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Any idea when the Athlon MP will be for sale?
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Abel007
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1.0 Gig and 1.2 Gig Athlon MPs for sale
Might wanna check pricewatch.com for better prices but bzboyz has both versions available. If this isn't what you meant..then disregard and flame on!🙂
Might wanna check pricewatch.com for better prices but bzboyz has both versions available. If this isn't what you meant..then disregard and flame on!🙂
Yeah they appear to be available now...I see no eta remark so I assume they are in stock...alittle of a premium though over regular same mhz chip...I know it is basically a mp glorified palomino but 10-15 precent boost shouldn't constitute a 100 percent price boost for 1ghz...
Are you going to buy two and put it in the tyan board? otherwise wait until cheaper boards arrive and maybe by then these prices will come down about 40-50 bucks like the rest of the chips over the last week....
Are you going to buy two and put it in the tyan board? otherwise wait until cheaper boards arrive and maybe by then these prices will come down about 40-50 bucks like the rest of the chips over the last week....
"Why even bother? it's only a 1.2gig.
IMHO it's better to just get a 1.4 Athlon & oc that one."
Because the Palamino @ 1.2ghz will almost match a Thunderbird @ 1.4ghz. The Hardware Prefetch feature will utilize some of the bandwith that Tbird DDR systems are not utilizing. Also, they have limited SSE capability, added TLB's and a cooler running core. Anand describes the improvements here to the TLB like this...
" The third improvement offered by the Athlon MP is a set of three enhancements to the processor's Translation Look-aside Buffers (TLBs). As taken from AMD?s tech docs on the Palomino core, the three TLB enhancements are:
1. The L1 Data TLB increases from 32 to 40 entries
2. Both the L2 Instruction TLB and L2 Data TLB use an exclusive architecture
3. TLB entries can be speculatively reloaded
As you will remember from our initial story on the Athlon 4 processor, the task of the TLB is to cache translated memory addresses. This translation process is necessary for the CPU to gain access to the data stored in main memory, and by caching the translated addresses, it becomes much quicker to find data in main memory.
The first improvement comes by increasing the number of entries in the L1 Data TLB. This increase allows for a greater hit rate (probability of finding what the CPU needs in the TLB) in the L1 Data TLB. You will also remember that the Pentium III has a L1 Data TLB with significantly more entries than even the new 40 entry TLB on the Athlon MP.
The next Athlon MP TLB enhancement comes by moving the L2 TLBs to an exclusive architecture. This means that data contained within the L1 TLBs is not duplicated in the L2 TLBs, which obviously saves space in the L2 TLBs meaning that they can be used to store even more translated addresses. The downside to this exclusive architecture is that there is a latency sacrifice that is made since the addresses aren't duplicated in the L2 TLBs.
The final improvement is that the TLB entries can be speculatively reloaded. This means that in the event that an address is not found in the TLB, the address can be loaded into the TLB before the instruction that requested the address is finished executing. On older Athlon cores, this was not possible, resulting in a bit of a performance hit in this situation."
Oh yeah...and like Adul said, we wanna overclock these babies!! 🙂
I would beware of BZBoys, they say they have them in stock on their website, but the only other two retailers that list them say they won't be in until the end of the month. I supect the early yields are lower than expected...
IMHO it's better to just get a 1.4 Athlon & oc that one."
Because the Palamino @ 1.2ghz will almost match a Thunderbird @ 1.4ghz. The Hardware Prefetch feature will utilize some of the bandwith that Tbird DDR systems are not utilizing. Also, they have limited SSE capability, added TLB's and a cooler running core. Anand describes the improvements here to the TLB like this...
