Any hope for AGP?

[hop1hop2]

Does anyone know if ATI or Nvidia has any plans for more AGP cards?
Or
Is AGP officially dead and I'm gonna have to upgrade?

 

[Jeff7181]

AFAIK ATI hasn't said they won't make another high end AGP card... but nVidia has said they have no plans to, but will see what the market dictates. Considering that every new motherboard chipset is PCI Express, and PCI Express cards are selling just fine, I don't think the market is dictating that they will benefit by making another AGP card.

Personally, I'd like to see one, but I think now that we're seeing a refresh of the 7800 GPU and lower end 7800's and still no AGP 7800 there isn't much hope for an AGP 7800. The only hope for a high end AGP card would be from ATI... and since nVidia isn't forcing them to, I doubt they'll spend the money to make a high end AGP card available.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Honestly, I don't think it really matters. The only PCI-E cards available at this point that AGP can't match are the x1800 and 7800 series. Those are $4-500 range cards, if you're gonna buy a video card with that kind of pricetag I don't think it's gonna hurt you to make the move from your AGP board to one that supports PCI-E. It's all relative, I'd say AGP is dead as far as new/next gen cards are concerned, but don't think it's going to impact anyone.

 

[n7]

I originally thought ATI would release some AGP X1800 cards, & nVidia would follow.

I don't think that anymore.

AGP is done

 

[MustISO]

http://www.petitiononline.com/7800AGP/petition.html

 

[Hacp]

The 7800GT is around 325 if you look enough.

 

[kurt454]

If a person can upgrade to a high end video card, then switching motherboards should be no big deal. I bought a Chaintech VNF4 Ultra just to switch to PCIe. Sell your AGP board, or keep it as a backup with your older vid card.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: n7
I originally thought ATI would release some AGP X1800 cards, & nVidia would follow.

I don't think that anymore.

AGP is done

Why are you sad AGP is done? PCIE is better?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: n7
I originally thought ATI would release some AGP X1800 cards, & nVidia would follow.

I don't think that anymore.

AGP is done

Why are you sad AGP is done? PCIE is better?

Maybe he is sad that the people with AGP slots will have to spend more $$$ to upgrade their video card?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: n7
I originally thought ATI would release some AGP X1800 cards, & nVidia would follow.

I don't think that anymore.

AGP is done

Why are you sad AGP is done? PCIE is better?

Maybe he is sad that the people with AGP slots will have to spend more $$$ to upgrade their video card?

He should not be. It is the nature of computers. Technologies become obsolete, and you have to replace parts if you want to stay current.

My VESA motherboard was perfectly fine when I had to upgrade to PCI.

My PCI motherboard was perfectly fine when I had to upgrade to AGP.

It is the nature of things, and being sad about technology moving on and improving seems counter-productive to me.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: n7
I originally thought ATI would release some AGP X1800 cards, & nVidia would follow.

I don't think that anymore.

AGP is done

Why are you sad AGP is done? PCIE is better?

Maybe he is sad that the people with AGP slots will have to spend more $$$ to upgrade their video card?

He should not be. It is the nature of computers. Technologies become obsolete, and you have to replace parts if you want to stay current.

My VESA motherboard was perfectly fine when I had to upgrade to PCI.

My PCI motherboard was perfectly fine when I had to upgrade to AGP.

It is the nature of things, and being sad about technology moving on and improving seems counter-productive to me.

Well current AGP does not bottleneck the video card at all, and the only benefits of PCI-E right now are CHeapr to make/Sharing system memory/ dual video cards. ALso, when the transition from PCI to AGP occured, people still made PCI cards that weren't bottlenecked by the PCI slots. However, no new AGP cards are going to be made even though it doens't bottle videocards .

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Well current AGP does not bottleneck the video card at all, and the only benefits of PCI-E right now are CHeapr to make/Sharing system memory/ dual video cards. ALso, when the transition from PCI to AGP occured, people still made PCI cards that weren't bottlenecked by the PCI slots. However, no new AGP cards are going to be made even though it doens't bottle videocards .

