Any IBM'ers get hit with the 15% pay cut?

cjvon

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A family member just had her pay cut by 15% due to a lawsuit involving overtime.

She is screwed for 401K matching and bonuses but because her job always involves OT she will make her base pay+ just in OT.

The other funny part is the day after IBM announced the cut another class action lawsuit was put in place over the 15% cut.

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TheoPetro

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from my understanding (read: limited understanding) IBM had set salaries higher than market value to compensate for overtime worked. From what I can tell it looks like a case of ignorant people (not stupid, uninformed) getting greedy.
 

cjvon

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Yet they are sitting on a ton of cash right now...

No wonder since IBM is the king of offshoring. It has bit them in the ass more than once as they've lost accounts due to the poor quality of offshore support.

/offshore "victim" out
 

SagaLore

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What were some of the details of that lawsuit? If you're salaried, how can you sue over overtime?
 

Ns1

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How does a 15% paycut justify a class action lawsuit?
 

cjvon

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Originally posted by: TheoPetro
from my understanding (read: limited understanding) IBM had set salaries higher than market value to compensate for overtime worked. From what I can tell it looks like a case of ignorant people (not stupid, uninformed) getting greedy.

IBM doesn't pay much higher than any other fortune 100 company, at least from what I could gather from co-workers and job postings. When I worked for them on salary I just figured the OT came with the picture.

I did sign up for the previous class action suit mainly because the paperwork came one week after my job was cut. I'm not big on the whole sue you/sue me thing but I was shocked when a check landed in my mailbox for over 3K.



 

ultimatebob

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I've heard about this story as well, and know a lot of IBM employees who live around here who are pissed about it.

The thing that most of stories seem to forget is that these folks will only get reimbursed for "Management Approved" overtime. Forget about padding your paycheck by working 60 hours a week... they're not going to let you do it. It also means that there a good chance that you won't get that 15% back if budgets get tight and they don't allow you to "work" OT.
 

cjvon

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
What were some of the details of that lawsuit? If you're salaried, how can you sue over overtime?

Good question and I really don't have the details. I think one of the thing that burned IBM is the payed some salary workers OT.
 

cjvon

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I've heard about this story as well, and know a lot of IBM employees who live around here who are pissed about it.

The thing that most of stories seem to forget is that these folks will only get reimbursed for "Management Approved" overtime. Forget about padding your paycheck by working 60 hours a week... they're not going to let you do it. It also means that there a good chance that you won't get that 15% back if budgets get tight and they don't allow you to "work" OT.

Her manager already told her she is to work as much OT as needed to complete her tasks. But you're right, many won't be allowed to work (or at least claim) OT.

 

KK

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I heard about this 15% cut from someone at IBM too. The way IBM treats their employees is retarded. I'm surprised they can keep people employed.
 

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Just a bit off topic but Banks in Canada do the exact same thing where they were not paying overtime eventhough you had work to do and they got slapped with lawsuits as well.

It isn't right at all and people who are salaried also deserve the overtime once you go over your X hours as well.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: KK
I heard about this 15% cut from someone at IBM too. The way IBM treats their employees is retarded. I'm surprised they can keep people employed.

Right now a lot of them are leaving or looking.

IBM is ok to work right after college or if you need a job for a year or so but if you stay longer you will see little to no raises, raises so small that after inflation you take a pay cut, and so on.
 

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My current employer has the expectation that a typical work-week will be between 45-55 hours. We're all salaried employees, which means no overtime. He has even expressed that he gets "annoyed" with people who bolt out the door after an 8 hour shift. Be that as it may, I'm fine with it, except my family comes first in ALL cases. As long as that's understood, we're good.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
My current employer has the expectation that a typical work-week will be between 45-55 hours. We're all salaried employees, which means no overtime. He has even expressed that he gets "annoyed" with people who bolt out the door after an 8 hour shift. Be that as it may, I'm fine with it, except my family comes first in ALL cases. As long as that's understood, we're good.

If you are exempt from overtime laws then they can do that. BUT if you job is not exempt then tell him to pay up.

Just because you are salary does not mean you do not get overtime.
 

Goosemaster

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IBM responds to overtime lawsuits with 15% salary cuts

Paul McDougall
(01/23/2008 12:39 PM EST)
URL: http://www.eetimes.com/showArt...ml?articleID=205917250

IBM in recent months has been hit with lawsuits filed on behalf of thousands of U.S. employees who claim the company illegally classified them as exempt from federal and state overtime statutes in order to avoid paying them extra whenever they worked more than 40 hours per week.