" The third improvement offered by the Athlon MP is a set of three enhancements to the processor's Translation Look-aside Buffers (TLBs). As taken from AMD?s tech docs on the Palomino core, the three TLB enhancements are:
1. The L1 Data TLB increases from 32 to 40 entries
2. Both the L2 Instruction TLB and L2 Data TLB use an exclusive architecture
3. TLB entries can be speculatively reloaded
As you will remember from our initial story on the Athlon 4 processor, the task of the TLB is to cache translated memory addresses. This translation process is necessary for the CPU to gain access to the data stored in main memory, and by caching the translated addresses, it becomes much quicker to find data in main memory.
The first improvement comes by increasing the number of entries in the L1 Data TLB. This increase allows for a greater hit rate (probability of finding what the CPU needs in the TLB) in the L1 Data TLB. You will also remember that the Pentium III has a L1 Data TLB with significantly more entries than even the new 40 entry TLB on the Athlon MP.
The next Athlon MP TLB enhancement comes by moving the L2 TLBs to an exclusive architecture. This means that data contained within the L1 TLBs is not duplicated in the L2 TLBs, which obviously saves space in the L2 TLBs meaning that they can be used to store even more translated addresses. The downside to this exclusive architecture is that there is a latency sacrifice that is made since the addresses aren't duplicated in the L2 TLBs.
The final improvement is that the TLB entries can be speculatively reloaded. This means that in the event that an address is not found in the TLB, the address can be loaded into the TLB before the instruction that requested the address is finished executing. On older Athlon cores, this was not possible, resulting in a bit of a performance hit in this situation."
Oh yeah...and like Adul said, we wanna overclock these babies!! 🙂
I would beware of BZBoys, they say they have them in stock on their website, but the only other two retailers that list them say they won't be in until the end of the month. I supect the early yields are lower than expected...
Ok...I just found out Monarch Computers has these in stock (confirmed over phone) and this is the kicker...they are OEM chips, but they still come with a 3 Year warranty! You don't even have to buy a HSF.. Mine should be here in a couple days...🙂
NP..🙂 I've got a 8K7A and a 256mb stick of Crucial PC2100 here just waiting....🙂
BTW - I will be doing some testing with this CPU on both the Epox and also my KK266-R. I have a feeling the performance improvement will not be that as great in a SDRAM based system. The Hardware Prefetch is really meant to utilize the extra bandwith that DDR provides, and SDRAM probably will not use this feature to it's full potential. I am interested to see how cool these run...I will be using a MC462A anyway, but I am curious just how much cooler they will actually be...🙂
BTW - I will be doing some testing with this CPU on both the Epox and also my KK266-R. I have a feeling the performance improvement will not be that as great in a SDRAM based system. The Hardware Prefetch is really meant to utilize the extra bandwith that DDR provides, and SDRAM probably will not use this feature to it's full potential. I am interested to see how cool these run...I will be using a MC462A anyway, but I am curious just how much cooler they will actually be...🙂
Insane3D:
Bright minds think alike 😀 I've got 512MB of Crucial PC2100 and a shiny new EpoX 8K7A sitting here, waiting for arrival of my 1.2GHz Athlon MP. Hopefully tomorrow, but I won't hold my breath.
I'd imagine these will overclock easily to at least 1333 or 1400, but even at stock speed they are real close to a regular Thunderbird at 1400.
I wonder if there's any way to monitor the core temp through the on-chip diode?
Bright minds think alike 😀 I've got 512MB of Crucial PC2100 and a shiny new EpoX 8K7A sitting here, waiting for arrival of my 1.2GHz Athlon MP. Hopefully tomorrow, but I won't hold my breath.
I'd imagine these will overclock easily to at least 1333 or 1400, but even at stock speed they are real close to a regular Thunderbird at 1400.
I wonder if there's any way to monitor the core temp through the on-chip diode?
"I'd imagine these will overclock easily to at least 1333 or 1400, but even at stock speed they are real close to a regular Thunderbird at 1400."
Yeah, I think 1.4ghz should be easily attainable with these. The regular thunderbird 1.2ghz cores have been able to hit 1.4ghz pretty easily, and I think it's pretty likely a newer core will at least match the older ones.