Still just the nature of things. PCI showed no benefit over VESA, and AGP no benefit over PCI at first either.

Side note: The dual video cards you mention is the single largest advance for the high end gamer in many years as it allows you to have up to 90% more performance than the current highest single card performance. IMO this alone justifies making a bonfire with all the remaining AGP boards on the planet.

 

[JRW]

Just upgraded from a 6800GT AGP / P4 3.3ghz to a X2 4800+ / 1x 7800GTX PCIE and the differance in gaming performance is HUGE, Was well worth it and nice to know I can boost performance in the future by adding another 7800GTX.

 

[Paratus]

If there is a market at least one of the board makers will do it. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something

The simple fact is this topic shows up about once a day on just about any hardware site you'd care to visit. That might just indicate a market is there.

Don't expect anything from ATI until they get their X1000 supply under control.


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[conlan]

This reminds me of when the switch from PCI Video to AGP was taking place. Just as PCI was limited then, AGP is fast becoming the same. I finally gave in and made the switch, and although there isn't a performance advantage at present, this will soon change as AGP is bus-limited when compared to PCI-E, just as PCI was limited when compared to AGP. The VidCard companies can make much faster progress if they're not having to worry about adapting future releases to two different formats. (Remember the problems 3dfx had with the switch to AGP)

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: kurt454
If a person can upgrade to a high end video card, then switching motherboards should be no big deal. I bought a Chaintech VNF4 Ultra just to switch to PCIe. Sell your AGP board, or keep it as a backup with your older vid card.

You make it sound so easy and assume everyone has an amd chip, i gotta change my p4 cpu/mobo/ram and video card.

 

[apoppin]

Any hope for AGP?
Probably . . . ia am betting there will be an x1800xt in AGP by ati OR it's partners.

Do ATI or Nvidia care?
absolutely . . . if they perceive "demand"

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Any hope for AGP?
Probably . . . ia am betting there will be an x1800xt in AGP by ati OR it's partners.

Do ATI or Nvidia care?
absolutely . . . if they perceive "demand"

Exactly, demand = profit$

It might be a good move for ATI to release an X1800XT in AGP, it just might help them recapture some of the market.

 

[NoStateofMind]

All bout' da money!

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: JRW
Just upgraded from a 6800GT AGP / P4 3.3ghz to a X2 4800+ / 1x 7800GTX PCIE and the differance in gaming performance is HUGE, Was well worth it and nice to know I can boost performance in the future by adding another 7800GTX.

Completely irrelevant. The boost in performance wasnt from the slot you plugged your card into.:roll:

 

[nRollo]

You guys are forgetting the most important aspect of this-

nVidia and ATI make motherboard chipsets as well. It serves their financial interests to force you to upgrade to PCIE.

Sooner or later you'll buy PCIE, and by witholding AGP they can increase the odds it's sooner. I doubt either company cares if they ever sell another AGP board again.

 

[solofly]

People, mobos are cheap, much cheaper than some other components. I don't understand people that can't let go of AGP. You wanna high end 400+ dollar cards but you can't scoop up ~100 bucks for a compatible mobo?

PS
I didn't vote.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The high-end will go away for good, but they will likely support AGP for some time to come. For precedence, AGP replaced PCI long ago, yet there's a 6200 available in PCI southpawuni's link*

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: solofly
People, mobos are cheap, much cheaper than some other components. I don't understand people that can't let go of AGP. You wanna a high end 400+ dollar cards but you can't scoop up ~100 bucks for a compatible mobo?

PS
I didn't vote.

i don't NEED to UPgfrade my computer just for a PCIe slot . . . all i want is the damn videocard . . . NOT a new CPU, new RAM and a MB not to mention reinstalling my OS and apps . . . for what?
identical performance :Q

:roll:

it MAY be in ATI's best interest to cater to this [dying] market . . . as rollo said, we will eventually upgrade . . . THEN they can sell me a new PCIe r600 and make even MORE money . . . by then the rest of my rig will benefit even more.

 

[Paratus]

DAPUNISHER
I was going to point out the same thing!

Maybe I'll just have to wait for the 7 series PCI card.


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