Any doctors or medical students in here? Is nodoz dangerous or bad for your health?

nx02nx02

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I am curious about the over the counter pills called, nodoz. They seem to work good for keeping you awake
when you need it but are they dangerous? Are they bad for your health if you take them regularly?
I cant remember for sure but I seem to remember a long time ago I heard these are bad for your heart.
Is this true? What about other simular pills like those yellow jackets or whatever? Are they dangerous and bad for your health.

Thanks in advance I appreciate any information.
 

pyonir

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I used to take them once in a while and i turned oumnvvmnmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Sorry....passed out on the keyboard. I hate when that happens. I turned out ok!
 

kami333

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Same thing as drinking 2 or 3 cups of coffee, something that many people do every day.

I had to quite taking them though, it got to the point where I was taking 3 of them to have any effect.
 

DrNoobie

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It's fine, as long as you don't take too much of it. The only thing wrong with caffeine right now is the possibility that it increases homocysteine levels, which can increase your risk for heart disease, but that is still under research and there are no hard facts to prove it.

10g is the lethal dose, just make sure you don't take that much :p (That's about 80 cups of coffee ;))
 

nx02nx02

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Hmmm. Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that there are other active ingrediants in it. Such as ephedrine and others. Is this wrong. I know caffeine isn't too dangerous but I thought there was alot of other stuff in it too.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: axelfox
"Trucker's Choice" :)

LOL! I saw a tub of that stuff on a gas station counter the other day. It had like 200mg of Ephedrine in it along with 200mg of caffeine.

 

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Well, duh, of course they're bad for you. They're overriding your body's natural attempts to get some rest. Aside from the lack of rest/sleep you'll be getting, yes I think many/most of them are some combination of caffiene and ephedra (or equivalent) which isn't exactly good for you.

Taking them "regularly" is certainly not a bright idea, although I'm sure many people have gone through college this way.
 

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Yellow Jackets and other similar energy pills contain both ephedra alkaloids and caffeine, as well as some other arguably inert herbs. Effects are very noticeable compared to caffeine alone. You build up a tolerance to them pretty quickly. Ephedra in and of itself isn't "bad", although it's a powerful drug and because people are stupid, it's now illegal.

Nodoz is just caffeine as the others have said. :)
 

DBL

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Not nearly as bad for you compared to falling asleep at the wheel on a long boring drive to/from college
 

DJFuji

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: axelfox
"Trucker's Choice" :)

LOL! I saw a tub of that stuff on a gas station counter the other day. It had like 200mg of Ephedrine in it along with 200mg of caffeine.

200mg of ephedrine?? Isn't standard ECA stack set to 20mg ephedrine? 200 seems like it would kill you...
 

kermalou

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it's funny, if you take it for the first time the night before an exam, it doens't only keep you awake it makes your ass jittery, really jittery.
then you take it again and are fine, but you must, MUST, take your exam on the stuff as well.

might as well take Speed though
 

glen

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You are better off with Provigil (modafinil is its generic name), and you can get it off the web without a prescription.
No jitters, etc.. it is a narcolepsy drug.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: axelfox
"Trucker's Choice" :)

LOL! I saw a tub of that stuff on a gas station counter the other day. It had like 200mg of Ephedrine in it along with 200mg of caffeine.

200mg of ephedrine?? Isn't standard ECA stack set to 20mg ephedrine? 200 seems like it would kill you...

200mg wouldn't come close to killing you.
 

glen

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Modafinil
Modafinil (Provigil, Alertec) is a novel drug that promotes long-lasting wakefulness. Before treatment, patients in one study were able to stay awake only an average of six minutes out of twenty. After taking the medication, awake time increased to 12 to 14 minutes and some patients had normal wake times. In another study, modafinil increased the ability to stay awake by 50% and reduced the number of involuntary sleep episodes by about 25%.

Some of its additional benefits include what it does not do:

Modafinil does not appear to affect natural hormones important in sleep, including cortisol (the major stress hormone), melatonin, and growth hormone. Therefore, studies are reporting that it does not interfere with voluntary naps during the day or with the quantity or quality of nighttime sleep.


It does not cause anxiety to the degree that the standard stimulants do.


Patients do not appear to have a rebound effect as stimulants do. In other words, people who take do not usually "crash" when the drug wears off.


It has less potential for abuse than the stimulants. In one trial, no one developed dependence on the drug after up to nine weeks of daily use.
Modafinil does not appear to reduce cataplexy. Some evidence suggests that taking it along with Ritalin, which may help prevent cataplexy attacks, does not appear to cause any harmful interactions. It should be noted, however, that long-term safety and effectiveness of modafinil is not yet known. In one study, modafinil appeared safe for at least 16 weeks of use, but longer studies are needed. Although most current research suggests that modafinil poses less of a risk for abuse than many of the stimulants used for narcolepsy, some evidence suggests that it might have stimulant properties that could lead to abuse.

Side Effects. Side effects include the following:

Headache (the most commonly reported side effect).


Nausea.


Diarrhea.


Dry mouth.