"I wonder if there's any way to monitor the core temp through the on-chip diode?'
I was just talking with Mikewarrior today about that same issue. To the best of my knowledge, the board must support it. I am also pretty sure that the Tyan is the only one that does now, and I would imagine that any other MP boards would have it as well. I think all the rest of us will be stuck with that useless in-socket thermistor. I usually take my temps with a "Compunurse" thermal probe with LCD screen by sliding the probe in between the HSF and the CPU ceramic, with the tip just touching the core. This is just about as accurate as I can get. On that topic, my in socket thermistor on my KK266-R usually reads an average of 5c-10c lower than the temp is at the core.
Yeah, I think 1.4ghz should be easily attainable with these. The regular thunderbird 1.2ghz cores have been able to hit 1.4ghz pretty easily, and I think it's pretty likely a newer core will at least match the older ones.
"I wonder if there's any way to monitor the core temp through the on-chip diode?'
I was just talking with Mikewarrior today about that same issue. To the best of my knowledge, the board must support it. I am also pretty sure that the Tyan is the only one that does now, and I would imagine that any other MP boards would have it as well. I think all the rest of us will be stuck with that useless in-socket thermistor. I usually take my temps with a "Compunurse" thermal probe with LCD screen by sliding the probe in between the HSF and the CPU ceramic, with the tip just touching the core. This is just about as accurate as I can get. On that topic, my in socket thermistor on my KK266-R usually reads an average of 5c-10c lower than the temp is at the core.
Insane3D wrote:
"Yeah, I think 1.4ghz should be easily attainable with these. The regular thunderbird 1.2ghz cores have been able to hit 1.4ghz pretty easily, and I think it's pretty likely a newer core will at least match the older ones."
Man, I hope so 😀 I believe I've seen a few 1.2 MPs running at 1.4, but not sure.
"I was just talking with Mikewarrior today about that same issue. To the best of my knowledge, the board must support it. I am also pretty sure that the Tyan is the only one that does now, and I would imagine that any other MP boards would have it as well. I think all the rest of us will be stuck with that useless in-socket thermistor. I usually take my temps with a "Compunurse" thermal probe with LCD screen by sliding the probe in between the HSF and the CPU ceramic, with the tip just touching the core. This is just about as accurate as I can get. On that topic, my in socket thermistor on my KK266-R usually reads an average of 5c-10c lower than the temp is at the core."
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. I have the Tyan board high on my purchase list right now, but I don't like the idea of a $170 extra power supply. On the bright side, the board is rapidly dropping in price. About $100 lower now than at launch. I use a similiar method to get more accurate core temperature readings, and my thermistors on the KK266 seem to be accurate within 5C, plus or minus a couple C depending on the day of the week 🙂
"Yeah, I think 1.4ghz should be easily attainable with these. The regular thunderbird 1.2ghz cores have been able to hit 1.4ghz pretty easily, and I think it's pretty likely a newer core will at least match the older ones."
Man, I hope so 😀 I believe I've seen a few 1.2 MPs running at 1.4, but not sure.
"I was just talking with Mikewarrior today about that same issue. To the best of my knowledge, the board must support it. I am also pretty sure that the Tyan is the only one that does now, and I would imagine that any other MP boards would have it as well. I think all the rest of us will be stuck with that useless in-socket thermistor. I usually take my temps with a "Compunurse" thermal probe with LCD screen by sliding the probe in between the HSF and the CPU ceramic, with the tip just touching the core. This is just about as accurate as I can get. On that topic, my in socket thermistor on my KK266-R usually reads an average of 5c-10c lower than the temp is at the core."
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. I have the Tyan board high on my purchase list right now, but I don't like the idea of a $170 extra power supply. On the bright side, the board is rapidly dropping in price. About $100 lower now than at launch. I use a similiar method to get more accurate core temperature readings, and my thermistors on the KK266 seem to be accurate within 5C, plus or minus a couple C depending on the day of the week 🙂
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