Any iPhone 5s/6 rumors?

[T_Yamamoto]

Are there any rumors out there and a possible timeline as well?

 

[Rottie]

what rumors? I don't believe in rumors!

 

[bearxor]

The only rumor I've heard recently that I put any weight behind is another pixel doubling, something I've suspected will happen at some point, but I figured next year. And I don't expect it to come without a size increase of at least .3". That one started making the rounds today I believe.

Other than that, everyone is pretty much expecting the 5S to look pretty much like the 5, with th usual 'S' internal changes. The main going rumor is that Apple is looking to add a fingerprint scanner to the device, meaning Apple will undoubtedly relabel the 'S' again as Security (iPhone 3GS=Speed, iPhone 4S=Siri, iPhone 5S=Security) if it happens.

The real news about the future of iOS happens in two weeks at WWDC. I could, quite frankly, not care less what the next hardware device looks like. I think the 5 belongs firmly in the camp of 'fast enough' and, as much as I'd love a 450+ ppi screen this year, I'm not exactly crying out for it.

There does, however, need to be some serious work done on the OS under the hood. I don't care if iOS 7 looks EXACTLY like iOS 6 as long as they bring some overdue changes to the OS. The ability to change your default application. A Document Center that is accessible to every app and allows drag/drop from a desktop. The ability to have some applications tie in to the system and always run in the background for things like cloud syncing. A quick reply system for incoming iMessage/texts.

That's pretty much my wish list. If Apple delivers any of them, I'll be happy.

 

[foghorn67]

Only that iOS 7 will have a flat UI and designed by Jon Ivey. No more skeuomorphic crap.

 

[Bateluer]

The only rumor I've heard recently that I put any weight behind is another pixel doubling, something I've suspected will happen at some point, but I figured next year. And I don't expect it to come without a size increase of at least .3". That one started making the rounds today I believe.

Other than that, everyone is pretty much expecting the 5S to look pretty much like the 5, with th usual 'S' internal changes. The main going rumor is that Apple is looking to add a fingerprint scanner to the device, meaning Apple will undoubtedly relabel the 'S' again as Security (iPhone 3GS=Speed, iPhone 4S=Siri, iPhone 5S=Security) if it happens.

I like how the meaning of 'S' has been retconned. It meant nothing with the 3GS, the 4S dropped the G because they'd have been the target of too may lawsuits for calling it '4GS' when it had no 4G network, and calling the 5 the '5GS' would have done the same thing because there are active fifth generation networks.

Time table will be at the tail end of this summer tho, assuming they roughly follow their past releases.

 

[dagamer34]

There will not be another pixel doubling. Period. Pointless. And actively goes against Apple's own marketing definition of Retina. Would make them look like a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[shabby]

There will not be another pixel doubling. Period. Pointless. And actively goes against Apple's own marketing definition of Retina. Would make them look like a bunch of hypocrites.

Retina S... problem solved.

 

[swanysto]

I don't know if this is something I would like for them to add in the newest OS, or the fact I just can't figure it out. I would like them to allow me to position my cursor in the middle of a word. I am using an old iPhone 4S as a tool to help me learn Spanish. Every time I type something and misspell a word, it will only let me put the cursor at the beginning or end of that word, so I can't just change one letter. My wife can't get that to work on her 5 either.

 

[Megatomic]

I don't know if this is something I would like for them to add in the newest OS, or the fact I just can't figure it out. I would like them to allow me to position my cursor in the middle of a word. I am using an old iPhone 4S as a tool to help me learn Spanish. Every time I type something and misspell a word, it will only let me put the cursor at the beginning or end of that word, so I can't just change one letter. My wife can't get that to work on her 5 either.

I have been wondering if it was just me that had that problem, guess not. Yeah, I'd love for Apple to fix that.

 

[bearxor]

I don't know if this is something I would like for them to add in the newest OS, or the fact I just can't figure it out. I would like them to allow me to position my cursor in the middle of a word. I am using an old iPhone 4S as a tool to help me learn Spanish. Every time I type something and misspell a word, it will only let me put the cursor at the beginning or end of that word, so I can't just change one letter. My wife can't get that to work on her 5 either.

Tap once so the cursor shows up and the keyboard pops up. Then press and hold and you should be able to move the cursor wherever you want, even in the middle of words.

If the keyboard isn't popped up, then it only highlights the whole word.

I have been wondering if it was just me that had that problem, guess not. Yeah, I'd love for Apple to fix that.

Is there a specific app you guys are trying to do this in and it's not working?

There will not be another pixel doubling. Period. Pointless. And actively goes against Apple's own marketing definition of Retina. Would make them look like a bunch of hypocrites.

Not pointless. Doesn't go against Apple's own definition of retina. Just because you can't see pixels doesn't mean we cant make things sharper. Another pixel double has to happen at some point.

 

[poofyhairguy]

There will not be another pixel doubling. Period. Pointless. And actively goes against Apple's own marketing definition of Retina. Would make them look like a bunch of hypocrites.

Apple's marketing has boxed themselves in.

