones don't have to be unlocked after 90 days. They have to be unlockable after 90 days, but the CRTC doesn't specify the price for the unlocking service. I suspect it'd still be $50 for Fido, and possibly more for others.

Unless the next iPhone has a 4.5" screen (diagonal) at minimum....preferably 4.8".... I'm going to just wait until the antics and shenanigans surrounding the Galaxy S4 die down before trying to get a 32gb model that works in Canada.

I want a 4.3" model. I have a 4.7" Android phone now, and I find it too wide.