Nasal and throat congestion.


Nervousness.


Dizziness.


Possible interference with hormonal methods of birth control, including the Pill. (Women of childbearing age who take modafinil should switch to another form of birth control.)
It should be noted that patients who are switching from another agent to modafinil must discuss the process carefully with their physicians. Withdrawal symptoms from stimulants while switching over may be particularly difficult.
 

glen

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Expanded indications of Provigil for those with excessive sleepiness associated with OSAHS and SWSD

January 27, 2004


ST. LOUIS (MD Consult) - On January 26, 2004, Cephalon Inc. announced it had received approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to market Provigil (modafinil) [C-IV] Tablets to improve wakefulness in patients with excessive sleepiness associated with obstructive sleep apnea/hypopnea syndrome (OSAHS) and shift work sleep disorder (SWSD). Originally approved in 1998, Provigil was the first wake-promoting agent approved in the United States for improving wakefulness in patients with narcolepsy. For patients with OSAHS, Provigil is approved as an adjunct to standard treatment for the underlying airway obstruction.

"The approval of Provigil for these conditions provides clinicians with a therapeutic option to treat the debilitating excessive sleepiness that affects the daily lives of patients with obstructive sleep apnea/hypopnea syndrome and shift work sleep disorder," said Paul Blake, MB, FRCP, Senior Vice President of Clinical Research and Regulatory Affairs at West Chester, Pennsylvania?based Cephalon.

Joseph Lieberman, MD, MPH, Professor of Family Medicine, Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, added, "Currently, many patients suffer needlessly from excessive sleepiness because they simply don't recognize it as a symptom of a medical condition and therefore don't talk to their doctors about it. Primary care physicians are in a position to identify excessive sleepiness and initiate appropriate diagnosis and care of their patients, including educating them about the dangers of engaging in certain activities while impaired by excessive sleepiness. Now with the approval of Provigil, we have a new treatment option for our patients?when they have been appropriately diagnosed and treatment of their underlying condition does not resolve their excessive sleepiness."

Provigil promotes wakefulness in preclinical studies without causing generalized stimulation in the brain. The drug is believed to work selectively through the sleep/wake centers to activate the cortex of the brain. Activation of the cortex is essential for wakefulness. The exact mechanism of action of Provigil is not known.

The safety of Provigil has been demonstrated in clinical trials enrolling more than 3,500 patients. In studies of OSAHS and SWSD, the overall safety profile of Provigil was demonstrated to be consistent with the profile already established in patients with narcolepsy.

Provigil has been shown to have no effect on a patient's ability to sleep when sleep is desired. Studies have demonstrated that the sleep of patients taking Provigil was of similar quality and quantity to individuals taking placebo. In clinical trials, Provigil was well tolerated, with an incidence of adverse events generally comparable to placebo. Most adverse events were mild to moderate. The most frequently reported adverse events were headache, nausea, nervousness, diarrhea, anxiety, dizziness, back pain, stuffy nose, trouble sleeping, and upset stomach.

Excessive sleepiness is the primary symptom?and often the most debilitating feature?associated with OSAHS, SWSD, and narcolepsy. Excessive sleepiness is defined as difficulty in maintaining wakefulness and an increased likelihood of falling asleep in inappropriate situations.

In OSAHS, sleep disruption is most commonly caused by airway obstruction, usually the relaxation and collapse of the soft tissue in the back of the throat during sleep. Symptoms of OSAHS may include restless sleep, obesity, irritability, forgetfulness, morning headaches, loss of energy, trouble concentrating, mood or behavior changes, anxiety or depression, falling asleep during the day (e.g., at work, watching TV), and loud, heavy snoring (often interrupted by silence and then gasps). According to the National Institutes of Health, approximately 12 million Americans suffer from OSAHS, and the disorder is twice as common in men as in women.

Continuous positive airway pressure, a medical device that blows air through the nasal passage, is the primary treatment for OSAHS. Despite adequate regular use of continuous positive airway pressure, many patients continue to experience excessive sleepiness. For these patients, Provigil may be an appropriate adjunctive treatment.

SWSD is defined as a persistent or recurrent pattern of sleep disruption leading to excessive sleepiness or insomnia that is due to a mismatch between the sleep-wake schedule required by a person's environment and his or her circadian sleep-wake pattern. Characterized by extreme sleepiness, insomnia, headaches, and difficulty concentrating, SWSD can affect those who frequently rotate shifts or work at night. Six million people in the United States work permanent or rotating night shifts and therefore are at risk for SWSD.

Provigil is supplied as oral tablets containing either 100 or 200 mg of modafinil. The recommended dose of Provigil is 200 mg once daily. For patients with narcolepsy and OSAHS, Provigil should be taken as a single dose in the morning. Patients with SWSD should take Provigil approximately 1 hour before the start of their work shifts
 

glen

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Modafinil, Oral
What are other names for this medicine?
Type of medicine: stimulant

Generic and brand names: modafinil, oral; Provigil

What is this medicine used for?
This medicine is taken by mouth to treat narcolepsy (excessive daytime sleepiness).

