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Any Geforce 6100 boards that support Turion?

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BlingBlingArsch

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Looking to build a mAtx rig and already have a Turion ML-37 waiting for a nice desktop board with decent oc abilities. I may add a 6800gs pcie later. Any ideas?
 
They all do... Only it probably won't display the core correctly or so... An overclocker's dream is the Biostar TForce6100-939, often hitting over 300MHz...
 
What makes u so confident that they all do..i wont jump into ice cold water.

Turion is S754 btw.

The Biostar tforce6100-754 is an impressive board, but since a user over at hardocp didnt manage to run his Turion on a Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 which should be very similiar to the tforce models, its a bit unlikely that any Biostar will support Turion out of the box. I send emails to biostar and MSI, and Asrock too. Asrock already replied that none of their boards will support Turion models 🙁

thx anyway.
 
Did a quick search on yahoo. "Turion motherboard support" lists a beta bios for Dfi nf3 motherboard that's never been tested. Dfi Nf3 is agp only.
 
See above for why - supporting mobile processors has become highly pointless on socket-754, since the plain normal desktop processors aren't actually doing any worse in thermals.
 
Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
What makes u so confident that they all do..i wont jump into ice cold water.

Turion is S754 btw.

The Biostar tforce6100-754 is an impressive board, but since a user over at hardocp didnt manage to run his Turion on a Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 which should be very similiar to the tforce models, its a bit unlikely that any Biostar will support Turion out of the box. I send emails to biostar and MSI, and Asrock too. Asrock already replied that none of their boards will support Turion models 🙁

thx anyway.
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Ow yeah, you're completely right... 🙂 Well, IMO (and just like Opty's) the Turion is nothing more than a standard S754 CPU... So it will work, but not correctly (maybe the speed is wrong and needs manual adjustment, the name of it)...

It was the same case with the Athlon XP-M... Those ran off a normal mobo most of the time, but they were officially not supported I thought... What do you think they'll say when you phone and ask if you can get info about "if this super overclockable portable processor will work in my board, so I can overclock the hell out of it..."

Overclocking's still not a feature many mobo manufactirers are bragging about, except DFI (therefore I'm not surprised of what o1die came up with), EPoX (which has mellowed a bit as well) and Abit (but the latter two aren't like DFI)... The rest makes, or doesn't make, sure they have some options in the BIOS and that's it...

You'll have to look around on the web for user experiences... A pity, because the Biostar seemed pretty ideal... 🙁

EDIT: Intel made sure their Pentium M has another socket, so it's nearly impossible to let it run on desktop boards... What do you think...? Their Pentium M's can outperform their EE's...
 
Unlike on Intel, AMD's mobile, budget, desktop and server processors share the same core and die (other than for cache size). Making more socket platforms then technically useful would have been nonsense.

On socket-A, the "mobile" processors actually did have a technology advantage over the standard desktop ones. On S754, this just isn't the case anymore.
 
Originally posted by: Peter
Unlike on Intel, AMD's mobile, budget, desktop and server processors share the same core and die (other than for cache size). Making more socket platforms then technically useful would have been nonsense.

On socket-A, the "mobile" processors actually did have a technology advantage over the standard desktop ones. On S754, this just isn't the case anymore.
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So you agree that, in theory, it should work on practically every mobo out there? 🙂

 
He didn't agree to anything. He said that there are no technical advantages to using a mobile S754 chip over the current desktop offerings. There could still be technical differences that cause the chip to not work in a desktop board.

Referring to socket A, the technical advantage was unlocked multiplier.
 
That's exactly NOT what I said, Wentelteefje

(1) On socket-754, all but the lowest speed grade Semprons are Cool&Quiet enabled anyhow, desktop or mobile, and the desktop processors aren't mentionably higher in power consumption than Turions either.

(2) BIOSes must explicitly support each CPU flavor.

(3) Turions are lidless, while desktop processors do have a heat spreader. Normal cooling solutions won't fit.

Bring these three facts together, and you'll understand why so few desktop mainboards bother support Turions at all. It's extra work in software and hardware, and the benefit is next to zero.
 
After hours of crwaling through web forums i can offer (for those who are interested in crazy Turion@desktop stuff :]] a list of mainboards that will work officially and/or via a bios update:
AOpen vK8T800a-LF - http://global.aopen.com.tw/products/mb/vK8T800a-LF.htm
MSI K8MM-V - http://www.msi-technology.de/produkte/main_idx_view.php?Prod_id=489&Seite=BIOS
MSI K8MM3-V - http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/...detail.php?UID=690&NAME=MS-7181&kind=1
ECS K8M800-M2 - http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/P...1&LanID=0&DetailID=455&DetailName=BIOS
DFI Lanparty UT 250gb - http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_produc...ODUCT_ID=2840&CATEGORY_TYPE=MB&SITE=US
Asus K8V - http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=14&l3=67&model=236&modelmenu=1


But the search continues... i want a geforce 6100 mATX board with full turion support.

This is what i found via google so far: http://www.kakaku.com/akiba/picture/200512/20051217newpro_mother_K8NGM-V_04.htm
looks promising
🙂
 
Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
After hours of crwaling through web forums...