Can't increase the resolution because the point of retina marketing is "it can't possibly be better because that is the best your eyes can see."

They can't make a bigger screen or it won't work one-handed somehow.

Now Apple NEEDS the iWatch or something else to take the heat off the iPhone to innovate and compete, or otherwise it will be pulling a Samsung and relying on software tricks to sell the 5S.

 

[Megatomic]

Is there a specific app you guys are trying to do this in and it's not working?

Any app I type in. iMessage, Facebook, Email, Gmail. I'll try your suggestion.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

I hope iOS7 with their flat UI won't totally suck

 

[Fingolfin269]

If they would just announce a 4.3" screen and a more modern UI I would be all over it. But I doubt both will happen so will likely end up with the GS4 for me and the 5S for the gf.

 

[vi edit]

Can someone describe WTF a "Flat UI" is? How does an OS get much more flat than iOS currently is?

 

[bearxor]

Can someone describe WTF a "Flat UI" is? How does an OS get much more flat than iOS currently is?

Windows Phone?

 

[foghorn67]

Can someone describe WTF a "Flat UI" is? How does an OS get much more flat than iOS currently is?

http://gizmodo.com/what-is-flat-design-508963228

 

[Phokus]

Windows Phone?

I hope Microsoft sues Apple if it looks like they're basically copying them, lol

 

[JAG87]

Not pointless. Doesn't go against Apple's own definition of retina. Just because you can't see pixels doesn't mean we cant make things sharper. Another pixel double has to happen at some point.

No. Just plain wrong. There is a point of diminishing returns and we've already reached it, actually for a large demographic of baby boomers we are way past it already. Your eye just cannot resolve anything further, with the exception of few people with 20/15 vision perhaps. Increasing the resolution further would only serve to increase rendering workload, and decrease battery life, for a barely noticeable improvement. A resolution increase is only necessary if the screen size increases, just like it happened with the iPhone 5. You will not see Apple double the resolution again while keeping the size constant. Money is better spent improving the contrast ratio, color accuracy, and power consumption.

This is along the same lines as why digital audio hasn't doubled it's sampling rate over the years. Why have we stopped at 44.1 Khz? Why not 96 Khz, why not 192 Khz. The answer is because there's no need. It's 30 years later and it's still 44.1/48Khz. Money was instead diverted into figuring out how to make the bitrate as low as possible without damaging the quality.

 

[Mopetar]

There will not be another pixel doubling. Period. Pointless. And actively goes against Apple's own marketing definition of Retina. Would make them look like a bunch of hypocrites.

It will happen eventually, if for no other reason than no one is making ~300 ppi screens any longer. Also, as others have pointed out in the past, moving beyond 300 ppi is actually beneficial for many character-based languages (e.g. Chinese) where the added resolution does make a difference. There may be some other practical uses, but it's not really at the top of a list of priorities. If they had a choice between being able to double the pixels or half the power consumption over their current display, they'd probably head towards reducing the power consumption.

Whenever they do get around to (roughly) doubling the pixels, I don't think it will be a big deal. They'll just call it a Retina+ or something and no one will really care.

 

[Mopetar]

Can someone describe WTF a "Flat UI" is? How does an OS get much more flat than iOS currently is?

Flat design is about what it sounds like: it doesn't provide much of a sense of 3D. So it tends to leave out drop shadows, raised bevels, or other textures that confer a sense of height. It relies more on difference in color and layout to produce a clean, crisp design.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I think they just need to figure out scaling issues. Then they could do 720p @ 4.3" with a higher ppi than the current iPhone 5.

Perhaps 1080p is a good compromise? Works for 4-5" while providing beyond retina. Doubling is a bit excessive IMO. Do you *really* need a higher resolution on your 4" phone than your 27" desktop?

 

[vi edit]

Flat design is about what it sounds like: it doesn't provide much of a sense of 3D. So it tends to leave out drop shadows, raised bevels, or other textures that confer a sense of height. It relies more on difference in color and layout to produce a clean, crisp design.

Hmm, as Android continues to steal away iOS users because it's more powerful/flexible/configurable I'm not sure that's really the way to go.

Put me under the "Curious, but skeptical" category.

 

[Eug]

Yes, another pixel doubling (or quadrupling actually), would be absolutely pointless.

The pixel density is perfectly fine as it is. It IS essentially "Retina".

The only way for a significant increase in pixels to make sense is for the physical screen size to increase, but I'm not expecting that either in 2013.

 

[bearxor]

A resolution increase is only necessary if the screen size increases, just like it happened with the iPhone 5. You will not see Apple double the resolution again while keeping the size constant.

The only way for a significant increase in pixels to make sense is for the physical screen size to increase, but I'm not expecting that either in 2013.

So, if you guys go back to my original post and read what I originally wrote, which was:

The only rumor I've heard recently that I put any weight behind is another pixel doubling, something I've suspected will happen at some point, but I figured next year. And I don't expect it to come without a size increase of at least .3".

Then we're, in fact, in agreement. Correct?