What should my health care provider know before I take this medicine?
Before taking this medicine, tell your health care provider if you have ever had:

heart problems or a heart attack
high blood pressure
kidney disease
liver disease
mental illness
problems with drug abuse.
Older adults, and those with certain liver problems or kidney disease may need to take less than the usual dosage. Talk to your health care provider about your dosage.

Females of childbearing age: Tell your health care provider if you are pregnant or intend to become pregnant while taking this medicine. Tell your health care provider if you are breast-feeding. Also, birth control pills and implants may be less effective while you are taking this medicine and for 1 month after you stop taking it. Talk to your health care provider if you need birth control.

How do I use it?
Take this medicine regularly every day. Do not take more than your health care provider prescribes.

If you miss a dose, take it as soon as you remember unless it is almost time for the next scheduled dose. In that case, skip the missed dose and take the next one as directed. Do not take double doses. If you are not sure of what to do if you miss a dose, or if you miss more than one dose, contact your health care provider.

What should I watch out for?
Do not drink alcohol while you are taking this medicine. Discuss this with your health care provider.

This medicine may make you dizzy. Do not drive or operate machinery unless you are fully alert.

Do not take any other prescription or nonprescription products unless your health care provider approves.

What are the possible side effects?
Along with its needed effects, your medicine may cause some unwanted side effects. Some side effects may be very serious. Some side effects may go away as your body adjusts to the medicine. Tell your health care provider if you have any side effects that continue or get worse.

Serious (report these to your health care provider right away): Allergic reaction (hives; itching; rash; trouble breathing; tightness in your chest; swelling of your lips, tongue, and throat).

Other: Headache, nausea, runny nose, nervousness, diarrhea, dry mouth, dizziness, loss of appetite, increased blood pressure.

What products might interact with this medicine?
When you take this medicine with other medicines, it can change the way this or any of the other medicines work. Nonprescription medicines, vitamins, natural remedies, and certain foods may also interact. Using these products together might cause harmful side effects. Talk to your health care provider if you are taking:

anticonvulsants such as carbamazepine (Tegretol) and phenytoin (Dilantin)
antifungals such as itraconazole (Sporanox) and ketoconazole (Nizoral)
birth control pills, shots, and implants (talk to your health care provider if you need birth control)
cyclosporine (Sandimmune, Neoral)
methylphenidate (Ritalin)
MAO inhibitor antidepressants such as phenelzine (Nardil), tranylcypromine (Parnate), and isocarboxazid (Marplan) (Do not take an MAO inhibitor and this medicine within 14 days of each other.)
phenobarbital
rifampin (Rifadin, Rimactane)
tricyclic antidepressants such as clomipramine (Anafranil) and desipramine (Norpramin, Pertofrane)
warfarin (Coumadin).
Do not drink alcohol while you are taking this medicine.

Keep a list of all your medicines (prescription, nonprescription, supplements, natural remedies, and vitamins) with you. Be sure that you tell all health care providers who treat you about all the products you are taking.


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Ask your pharmacist for the best way to dispose of outdated medicine or medicine you have not used. Do not throw medicine in the trash.

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Do not share medicines with other people.
 

DJFuji

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: axelfox
"Trucker's Choice" :)

LOL! I saw a tub of that stuff on a gas station counter the other day. It had like 200mg of Ephedrine in it along with 200mg of caffeine.

200mg of ephedrine?? Isn't standard ECA stack set to 20mg ephedrine? 200 seems like it would kill you...

200mg wouldn't come close to killing you.

Maybe not, but taking 10X the recommended daily dosage is not a good idea in my book...

That's like taking 20 aspirins instead of 2 because you have a headache....

Of course, the "200mg" of ephedrine could have been standardized to 10% or so, which would put it right in the ballpark...
 

glen

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Why would anyone take something besides modafanil to stay awake now that it is on the market?
That is like debating whether to ride a horse or a bicycle, when you can drive a BMW.
 

Siddhartha

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One tab has about the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee. Make sure you have something in your stomach when you take them.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: glen
Why would anyone take something besides modafanil to stay awake now that it is on the market?
That is like debating whether to ride a horse or a bicycle, when you can drive a BMW.

Because adderall is 100x better?
 

Kanalua

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I take Altovis everyday....

100 mg of caffice, and some othre crap...


got the free 28 day trial pack...
 

glen

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: glen
Why would anyone take something besides modafanil to stay awake now that it is on the market?
That is like debating whether to ride a horse or a bicycle, when you can drive a BMW.

Because adderall is 100x better?


Adderal is slightly euphoric sometimes when you first take it.
I can make you crash coming off of it.
It is worse for your heart.
It is fairly addictive.
It will increase you anxiety.



Modafinil basically just keeps you awake as long as you want but you can sleep on it if you want.
it is a hell of a lot easier to get.
It is not as much fun or a party drug as adderal, but for staying awake nothing can tough it.
How do I know?
I am in Medical School
I Have access to the latest literature.
I have a bottle of both sitting in my room.
I have used both.