The good news for those workers is that IBM now plans to grant them so-called "non-exempt" status so they can collect overtime pay. The bad news: IBM will cut their base salaries by 15% to make up the difference, InformationWeek has learned.

The plan has been greeted with howls of protest from affected workers.

The payroll restructuring goes into effect February 16 and applies to about 8,000 IBM employees classified as technical services and IT specialists, according to internal IBM documents reviewed by InformationWeek and sources at the computer maker.

The plan calls for a "15% base salary adjustment down across all units with eligibility for overtime," the documents state. The move is a direct response to the employee lawsuits -- at least one of which has apparently been settled.

"To avoid protracted litigation in an area of law widely seen as ambiguous, IBM chose to settle the case -- and to conduct a detailed review of the jobs in question," the documents state.

The documents were used in an IBM management meeting held on December 23.

IBM also plans to lobby state and federal officials for changes to employment legislation that would allow high-tech companies to escape current overtime thresholds, according to the documents. "IBM believes aspects of the wage and hour laws have not kept pace with the realities of the modern workforce. The company will continue to press the government to update and clarify the law in this area," the documents state.

Under the salary adjustment, an IT specialist at IBM earning $80,000 per year would see his or her pay cut by $12,000 per year, the documents show.

But IBM states it won't save any money because workers will gain back lost salary through overtime pay.

The company also claims that maintaining the affected workers' current salaries while granting them overtime would result in "costs that exceed competitive levels."

Some IBM workers fear they'll end up working more -- for less money. "In one swoop, everything I've worked for for the last 7 years is gone. All the extra time and hours ... have done nothing but give me a 15% pay cut," one employee wrote on a job board maintained by an IBM workers' group called Alliance At IBM.

Indeed, IBM's internal documents show that one third of the employees who will see their pay cut are not currently working overtime. "Managers will be asked to distribute overtime equitably across their teams to the extent possible and practical," the documents state.

Some IBM workers said they are particularly upset that the cuts come just days after IBM announced quarterly and year-end financial results that exceeded financial analysts' expectations. Referring to IBM CEO Sam Palmisano, one employee wrote that "Sam promised Wall Street a good 2008 -- that will come at the expense of more U.S. workers."

In a lawsuit filed against IBM last July in California, three IBM salesmen claimed they regularly worked more than 40 hours per week but were never paid overtime and did not receive mandatory meal and rest breaks.

The suit was one of several, similar actions filed against the company in recent months. In one case, IBM said it would be liable for back pay of more than $5 million if the plaintiffs prevailed.

IBM officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment for this story.


ouch
 

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that is simple , they need to quit enmass, if they can do better somewhere else, they need to leave


good luck, companies around here have quit hiring and are "downsizing"
 

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What happens when your lawsuit is actually successful and the company you sued plays along to the extreme? This does. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Not to say what IBM did was right in terms of overtime, but the workers screwed themselves on this one (at least the ones that sued. The rest is just collateral damage.)
 

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: SunnyD
My current employer has the expectation that a typical work-week will be between 45-55 hours. We're all salaried employees, which means no overtime. He has even expressed that he gets "annoyed" with people who bolt out the door after an 8 hour shift. Be that as it may, I'm fine with it, except my family comes first in ALL cases. As long as that's understood, we're good.

If you are exempt from overtime laws then they can do that. BUT if you job is not exempt then tell him to pay up.

Just because you are salary does not mean you do not get overtime.

Same here, I'm salary but get paid OT as well. I don't get how a lot of people think a 45-55hr week is ok, break it down by hourly wage rather than your "salary" and see how much you are really making...
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: SunnyD
My current employer has the expectation that a typical work-week will be between 45-55 hours. We're all salaried employees, which means no overtime. He has even expressed that he gets "annoyed" with people who bolt out the door after an 8 hour shift. Be that as it may, I'm fine with it, except my family comes first in ALL cases. As long as that's understood, we're good.

If you are exempt from overtime laws then they can do that. BUT if you job is not exempt then tell him to pay up.

Just because you are salary does not mean you do not get overtime.

Same here, I'm salary but get paid OT as well. I don't get how a lot of people think a 45-55hr week is ok, break it down by hourly wage rather than your "salary" and see how much you are really making...

I have my reasons for accepting this... for the next year or two... oh, and I am Exempt. That still doesn't make it sit right...