But the search continues...
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IMO you are wasting your time. BITD people were trying to use mobile and DTR socket 754 A64 CPUs because it could provide a distinct improvement in overclockability and temperatures over the original 130nm cores. The current Turions don't have that big an advantage over the current Semprons and Venice cores. Your best bet would be to get an Opteron and Tforce6100-939. Benefits over the Turion would be better performance, known overclockability, compatibility. Benefits of the Turion over the Opteron would be... being able to say you are using a notebook CPU in a desktop. Oh yeah, BTW I've been running mobile Celerons, mobile P4s and mobile Athlon XPs for a while now along with everyone else. Old school.
 
Zap, i understand ur point and basically Peter already said that one better avoids Turion@desktop like the plague and i would agree, but...thing is i bought a ML-37 already from a friend. Her notebook went dead and she offered me the CPU for 60$. I didnt hesitate a second 😉 Now its my job or should i say grunt work to make the best out of it and find a nice mAtx mobo. And the problems iam facing will convince anybody who reads this thread to avoid Turions except for their notebooks.

a bit OT: there are low voltage Semprons, (Roma, Sonora and Dublin) That would be the best way if someone wants to build a lowpower htpc..but it seems like AMD dont like selling them through the retail channel? I cant find a single shop that has them in stock.

btt, any ideas or info on mATX boards that will support Turion would be greatly appreciated.
 
Sorry 'bout the misunderstanding Peter... This is what I found at GamePC...

"Turion64 processors run off the same Socket-754 form factor of AMD's first generation desktop Athlon64 processors, which also their current form factor for Mobile Athlon64 processors. This means that Turion64 processors will be able to drop into the majority of Socket-754 desktop and notebook motherboard without any hassle. However, the motherboard must have a BIOS which supports E-Stepping Athlon64 / Turion64 processors, and the motherboard must support the lower core voltage levels of the Turion64 processors. Many motherboard makers like Asus and DFI have already updated many of their BIOS's to support E-Stepping processors, so it's entirely possible to use Turion64 processors on the desktop today. In fact, all of our testing is done with an off-the-shelf nForce3 250GB Socket-754 motherboard which has been out for months.

If you plan on using the Turion64 processor in desktop environment for a quiet desktop / gaming system, keep in mind that all Socket-754 coolers will not work on the processor. As you've likely noticed, the Turion64 comes in a "lidless" form factor, meaning there is no heat spreader attached. This means that the Turion64 is slightly shorter compared to Athlon64 processors, but more importantly, the chip is more fragile and can crack or chip under heightened stress, similar to the Athlon XP of yesteryear. Here at GamePC, we've found that Zalman 7000-series coolers, which allow you to manually adjust the stress level on the core work very well on Turion64 processors. We would not recommend the use of AMD?s stock Athlon64 coolers on Turion64s."

The Turions are tweaked Revision E Hammer cores, so it seems, so you'd have to find a board that supports those, and it should work (theoretically)... Maybe you read about this before, sorry then...
 
The quote confirms exactly what I said. Desktop heatsinks don't fit, BIOS must support the chip explicitly, and above all, it's the same silicon anyway. All the hassle for nothing.
 
I'd rather pass it on to someone who has a notebook and wants a CPU upgrade ... and then spend the money on a desktop Venice.
 
The second one looks promising... However, Peter's advice about changing it for a S939 CPU is something to consider as well... You can probably ask quite some money for that Turion... The Biostar TForce6100-939 would be the obvious (and guaranteed) choice then...
 
There is Venice for socket 754, for about $35 less than socket 939, plus the socket 754 Tforce board is about $10 less. Just thought I'd point that out. 😛
 
I know, but S754 will probably not be around too long anymore 🙁... BTW no Dual Core upgrade possibility for S754 as well...

BTW with the money he can make by selling that Turion, I bet you'll be able to buy the S939 version... 😛
 
who the hell needs dualcore 😉
i want a desktop system with the power consumption of a notebook.
i will wait for MSIs reply to my email and if they confirm that their boards support Turion ill make u all proud 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
I know, but S754 will probably not be around too long anymore 🙁... BTW no Dual Core upgrade possibility for S754 as well...
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If a new CPU just came out for socket 754 (Venice) and there may be a few new ones (higher Semprons) then why won't it be around too long anymore? Dual core will probably never make it to s754, but most current software does not benefit, plus it may take a while for future software to take a big hit from single core.
 
Hello,

I don't know what ASRock's official position is about supporting the Turion but I have ASRock's NVidia 6100 board. The BIOS that came with the board (it was purchased about 3-4 weeks ago) recognized my Turion (MT-32) but the voltage it set was 1.35 V instead of 1.20 V. Also, I couldn't manage to set either the multiplier or the voltage for the CPU manually. However, Linux (Kubuntu 5.10--I don't use Windows) seemed to use Powernow fine but with the maximum voltage of 1.3V at 1800MHz and 1.00V at 800MHZ.

Yesterday I flashed the BIOS to the most recent version, 1.60 (out 01/13/2006). The board now recognizes the MT-32 and sets the voltage at 1.25V. I can now manually set the voltage (maximum of 1.25V) and multiplier for the CPU. Linux now says the system runs at 1.20V at 1800MHz and 0.90V at 800Mhz (these values are correct for the MT-32).

So it seems as if the board correctly runs the MT-32.

Regards,

Eusebio
 
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